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I mean...... lmfao.
Not a single well thought out build on any of the other 7 players.
Managed to 3 Star a Gangplank, Morg, and Kass without even rolling, because other teams didn't even touch them.
I understand why people are getting opinionated on TFT. But I'm adamant.... It's not the game. It's how you play it.
Sona Ping2 votes"I understand why people are getting opinionated on TFT. But I'm adamant.... It's not the game. It's how you play it." But still, it's Silver.
Illabethe2 votesI have a Diamond account, a Plat account, 2 Gold accounts and a Silver account.
The point I'm getting across is "skill" is beginning to express itself.
If you play Silver, you get random hodgepodge teams you can steamroll. If you play low gold, you still get minimal resistance to building a carry team. If you play high gold, you often neither will get your items you need and 3-4 people will be building the same champs as you, and their placement will be MUCH better. If you play Plat, most games are about who got a successful Void build, and had the right balance between economy and leveling at the right times, and you begin to struggle conserving gold. If you play Diamond, most games are so strategic that unit placement wins/loses games more than anything. It's still Void comp, but it's predicting other player behavior to the point where you're trying to make them lose 10 HP per turn or more from the very first PVP rounds. You can't just put units on the floor and force a loss to abuse carousels anymore, or you get ran over by 5-6 units (spiders) early and never recover the HP loss. Also, Diamond is where you really begin to see people transition teams from one meta to another mid game.
I'm personally probably about a Plat player on average. Going back to silver and just seeing how easy it is to win with the "gates" wide open is really sad.
XinZhao2WinNhao2 votesThe meta in each elo is different
Bronze is about rerolling early to 3 star your Vaynes, Khazixes and other 1 cost champions
Silver is all about assassins.
Gold is about Dravens
Plat is voids
idk diamond because I've never been there
Illabethe2 votesThe metas aren't different.
The player choices are.
If you are 1 of 8 people taking 8 champions and the other 7 are wasting half their coins to reroll 3 stars but stay level 6, that's not a meta. That's them playing wrong. The Void will still beat them.
You know how I got 3 Star Gangplank? I only had 2 Star up until 3 people were left. I rerolled at max level 5 times with 62 Coins in hand. I got 2 pages with 2 GP each, and 2 pages with 1. That's how available they were.
Morgana was also bought like this.
I made 0 effort at all to chase 3 stars up until I was max level.
XinZhao2WinNhao2 votesIf you are 1 of 8 people taking 8 champions and the other 7 are wasting half their coins to reroll 3 stars but stay level 6, that's not a meta. That's them playing wrong. The Void will still beat them.
You'll be taking 20 damage each round if you hold on to 50g until level 8 because you'll have a team made up of 1 and 2 stars vs their 3 star vayne, darius, garen and karthus. You might be able to beat them if you can finish your 6 nobles + Draven build, but if you die before you find Kayle or 2 star your Draven then you are 7th or 8th. If I get the Kayle and 2 star Draven, I will be in the top 4, if I don't get Kayle or 2 star Draven before I lose all my HP then I get 7th or 8th. You underestimate how quickly it takes a player to die in the hyperroll meta.
I watch Scarra and think "why can't I also get opponents who losestreak econ until level 8 so that I don't die before I can finish my noble build" but that's not the way it works. You play the game to counter the opponents you get, not the hypothetical opponents you would be getting if you were in Challenger.
I rerolled at max level 5 times with 62 Coins in hand. I got 2 pages with 2 GP each, and 2 pages with 1. That's how available they were.
That's max luck, man. Even if a champ is uncontested, that takes a lot of luck.
I got a 2* Lucian in play and then 4 Lucians in one page and I was like, OK I guess I'll 3* this. It was the only 3* I got in the past 20 games. I have to hold on to 5 or 6 Nobles on my bench, there's no point trying to 3* if it's just going to take up bench space.
Illabethe2 votesYou're not taking that damage if you're budgeting your coin/purchases and building cheap early game comps and later transitioning into a better team.
