Gaining 75 LP overall after several hours of playing only to lose it all in just 1 loss...

Cräfty·Aug 6, 2019·52 votes·12,612 views

I played a lot of TFT ranked games today and, overall, I ended up making good progress and gained 75 LP in D4... only to lose all of it in just one loss (8th place). Just ONE LOSS and a whole day worth of progress is just GONE!

Are you kidding me Riot? I wasted so much time playing and climbing up and you destroy my whole progres because I had one bad game?! REALLY? WTF is this punishment system?

It's already hard, as it is, to climb up to D4 with the game being so buggy and all the RNG and exploits abusers I have to face each game. But I gotta deal with this kind of LP loss as well?! Fix the LP system, for crying out loud!

[sg-shisa]

35 Comments

Miles MagicAug 7, 20198 votes

This really needs upvoted. This is the most frustrating part of tft for me. Huge LP losses are extremely unfun, along with low MMR making you lose LP in fourth.

SubdueAug 7, 20197 votes

This is the expected behavior, and any matchmaking/rating system on a FFA game would behave the same way. The system treats each game as 7 individual matches. 1st place is 7 wins - 0 losses, 2nd is 6 wins - 1 loss, 3rd place is 5 wins - 2 losses, and so on. So let's say you play 4 games and get 3rd place twice and 4th place twice. That means your actual record is 18-10. Then you lose at 8th place. That would put your actual record at 18-17, and you'd expect to be around where you were when you started.

KinkaruGamingTTVAug 7, 20194 votes

Then you should get 7 wins worth of LP. Not 30Lp for 1st place while lose 70+ for 8th.

SubdueAug 7, 20193 votes

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Then you should get 7 wins worth of LP. Not 30Lp for 1st place while lose 70+ for 8th.

Not necessarily. It depends on who you are matched with. Based on your rating relative to those of the other players, the game predicts the probability of you winning. Depending on where you are in the range of players, it assumes you're more likely or less likely to win. If you're at the top end it predicts that you are more likely to win, and thus, if you actually win, you gain less. The opposite is also true. When you're at the bottom end of the range and you win, you gain more, because it estimated you should win.

In Crafty's case, he's in Diamond 4, and there aren't many people at that level. More than likely, most of the games he plays are with people who are lower than him. As a result, he will tend to gain less when he wins, and lose more when he loses.

Here's a real world example of why this works. Imagine if Lebron James played 1v1 basketball with a random high schooler. If Lebron stomps him, it doesn't mean anything. No one thinks better of Lebron, and no one thinks worse of the random high schooler. The expected result occurred. On the other hand, if the random high schooler stomps Lebron, people would think a lot more off the high schooler, and a bit less of Lebron.

KinkaruGamingTTVAug 7, 20191 votes

I understand all of that. However you cannot EXPECT anyone to do well against anyone in an RNG based game. I shouldn't lose 70 lp for a loss. Thats equivalent to around 4 to 5 hours worth of games. Thats ridiculous. If I can only gain 30lp. I should only be able to lose 30 lp. Im plat 2 and am in the same exact situation as him. 2 loss = a demotion for me.

KinkaruGamingTTVAug 7, 20192 votes

Imagine incorporating RNG like Lebron has no knees or he only gets to shoot from full court meanwhile the person who isnt as good as him gets to shoot from the free throw line every time or is given points. If the RNG doesn't decimate Lebron then sure. He should win. However when the game is actively working against him it makes it near impossible for him to win. Now imagine if he loses he loses all of his stats and progress that he made this entire season. Thats the issue.

SubdueAug 7, 20192 votes

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Imagine incorporating RNG like Lebron has no knees or he only gets to shoot from full court meanwhile the person who isnt as good as him gets to shoot from the free throw line every time or is given points. If the RNG doesn't decimate Lebron then sure. He should win. However when the game is actively working against him it makes it near impossible for him to win. Now imagine if he loses he loses all of his stats and progress that he made this entire season. Thats the issue.

Your ranking is a measurement of your ability to win. The simple fact is that a Challenger player can win under circumstances in which a Diamond 4 player cannot, and matched within the same pool of users, the Challenger player wins more, and thus rises faster.

RNG, how much of it there is, and whether or not it belongs in the game is a separate topic and has nothing at all to do with a discussion on matchmaking or LP gains/losses.

SheNeverDidAug 9, 20191 votes

Yes. You would think A LOT MORE of the high schooler, and A LITTLE LESS of Lebron.

Not 30 points more of the high schooler and 95 less of Lebron.

Unker139Aug 7, 20193 votes

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Then you should get 7 wins worth of LP. Not 30Lp for 1st place while lose 70+ for 8th.

You do get 7 wins worth of LP. If you are high elo and you get 7 wins in a game where everyone is lower than you, you gain less because you are expected to do well.

