Pointless to play this game vs Mage/Ocean/Mountain if it stays as it is. Need hotfix

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Vlad is trash and so is taliyah

Taliyah LITERALLY has a nerf on the PBE. In a game where the devs are insistent on super power-creeping the entire game, Taliyah is receiving a NERF.

I don't know where this backwards idea that a champion with hard CC, displacement & burst damage in a trait with twincasting is somehow "trash." It truly boggles the mind.

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I'm gold 4 just because I don't play enough to care about TFT rank but that's not even remotely accurate

Veigar has to be a tier higher usually 3star by end game to be relevant

Brand takes forever to cast

Vlad is trash and so is taliyah

Malphites good but you have to also have taliyah lmao

If you want to counter it run poison or a soraka based 6light or some on hit silence

Stop being bad

6light was op AF raka could borderline solo a mage comp and then toast had to make his damn YouTube video and say after I saw it riot nerfs it if anything needs to be tuned down still it's how braindead and unintuitive glacial is or predator

Also they need to buff Druid and Summoner and really figure out Why the hell maokai and ivern aren't wardens and why neeko isn't a mage

For some one that doesn't invest or care then to proclaim accuracy is kinda funny. Vlad isn't garbage and with a few items can carry early I see Him three star'd more than quite a few of the other 1 star units, Taliya is not only good CC if 2* but Gives mountain buff with Malpite which if made a mage is pretty strong. Plus that shield will make or break a few fights specially if You get it early. "Malphites good but you have to also have taliyah lmao" Since you want Taliyah for both Mage 3 and CC the fact she contributes to Mountain is just more reasons to have her in the comp.
Light defiantly felt the nerf last patch and Yes soraka is annoying as all hell, She can only CC one area at a time and most People aren't going to stack every mage in a circular pattern for your soraka to hit all 6 at once. Also if she's targeted by one of the many RNG ults being lobbed then you're going to find her not doing very much.

Yes Mages are Item reliant, Yes Poison can counter them but it tends to Pop off later as Singed 2* is important and often You'll fall top 4 if you can successfully pull this build off. Woodland/Druid can make an easy transition into mages while You're rolling.

Druids been buffed and a solid Early Start 2* Neko, Maokai, Ivern get you threw the first few rounds. I've only had it fail me a handful of times. Druids not really meant to go into late game Even with 6 woodland You got to have 3*'d at least 2 of the druids.

I see a lot of shadow/inferno/summoners. Electric/summoners is anoying though hard to pull off, assassin/summoner/desserts been strong the blow to BM with the spat nerf is about all that hurt it(less versatility). Mage/Druid/Woodland would be Op , and Warden/druid/Woodland would be just as Bad warden buff specially with the new 999% armor with the natural HP regen that's like free warmogs on 2 units. Personally it be interesting to see what the affect would be but I also see it just re-enforcing Ocean Mountain Mage as most players I see run the comp start Woodland/Druid.

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2 Ocean = +10 mana for each 4 seconds. Almost nothing.

6 Mages + 4 Ocean is OP only if Brand has the rights items (at least one seraph). They need spatula to have an free slot for 4-5 tier tank.

There're some counters things: 2 Crystal, dragon claw, 4 mystic, 3 Poison (hard to get 2 stars Singed).

Yes if Poison takes off they can beat ocean mage but even then Most times I see this comp take at least top 3. Seraph's and a hat or morelo's is all you really need for Brand. Even with out mage malphite the Mountain buff is strong, and Getting Level 8 isn't unreasonable. 3 mage will sustain the comp Till you get to that point. Mystic doesn't really Do enough I've ran and watched Many 4 mystic comps melt to inferno and Mages, Dragon Claws Are situational at best. I mean hell just got rocked by ocean mage and lvl 3 naut did 5 k damage by him self. Taliyai is annoying CC, Vald is often 3 star'd with out much contest, Syndra offers great AOE damage (3* wipes out a clustered backline), Thresh and Naut will keep you in it till you find Nami to replace one of them.
The team is pact'd with CC, shields, AOE damage, and if You luck into 3* vieger (rare I know) Then may the RNG gods have mercy on your team. Then You factor in Mage malphite (less reliable to get now I know but I'm still seeing it often) which can stun half your team if You happen to be running alot of Melee that tend to groups up (Preds almost all Melee) then say goodbye. Even mage annie can disrupt them with Double tibbers now tanking for you. I think Pred/Poison is stronger over all but Usually i get more composition for Pred/ Posion and Singed is almost non-existant since every one and there Grandma tries to 2 star Him now adays. 2 ocean isn't great but still can make or break a fight, and most go 4 ocean which makes that doubly true.

Crystal does do A good job some times though Viegar can make or break that though with his auto deletion of units lower than him.