Garen/Darius with a Morellonomicon on the Garen is enough to survive the first 2-3 carousels. But, it's weak late game. Sell it, transition the items over to Cho/Gangplank.
You don't need consume 40 Coins in rerolling to 3 star them from 2 stars to win with this comp, because you're going to sell them, and because it's not a huge advantage vs the cost to do it.
It doesn't take a lot of luck when you're level 9, and proccing Tier 4 and 5 is more common than Tier 1-2.
XinZhao2WinNhao2 votesGaren/Darius with a Morellonomicon on the Garen is enough to survive the first 2-3 carousels.
It's not enough if you're in a really aggressive lobby. I've tried all sorts of builds using only 1 cost and 2 cost champions to avoid wasting gold, but unfortunately I realize that once the average lobby hits level 7 I have to start using 3 or 4 cost champions even if I lose the extra interest and a few spots on my bench.
Also since I run 6 nobles only, I can't sell the Garen so it's a waste of an item that could be used on a late game carry. I don't place any items on nobles for that reason.
You don't need to keep rerolling, but you do need to match the other players tempo and play a bit more agressively earlier. If you usually wait until level 8 to reroll (like I'd prefer) you may have to start rerolling at level 7 to avoid bleeding too much.
You're not taking that damage if you're budgeting your coin/purchases and building cheap early game comps and later transitioning into a better team.
I already do this but I still take a lot of damage.
Illabethe2 votesNobles have an 8% Win rate..........would you choose such a heavy niche?
Partial noble teams are fine (Knight or Gunslinger complements)
XinZhao2WinNhao2 votesIt sounds like a really niche comp, but I actually manage to get my nobles in about 70% of my games since they are usually uncontested and I also level to 8 really early.
I play 6 Nobles + Draven every game. The 8th and 9th champions are situational, they can be either Swain for the Imperial, Karthus for the damage or Aatrox for the Blademaster.
Before I get Kayle and Draven I just play whatever is cheap and accessible. Usually some sort of Ashe+Varus ranger comp but sometimes brawlers or whatever is in my shop.
Illabethe2 votesNot saying you can't GET them. I'm saying they ultimately only win ~ 8% as a #1 team. Also, they are extremely currency consuming early game, so they are one of the worst teams to establish economy.
Most Noble teams I see turn into a Ranger/Phantom Team.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 voteshow are nobles currency consuming? 3 out of the 6 are 1 cost
I'm not going for top 1 I'm going for top 4
Subdue3 votesThe meta in each elo is different
Bronze is about rerolling early to 3 star your Vaynes, Khazixes and other 1 cost champions
Silver is all about assassins.
Gold is about Dravens
Plat is voids
idk diamond because I've never been there
This is a weird conclusion to come to. Why would something that works in Platinum not work in Bronze?
XinZhao2WinNhao2 votesBecause people play different in Bronze
It's rock-paper-scissors. Rock might work in Plat where people like to play scissors, but if people in Bronze pick Paper, then don't play Rock against them. Econing in Bronze guarantees an early death.
For example, Draven is the favorite champion in Gold at least of this patch. In each game, at least 3 people have a Draven. So you should build to counter the Draven if you are playing against those 3 Draven players, rather than building to counter a build that may be meta in Diamond but nobody likes to play in Gold.
If you try to econ in Bronze when everyone else is hyperrolling you'll die before you get to level 8
Subdue1 votesBecause people play different in Bronze
It's rock-paper-scissors. Rock might work in Plat where people like to play scissors, but if people in Bronze pick Paper, then don't play Rock against them. Econing in Bronze guarantees an early death.
For example, Draven is the favorite champion in Gold at least of this patch. In each game, at least 3 people have a Draven. So you should build to counter the Draven if you are playing against those 3 Draven players, rather than building to counter a build that may be meta in Diamond but nobody likes to play in Gold.
If you try to econ in Bronze when everyone else is hyperrolling you'll die before you get to level 8
Econ is one thing, but comp is something entirely different. What you said previously is you need to go certain comps in certain ratings, which makes no sense, especially if you take into account what you just described regarding the rock paper scissors bit.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesI didn't say you had to build those comps to win?
