Kindred has been out for a couple of hours

iTaLenTZ·Oct 14, 2015·193 votes·8,719 views

And 20% of the community claims to be a Kindred main. This is why you disable new champs in ranked for the first 2 weeks.

118 Comments

Blue KaoziOct 14, 201555 votes

I dont feel like sitting through 12+ dodges. I think im going to stick to teambuilder or draft pick for awhile

BigSkinny805Oct 14, 20155 votes

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I dont feel like sitting through 12+ dodges. I think im going to stick to teambuilder or draft pick for awhile

Upvoted.

Ignis0Oct 14, 20157 votes

Got 9 dodges in a norm queue this morning when I was trying to play kindred. Still managed to call kindred jg.

kaltenashesOct 14, 20152 votes

i have to create game (me vs bots) to learn a bit of kindred...got ban (5/15 min) 3 times while trying to play her in co-op vs ai, because there's always another kindred there

SaphixiaOct 15, 20151 votes

same here, i ended up playing her in a custim game me againts 1 bot

TheGrandAllianceOct 15, 20151 votes

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I dont feel like sitting through 12+ dodges. I think im going to stick to teambuilder or draft pick for awhile

Hey I would sit though 12+dodges. By the time you get a team you probably have one super awesome team as all of the trolls have been "weeded out".

EnchantéOct 15, 20151 votes

this is exactly why I'm scared of new champions instead of getting exited over it...

Celeste BenalOct 15, 20152 votes

QFT. Had to do a bunch of solo customs with 9 bots to even get a game to try them out.

TrebbiOct 14, 201527 votes

Its been said forever, but riot should implement a period where said champion cant be played in ranked, but cant be banned in norms so people can try her out, but not ruin anyones rankings by playing something for the first time.

cheezeoflegendsOct 14, 20159 votes

Don't suggest this on the reddit, you'll get downvoted to hell by people that think that bug and balance feedback magically isn't valid when it's from normals because the players there aren't playing for arbitrary points that have no mechanical effect on the game.

TrebbiOct 14, 20152 votes

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Don't suggest this on the reddit, you'll get downvoted to hell by people that think that bug and balance feedback magically isn't valid when it's from normals because the players there aren't playing for arbitrary points that have no mechanical effect on the game.

Probably, but I think its the only logical thing to do because I feel that blind and team builder should not be the only place to play new champs, because you loose the proper counter pick opportunity, but a new champion day 1 in ranked is bad regardless of how much game knowledge you have, because I have seen alot of diamond/challenger people struggle alot with new champs on the PBE.

Remember how everyone tried to build damage on sion for instance`? That could have been fixed disabling him from ranked and make him unbannable in normals so the collective learning curve would hit the ranked stage at a later stage so he would atleast be somewhat tanky.

cheezeoflegendsOct 14, 20152 votes

I play a bit of ranked. Just started playing it this season after a long time of never taking the plunge due to rumors of low rank horror.

I agree completely with you actually. Smite has an incredibly strict rule on new champs as often you can't play them in ranked for around 2 weeks. It works fine and everyone that plays that game seriously agrees that's how it should be.

Just a week long period would be plenty IMO. Even if balance wasn't perfected the surprise bugs and surprise op builds would be found. Plus everyone would have plenty of practice in an environment with no lasting drawbacks for others.

I suggested as much on the reddit and plebs kept acting like normals couldn't provide any feedback or practice at all and they should be allowed to learn champs in ranked where there's penalties because according to them people don't play to win unless they play for arbitrary points.

TrebbiOct 14, 20152 votes

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I play a bit of ranked. Just started playing it this season after a long time of never taking the plunge due to rumors of low rank horror.

I agree completely with you actually. Smite has an incredibly strict rule on new champs as often you can't play them in ranked for around 2 weeks. It works fine and everyone that plays that game seriously agrees that's how it should be.

Just a week long period would be plenty IMO. Even if balance wasn't perfected the surprise bugs and surprise op builds would be found. Plus everyone would have plenty of practice in an environment with no lasting drawbacks for others.

I suggested as much on the reddit and plebs kept acting like normals couldn't provide any feedback or practice at all and they should be allowed to learn champs in ranked where there's penalties because according to them people don't play to win unless they play for arbitrary points.

I agree with your sentiments and I am saddened by the reactions you have faced. :(

People who says normals aren't good for practice probably never practice last hitting or jungle clears in custom games either.

Unless your really high ELO in ranked and have shit normal MMR, yes it might be easier because of game sense, but your still trying and figuring out a new champ. Its just common sense to atleast get a understanding and feel out a champion before playing them in a "serious setting".

But people reap what they sow and sadly reap their allies elo aswell.