8th place should hurt more than 1st helps if you are winning against people you are better than.

XinZhao2WinNhaoAug 7, 20195 votes

Then why not wait a full minute to match people with people of their skill level?

I don't need 5 second queues if it means that I get placed against people who could be bronze or challenger. I want to play with plat people, that's why I queued for rank and not normals.

KinkaruGamingTTVAug 7, 20193 votes

I will wait 10 mins for a match if it means not losing 70 LP. The alternative is to just stop playing because its an an unfair amount of LP loss.

XinZhao2WinNhaoAug 8, 20191 votes

I just got a silver in two of my ranked games. Queue was literally about 5 seconds long for each one.

If the system waited just a few more seconds I think they could have matched me with all plat players, as the majority of other players in my games were plat.

I don't think 10 minutes is needed for that. But I agree with you in spirit, if it is needed I'd rather wait 10 mins than lose way more LP than I gain. I play ranked because I want to make it to diamond, not to play random games with unfair matchmaking and skewed LP gains.

I'm not even against losing 70 lp as long as I also gain 70 for a win. (In fact I personally think that's good. 1st and last = 70 lp gained or lost, 2nd/7th = 50 LP, 3rd/6th = 25 LP, 4th/5th = 10 LP)

KinkaruGamingTTVAug 9, 20192 votes

Yeah. I would wait as long as it takes to not get demoted after 6 wins two losses.

00godlikeAug 7, 20196 votes

Guys - it's actually going to get WORSE after the "bug fix".

After that huge loss of LP you take which leaves you at 0LP. The next game - you very likely to demote. As losing with 0LP will demote you (when they fix bug). They need to define what "losing" is. Cos currently - I'm interpreting it as getting negative LP in a game... which is VERY LIKELY in higher ranks.

Conclusion. 1x 7/8th place pretty much equals a demotion. As you are reduced to 0LP... and then your next game probs get a little negative resulting in immediate demotion.

Not fun

dreamydischargeAug 7, 20194 votes

you think 75 is bad?

https://imgur.com/a/5BPRdNU

CräftyAug 7, 20192 votes

WTF?! -95 LP ?

GODDAMN!

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

KinkaruGamingTTVAug 7, 20192 votes

Unplayable.

xFLVCKOAug 7, 20192 votes

https://imgur.com/gallery/Tc9QRIC

CräftyAug 7, 20191 votes

link not working

xFLVCKOAug 7, 20194 votes

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link not working

won 3 in a row gaining 28 each, lost 77 lp after a loss (gold 1)

CräftyAug 7, 20192 votes

Check out the new thread I just wrote about the new ranked update, it's painfully hilarious!

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Starcraft243verAug 7, 20192 votes

You have to stop playing for LPs you'll feel way way better.

DunkerAug 7, 20191 votes

You do realize what ranked is for, right?

Starcraft243verAug 8, 20192 votes

Yes, ranked is for getting matched with player around your skill level and to see around which skill level you are.

Ranked is not for : farming Lps.

Train, seek to get better and you will get Lps naturaly. Seek to win Lps for the sole reason of winning Lps and you will both slow down your progression and be miserable.

Having Lots of Lps will not make you better. Being better will make you have a lot of Lps.

Jennifer420Aug 7, 20191 votes

why can you claim an orb? for me they are disabled since days. wtf?

CräftyAug 7, 20191 votes

Probably because I stopped collecting them since I got my Tier 4 TFT icon, days before they disabled it. So it kinda stayed there, in limbo, waiting to be collected!

SirsirAug 7, 20191 votes

Yay betas!

rescuedAug 7, 20191 votes

I wish i could upvote this more than once. I'm Gold 1, gaining 6-20 lp a win but losing easily 25-60lp for 5th to 8th place :/

SheNeverDidAug 9, 20192 votes

Yep, me too. Actually, I got demoted go Gold II after rage-playing very late at night, but I've been within 10 points of Plat three times, and each time, I've lost all or almost all of my LP because of one bad game. Sometimes it's not even RNG -- once, the power at my in-laws' went out suddenly for no apparent reason (I was staying there while our air conditioner was being repaired). When it came back on ten minutes later and I logged in again, I'd gone from first with 95 HP to seventh, and was already eliminated.

I can see having the number of LP you lose increase the more times you lose in a row, but one game that might go wrong through no fault of your own? I feel like that should be a slap on the wrist most of the time.

Ahri BakaAug 7, 20191 votes

LOLOLOJPOASHFEWILH

I'm so sorry I actually laughed so damn hard for this despite it being tragic How could that happen?

CräftyAug 7, 20191 votes

I really don't blame you. From where I'm from, we have a proverb that roughly translates into " Too much misery makes you laugh " (something like that).