I just said that the meta, aka the most popular comp, is different among the different elos. This affects which champs will be contested, how quickly you have to level to get a contested champ before the others get him, how you have to econ, what comps counter the dominant comp and other strategies that may not work with a different meta.
Linda de Mol2 votesidk how people play this game
i keep having fights where my champs bug and dont do anything at all, just stand in the field
and i lose while they are full hp and untouched
tires2 votesI mean, I dunno. I see synergies and can kinda imagine what people were thinking but like can’t say for sure because I can’t see the itemizations.
But 2nd place was 6 yordle, 3 sorcerer 3rd was 6 knight, 2 guardian 4th was 4 glacial, 3 yordle, 3 elementalist, 2 gunslinger 5th was 4 wild with what I can only assume was hyper carry tristana? 6th was 4 gunslinger, 2 guardian, 2 glacial + Pyke for cc 7th was 4 knight, 2 guardian, and I guess Aatrox carry? And 8th was 6 assassins.
I mean it kind of makes sense. Sure they’re not like meta comps but at least they have some kind of synergy and aren’t just random junk lol. I feel like games like this are pretty common up to plat, at least from what I’ve seen.
Illabethe2 votesThey are basic non thought out synergies.
Ie..... I know that 55% Dodge sounds strong, so let's go with that.
All Yordles All Knights All Glacial All 3 Star rerolling Tier 1/2's Pirate Glacial while losing rounds ( HP ) to gain XP but never getting there before the build was complete Gunslinger with Guardians - Early game comp never actually adjusted for late game. Also left out the most important Gunslinger.
You know what Synergies I had?
(6) Sorcerer (3) Void (3) Yordle (2) Gunslinger (2) Brawler
The fact is.... none of them even contested me for champions. None of them had Gangplank. None of them had Cho Gath. None of them even tried to deny me items.
Tecness01 votesThey are basic non thought out synergies.
Ie..... I know that 55% Dodge sounds strong, so let's go with that.
All Yordles All Knights All Glacial All 3 Star rerolling Tier 1/2's Pirate Glacial while losing rounds ( HP ) to gain XP but never getting there before the build was complete Gunslinger with Guardians - Early game comp never actually adjusted for late game. Also left out the most important Gunslinger.
You know what Synergies I had?
(6) Sorcerer (3) Void (3) Yordle (2) Gunslinger (2) Brawler
The fact is.... none of them even contested me for champions. None of them had Gangplank. None of them had Cho Gath. None of them even tried to deny me items.
You also had 2 spatulas. They seemed to have put significantly more effort in getting synergies with the units themselves rather than relying on items. The one below you had 6 yordle / 3 sorc. Below that was 5 knights, 3 noble, 2 glacial, and 2 guardian. Below that was 4 glacial, 3 elemental, 3 yordle, 2 gunslinger. The one below that was simply 4 wild, probably going for shapeshifters as well. The one below that had 4 knights, 2 guardians. And last place had 6 assassins. Most of them were going completely different builds than you, why would they care about your champions? Realistically the only ones they could have actually attempted to contest were cho'gath or sol and it would be a waste of their gold to do so.
Illabethe1 votesNone of those builds are competitive builds, and none of them built aoe, and none of them built proper items. They are chasing straight synergies.
Also, the fact I had 2 Spatulas should tell you something important: They left them on the table! I finished this game with 87 HP. Meaning..... I didn't throw matches to earn carousel gains. I was GIVEN THEM.
I've had last pick on Carousel Cho Gaths at this elo/early Gold. If you know anything about TFT, you know that the chance of a cho surviving past the first 2 players to pick is almost NIL. You either pick to deny or you pick to put on your team. You don't leave it for the Void builder whose already beat you 12 times and is on top of the scoreboard.
It is NEVER a waste of gold to deny a core champ. It is NEVER a waste of resources to deny a Spatula, Staff, or Sword.