JAGMAGOct 14, 20151 votes

well lets be honest idk if you play both ranked and normals but the quailty of normals games is sooooooooooooo much lower then a ranked game you could find bugs in normals but balance would be hard as hell if we went by normlas for balance then teemo yi and katirian are beyond hopelessly broken and just need to be deleted.

GorgannanOct 14, 20151 votes

You're thinking soloq, not normals vs. ranked. No one is magically better at dealing with those guys in ranked.

JAGMAGOct 14, 20152 votes

im saying normlas are not a good source for balance because people dont tryhard normal i play freaking attack speed shen jungle or adc thresh in normlas and crush with it dosent work so well in ranked

GorgannanOct 14, 20151 votes

But statistically, that would even out. What makes Katarina tryhard in normals?

JAGMAGOct 15, 20151 votes

it wouldn't even out and katriania is considered a pub stomper but not op in ranked mode so theres a good example

GorgannanOct 15, 20151 votes

Pubstomper means good against baddies, not good in normals. Being in ranked wouldn't make a difference unless only Katarina tries in normals while no one else does. Since that's OBVIOUSLY not the case, it would even out.

JAGMAGOct 15, 20151 votes

it would make the difference the problem with normals is its blind full pick vs ranked is draft mode katarinia and yi stomp when no one picks counters but if you pick even basic counters you can shut them down hard but you almost never see that happen in normals so the numbers would be very skewed from the two

Only AatroxOct 15, 20151 votes

People played Ekko in ranked the day he came out because he was incredibly strong.

TrebbiOct 15, 20151 votes

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People played Ekko in ranked the day he came out because he was incredibly strong.

What your saying just supports my argument.

BigSkinny805Oct 14, 201512 votes

I'm curious in how all these people are getting to play Kindred.... I refuse to play a new champ outside of team builder( because practice makes perfect and thats what team builder was DESIGNED for cough) So people must be on the auto lock schedule right now which is sad and selfish. I stay away from normal and ranked for a good couple weeks because of new champs clogging the scene and ruining it for the rest of the ranked/normal team who just wanted to play.

The QuinndredOct 14, 20151 votes

Me personally, I played them a bit on PBE and love their kit and theme. I WANT to be a Kindred main, but I also want to have some more experience before taking her into ranked.

Meeks011Oct 14, 20153 votes

Same. I'll suck massive ass, but I love her theme. Whenever I hear "Never one... without the other" I get chills.

The QuinndredOct 14, 20152 votes

Their*. Sorry, I'm a massive stickler for that kind of horse-shit for some reason. But yeah, the two main reasons I love Kindred: 1. The theme for the champion is so cool. Death done got tired of its shit and decided "You know what world? Fuck this, I'm going become two now, just gimme that axe." 2. The champion is an ADC, my favorite role, that I can play in the jungle and has enough self-peel and sustain that i don't have to worry about having to rely on someone on a completely different page than I am.

JohnJonesyOct 14, 20155 votes

*Its

Sorry, I had to.

Although "'s" is possessive in most circumstances, "it's" is merely a contraction of "it is" or "it has."

"Its," however, is possessive, not "it's."

Good day, friendly fellow.

Meeks011Oct 15, 20152 votes

Fuck, did I really say that? FUCK! I keep correcting other people then making the same dumbass mistake.

The QuinndredOct 16, 20151 votes

Haha, same. It's like, whenever I'm in a conversation with a friend about them, and they start calling them "her", I just start calling them "her" as well.

TotalJerkOct 14, 201512 votes

When I play team builder during a champion release I just spam counters to that champion for like 2 weeks.

PaarthurnaxOct 14, 20152 votes

Logged in just for the upvote

Un7uckyOct 14, 20151 votes

hey man i was about to jump into ranked, but i am not sure what to expect. good counters are early game pressure or tanky? i hear this new one is a duelist

Raiku KawisaOct 15, 20151 votes

She has a stacking passive that adds Current%HP Physical Dmg on hit per stack. Tanks are not the way to go. Crushing her into a paste before she gets stacks is what counters her (I believe)

RendarkanOct 15, 20152 votes

Actually denying her marks is the way to go. force her to come into your jungle and murk her, and even if the jungler is not near a scuttle bug make an effot to go and nab it. We did that to an enemy Kindred and we kept her at two stacks the whole game. Also make sure that when you are the one she marks try to bait her into a solo fight and have the whole team gank her for a quick kill or drag her into your jungle and get the jungler to help kill her. And lastly... wards save lives.

Raiku KawisaOct 15, 20151 votes

XD Thats what I said, Deny those stacks and she doesn't get her damage.

SageaceOct 14, 20159 votes

Some people have played Kindred on the PBE. Just saying.

SimplicateOct 14, 20154 votes

True but I doubt half the scrubs auto-locking her like their life depended on it have a PBE account.

HorrowOct 14, 201512 votes

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Some people have played Kindred on the PBE. Just saying.

