How About A Champ That Uses A Whip?

WinBoat·Feb 10, 2017·5 votes·893 views

What are your guys thoughts on a champion concept of a champion using a whip as a weapon?

It could be a ADC champion that hits from range with his whip "wha wham!" dat crit sound tho.

Like come on

15 Comments

CancerBasedGodFeb 11, 20174 votes

Thresh uses, basically a whip. It is a chain, but he whips people with it.

FloRaider42Feb 11, 20172 votes

Problem is that the most commonly associated thematic for a whip wielder are slave master (very controversial) and dominatrix (also controversial). Don't really think Riot would want to design a champion with themes like that.

CrazyBear1987Feb 11, 20171 votes

How about if the Whip/Weapon was her/his long hair and that's how they attack/ use abilities.

FloRaider42Feb 11, 20171 votes

But didn't OP mean a literal whip? That said "Rapunzel" seems a bit lackluster of a theme to build the rest of the champion about.

SEKAIFeb 11, 20171 votes

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Problem is that the most commonly associated thematic for a whip wielder are slave master (very controversial) and dominatrix (also controversial). Don't really think Riot would want to design a champion with themes like that.

Indiana Jones. Everybody's favourite whip champion.

http://nation.com.pk/print_images/large/2012-11-29/indiana-jones-whip-goes-up-for-auction-1354214121-6962.jpg

And subsequently,

"Old" Joseph Joestar whose design is inspired from Indiana Jones, who uses the vines from his his new-found ability "Hermit Purple" similar to whips and ropes in combat. "Hermit Purple"'s primary ability is divination, however.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/b/b0/Hermit_Purple.png/revision/latest?cb=20140808120716

And,

EDIT: The identity confused heroine, Barbara Meredith "The Black Whip", from Zorro's Black Whip, who's supposed to be Zorro but not really. But hey.

http://static.bitlanders.com/images/movie_imgs/p_23256.jpg

.........

We can build a whip champion off these templates too.

FloRaider42Feb 11, 20172 votes

most commonly associated thematic for a whip wielder, not only associated theme.

That said we already have an adventure archeologist Ezreal and someone that summons vines Zyra . And only Indiana is really a known case, as this Joseph isn't really that well known (I assume JoJos bizarre adventure, but I can't really tell)

I don't think we can build a whip champion off these templates...

SEKAIFeb 11, 20171 votes

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That said we already have an adventure archeologist and someone that summons vines . And only Indiana is really a known case, as this Joseph isn't really that well known (I assume JoJos bizarre adventure, but I can't really tell)

I don't think we can build a whip champion off these templates...

Joseph Joestar is really well known though. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is a Japanese manga sensation and a partially global cultural bomb since the late 80s (or the 2000s or so when the localisation translation available weren't no longer just shit that made everything confusing).

But yes, you have some points on the Ez and Zyra mention.

FloRaider42Feb 11, 20172 votes

Joseph Joestar is really well known though.

Honestly most of my friends don't even know about Jojos bizarre adventure (maybe different dempographic here) That is a problem considering themes should be easy to understand and be able to promote a power fantasy.

SEKAIFeb 11, 20172 votes

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Honestly most of my friends don't even know about Jojos bizarre adventure (maybe different dempographic here) That is a problem considering themes should be easy to understand and be able to promote a power fantasy.

Even if JoJo hasn't been that well known before, it should be pretty big now with the faithful adaptation from David Production that's netting high attention everywhere, and they've already completed 4 seasons/parts of the original 6-part story.

But idk.

However I don't believe a theme has to be relateable to work. It helps absolutely, but it's note required. Not to mention it's not such a big deal to release champs based on niche/non-mainstream ideas, I mean, Illaoi, Singed and Swain etc are a thing. Niche themes would still have their appeal, doesn't matter if nobody knows where their design archetype even came from.

FloRaider42Feb 11, 20171 votes

Niche themes? Illaoi is a priestress or cult leader that speaks to an eldtrich "god" (depending on your interpretation of her), both very common roles in fantasy/Sci-Fi fantasy stories. Bloodborne anyone ? Singed is a mad scientist and alchemist, not really a niche theme as far as I can tell Swain is a warlock, which is a very very common theme to be honest

It doesn't really matter if people know where the theme comes from, it's supossed to give the champion an identity, feeling and gameplay fantasy. The stronger the theme is the easier it is to create a kit, lore and visuals as you have a clear goal to work towards.

SEKAIFeb 11, 20172 votes

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Niche themes? is a priestress or cult leader that speaks to an eldtrich "god" (depending on your interpretation of her), both very common roles in fantasy/Sci-Fi fantasy stories. Bloodborne anyone ?

When really only Disney's Caribbean Davy Jones and Cthulhu and their respective inspired works can get away with using tentacles as their main perk of menace without sounding like something from a hentai or a poorly written story/though-up idea (looking at you, new Star Wars movies and their stuffed-in tentacles), Illaoi dives right in with a tentacle centric playstyle and combat theme and comes off just fine. I consider it niche.

But hey, I can let this one fly.

is a mad scientist and alchemist, not really a niche theme as far as I can tell

He ain't just a mad alchemist, he's also a frontline mad alchemist who uses a shield and designed to troll people all over the game through his time-wasting combat strategy (if we can even call it that) which is almost never seen in any other media. Who the hell would think that an alchemist who fights by spreading shit on the ground, flinging people behind them and let them smell his fart is a great idea? And that's exactly why Singed is niche and stands out.

is a warlock, which is a very very common theme to be honest

He is also no mere warlock. He's a were-bird. I've never heard that idea being really used within the scope of media that I know of, Howl's Moving Castle is probably the only example afaik.

It doesn't really matter if people know where the theme comes from, it's supossed to give the champion an identity, feeling and gameplay fantasy. The stronger the theme is the easier it is to create a kit, lore and visuals as you have a clear goal to work towards.

Yes. But it need not from an idea that's well recognised, it just needs a well realised idea, doesn't matter where it's from and how popular it is.

FloRaider42Feb 11, 20171 votes

Sure it's not like there is literature (lovercraft) and games (bloodborne, call of cthulu) about tentacly godlike beings and their cultists.

Yes he is not just an alchemist, but he still is an alchemist. Apart from the shield and flip his kit makes a lot of sense considering adhesives, poison gas and enhancing drugs are all alchemical products. Sure the interpretation is a bit niche, but his theme is not by any means.

Warlock are sorcerer that gain their power from a demonic familiar Swain is a sorcerer with all his abilities revolving around his demonic bird, so yes he definetly would fit If his theme would be werebird he would be more like Warwick and not like the mage he is.

I feel like you just said the same thing I said in different words there...

OleandervineFeb 10, 20171 votes

I recommended this like a month ago - and specifically as an ADC - for a post asking for an ADC who used weapons that weren't bows, spears, or guns.

DrugsForRobotsFeb 11, 20171 votes

Yeah, it's obviously a potential design space. But who is the whip wielder? Riot actually has to develop a character - design her model, her animations, her ability icons, her lore, her kit, her theme, her sound bites - and all of these things have to work in tandem and make her feel like she belongs in Runeterra and League and not some other game.

JamesTheMage17Feb 11, 20171 votes

I like the whip idea but I think they'd be ap instead of ad since the whip animation would take too long, and you can't build attack speed without causing lag.