Why would they care about my champs? Because I was BEATING THEM THE WHOLE GAME.
There was no early game this game. I was taking 20-30 HP since about round 3-1.
Do you know how Diamond wins? They contest the same build as the people winning.
ZephyrDrake2 votesOk... the point of this thread is... "hey guys I am better than this players look at how I beat them and make fun of them" It's pretty much what you are saying right now
Illabethe2 votesNope. The point of the thread is......
That I really wish people were thinking like this was chess, not just random RNG. I wish that they were at least halfway challenging. I've lost Summoner's Rifts in Silver and I'm Diamond. You have unwinnables. In TFT.... that doesn't happen unless another fast track High elo player is ranking a new account.
The decisions I was making was to deny THEM. The decisions they were making was to pick a random synergy and hope it wins.
ZephyrDrake1 votesNope. The point of the thread is......
That I really wish people were thinking like this was chess, not just random RNG. I wish that they were at least halfway challenging. I've lost Summoner's Rifts in Silver and I'm Diamond. You have unwinnables. In TFT.... that doesn't happen unless another fast track High elo player is ranking a new account.
The decisions I was making was to deny THEM. The decisions they were making was to pick a random synergy and hope it wins.
Cool... if you want challenge why are you playing against people who are inferior to you? Go play on your main account and let people in low elo actually enjoy the game? Nah, better make a thread essentially making fun of them because they aren't playing to YOUR high elo standards.
Illabethe2 votesYou have to play through these elos to get up to current......
I'm just in the process of ranking all my accounts. I have over 260 TFT games already....
Beerstein2 votesCongrats on smurfing in arguably the worst thing Riot has ever released that lacks any skill beyond taking the time to pick up the basics and learning to scout fast? lol.
Congrats on beating people in a rank where they literally don't even care about the mode? IDK what to say man.
But hey, go you.
Illabethe1 votesLearn to read a post and its replies before posting.
They didn't deploy a single strategy (any of them)
Ratpie1 votesHonestly if I could downvote more, I would. Mostly an egoist rant, even if true. Honestly the lower elos were more satisfying for me because skill did seperate. From my experience, once you get high enough it is less skill based because this game is capped by META and RNG. Once you get to where everyone actually knows what works, it falls more into RNG of who gets the lucky item and champ drops. Who gets void to pop out the fastest on their champ select, who gets twice as many items to drop etc. With the new changes, it is going to be even more of a crapstorm.
Illabethe1 votesYup. Someone posting a win is always egotistic. *rolls eyes.
The higher you go the more reactive your play has to be. You can't sit on 50 Coins and hope to win. In Low elo, people think that getting a synergy or getting 3 stars wins.
That was the whole point. None of these guys did anything but try to create a single core synergy. I'm not trying to shame them. I'm trying to illustrate the difference so maybe a few Silvers learn something and begin climbing.
Ratpie1 votesYup. Someone posting a win is always egotistic. *rolls eyes.
The higher you go the more reactive your play has to be. You can't sit on 50 Coins and hope to win. In Low elo, people think that getting a synergy or getting 3 stars wins.
That was the whole point. None of these guys did anything but try to create a single core synergy. I'm not trying to shame them. I'm trying to illustrate the difference so maybe a few Silvers learn something and begin climbing.
If you can't see how you have all negative things about the other players and nothing constructive in your first post, then you have bigger problems. Multiple people are pointing this out to you, maybe learn from it. You may not see it, but you are shaming them while you are smurfing.
Illabethe1 votesI see at least three constructive "hints"
1 Inch and Proud1 voteshyper fed person with gold and items bitching because he won early and late. nice.
Illabethe1 votesI'm not Bishing.
I'm expressing the difference between Silver and Gold and Plat and Diamond.
Silver players in SR OFTEN blame team play on their records/losses.
In TFT they blame RNG instead.
The truth is that they don't even attempt to use strategy. Choosing one mega class and hoping it pans out is not strategy. I want them to UNDERSTAND THAT.