And most people haven't. Just saying.

Malix FarwinOct 14, 20155 votes

I am a kindred main and i havent even played her yet :)

3tysonOct 14, 20155 votes

im deff a kindred main i played them since release

HoodwinkOct 14, 20152 votes

If you go on Team Builder and look for a jungler, Kindred instantly shows up.

LeeDarkOct 15, 20152 votes

L2PBE.

O Fallen ScholarOct 15, 20152 votes

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And 20% of the community claims to be a Kindred main. This is why you disable new champs in ranked for the first 2 weeks.

I disagree. This is how people learn how to play against Kindred in general. It has good sides. If people weren't claiming to be Kindred players or "mains" then how can other people even know what Kindred does? Or learn their strengths? It's a part of learning that new champion.

56552559_DELOct 15, 20151 votes

Its called playing against bots. There is a reason why we have Co-op vs AI matches. That is what I use when trying out new champs. Mainly because im not a dick screwing over my team by picking a champ i have no idea how to play and then completely bombing on it and giving the team a loss that could have been avoided in PVP.

I had this yesterday when playing with a random. He instalocked it and then stayed in the the jg the whole time without ganking any lane. He claimed at the beginning he practiced with it but during the match said he was getting outplayed by the Kha'Zix on the other team. I said, "no you just suck" because he obviously wasnt a good jg and coupling that with the new champ made him even worse.

This is why people should be forced to play a certain amount of bot games before taking the champ into pvp.

mikemcpartyOct 15, 20152 votes

Except you are playing against bots, which have no complex movements and don't leave lane for the first 20 minutes. The only way you can truly get good with a champ, outside of csing, is by playing real games. You should not be having this hard of time grasping that.

Your example is even worse, because the jg in bot matches is completely unguarded and open for anything. There is no counterjungling and no rush to gank lanes because the bots are braindead.

56552559_DELOct 15, 20151 votes

Incorrect. The bots may not have dynamic and complex movements or anything like that, but it is the best way to understand new champs since you have no idea what the abilities will do and when the will do it.

By removing the human player aspect out of the opponent, you are free to understand the abilities and combos of your champ without worrying about if an enemy jg is going to gank you or if the opposing lane player is going to pull of a spell rotation that only a human player would do.

It gives you the freedom to practice with the champ to the point of familiarity and to where you feel comfortable enough to take it to PVP if you wish. That is what i do and i am very successful with it.

What you are suggesting is worse because then that makes it to where the champ constantly gets banned out or people in TB get overlooked due to the new champ and by that point, they get even LESS practice since no one wants them on their team. And that puts them even FURTHER back on practicing and getting used to the champ whereas if they were to go to bots, you wouldnt have that problem. The bots is mostly used for learning the champs abilities and spell combos to be comfortable enough to use them in PVP. I know there is no human aspect of actual PVP play, but that is not why you use bots. You use it for the reason i stated and that is to learn the champs abilities and combos.

mikemcpartyOct 15, 20151 votes

You basically said that to get good with a champ, you need to play bots. I said that bots are good for learning to cs correctly and for understanding abilities, but that is it. In terms of jungling, the only time you will get legitimate experience is in actual games. Laning is SLIGHTLY different story, but in bot games, there is no rush to gank and no pressure in your own jungle.

Regardless, if you play 100 games against bots with a champion, that does not mean anything when you translate that to an actual game against actual players.

56552559_DELOct 16, 20151 votes

Please show me where i said you have to play bots in order to get good at champs. I never said that nor did i ever imply that.

The point i was making was that people need to play bots to LEARN the champs to get comfortable enough to take it into PVP is they want to. No one in PVP wants to play with someone that is completely new to a champ nor do they want to play with someone who buys a new release champ and wants to try it out in ranked or regular PVP.

What you said was that the only way to get good at a champ outside of csing is by playing real games. Not to mention that you NEVER said ANYTHING about learning abilities. IM the one who said learning abilities. Im not in disagreement with playing real games to get good at a champ. But what i AM in disagreement with is the fact that people should automatically go into real games with first time champs that they have NO IDEA how to play them. That is why i said you need to play in bots for the first few games with a new champ just to get used to the abilities and THEN go into PVP.

kneel on IceOct 14, 20151 votes

played 3 rankeds today , 2 of them kindred was picked , the other 1 she was banned

GayFluffyUnicornOct 15, 20152 votes

Only played a single game today. SoloQ ranked. Firstpick instalocks kindred without saying anything. Went 2/10 (2 kills only by very unnecessary KS) Game was lost, got demoted again. Had fun, see league at the new season i guess,tired of this bullcrap. Watched his match history and he played kindred 3 times. 2 times he lost hard and one time like 30/something/something (only normal). I would totally support a ranked ban for one or two weeks for the new champs