So A Zed Walks Into The Bar......

WinBoat·Apr 28, 2016·20 votes·1,647 views

There is no counter.

52 Comments

BellowsApr 28, 201614 votes

Dont steal yorick's jokes brah. Yorick

XeroKimoApr 28, 20163 votes

Who's that? Is that a new champion? I never saw anything about him in the PBE

IcyPepperApr 28, 20162 votes

I think that's a delicious dairy breakfast item that also serves as a desert.

SlythionApr 28, 20167 votes

Counters: Malzahar Vladimir Azir Ekko Fizz Annie

Skill matchups: Leblanc Ahri Orianna

Sorry for being a buzzkill but this "zed is so op" thing is getting real old for me :/

The DeckownerApr 28, 20163 votes

azir after 6 is fucked by zed, rest are real counters

SlythionApr 28, 20161 votes

I agree with you there, but Azir has equal waveclear as Zed and can farm at a safe distance. It may not be a dominant-counter lane, but a good Azir can keep a Zed in lane and make it into a farm fest (with Azir's reliable soldier harass vs. Zed's skillshot harass) which will benefit Azir more in the late game than a Zed.

The DeckownerApr 28, 20161 votes

from what i see in most LCS games Azir vs Zed is always a losing match after 6, I have not seem an azir solo kill a zed in LCS but the opposite happens a few times. until azir gets hourglass zed will always have huge advantage due to his r shadow countering azir's shurima shuffle

SlythionApr 28, 20161 votes

You're right, Azir probably can't solo kill a Zed. The reason I listed him as a "counter" is because it's a safe lane for Azir because his soldier range is longer than Zed's W range, meaning if Zed decides to engage he will have to use his W and then ult (which gives time to react and takes away some of the dmg). Azir can cs relatively safely and force it into a farm lane as neither one can out-push the wave for the other (which solves the problem of Zed getting fed off roaming). It's not a 100% counter, but in most cases it's at least an ok matchup

ApocalypsicApr 28, 20163 votes

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azir after 6 is fucked by zed, rest are real counters

Azir's wall is a direct counter to zed and puts him well into a zone of safety.

The DeckownerApr 28, 20161 votes

that is not countering

countering is you having an advantage against the enemy, not just able to survive and not die

SlythionApr 28, 20162 votes

You'd think that being able to deny an assassin kills (something they need to be relevant) would be considered a strength or advantage against them :3

ApocalypsicApr 29, 20163 votes

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that is not countering

countering is you having an advantage against the enemy, not just able to survive and not die

Azir can harass zed all throughout the early game and can put enough distance between himself and zed to punish him any time he decides to use his ult, with a good azir this will result in getting a kill or burning a summoner spell of some sort.

Not to mention that Azir completely outscales zed, scaling into the lategame wheres Zed falls off.

Zed has an incredibly potent level six, he's supposed to. That's like complaining that you got 5 bleed stacks on you from Darius and then he dunked you for over half of your life, you have to respect the damage you know your laning opponent can put out and this is the same case. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO 1V1 ASSASSINS. They have a very specific role and that is to KILL people, so naturally it's going to be hard to fight them if you don't play your cards right.

I don't get why everyone complains about zed when he honestly is probably one of the most healthy assassin in the game, although TBH that probably belongs to talon now after his nerfs.

The easiest way to fight zed is to not fight zed, he's not usually a huge issue unless he spirals out of control, starve him of kills and make sure your lanes know to watch out for his roaming.

JayblazeApr 28, 20161 votes

I'm not sure about azir and fizz

SlythionApr 28, 20162 votes

Azir is a safe matchup, but Fizz definitely counters Zed

The DeckownerApr 28, 20161 votes

after 6 fizz wins against zed, pre6 zed rapes fizz

SlythionApr 28, 20163 votes

while it is possible to win trades pre-6 as Fizz, you're right that it goes in Zed's favor. My point was that Zed is not an instant win and there are counters

JayblazeApr 28, 20163 votes

I have to disagree with you, any dedicate zed player will be able to first blood these 2 guys and snowball out of them (might be harder to fb azir because he's a range champion, but still possible by outplaying his Q. Fizz is kinda easy to outplay as zed, since you can dodge both of his main spells). If it's s a zed main vs a fizz/azir main, the match up will go even and will be "show your skills to kill". I really dont think they are zed counters, they can really have a bad time against him.

SlythionApr 28, 20161 votes

My argument with Azir was mostly because it could be a safe lane, but for Fizz his E can dodge nearly all of Zeds damage and his Q can as well. There is outplay potential on both sides but I feel as though Fizz is safer (assuming both sides play well). Even if Zed gets his firstblood it isn't the end of the world, my point was that it's not as though Zed is just a freelo win mid like the boards seem to think he is

JayblazeApr 28, 20161 votes

I agree that Fizz can dodge some damage. Just wanna make clear that i'm not trying to be an ass, here, just giving my opinion :^). So assuming both sides are good with their champs (for zed vs fizz), you have to play the mind game, which is baiting spells in this case. Zed has kind of an advantage here because he has 2 ways to dodge fizz's spells, but fizz only has his jump (and maybe his Q). Zed can easily bait out fizz's E with his W shadow, then dodge it by jumping into his shadow AND THEN use the q-e combo. Fizz has to be really fast to dodge this with his Q right after finishing his E animation. Last thing is zed can also easily dodge fizz's ult with his ult or W, and fizz has to have a really good timing to dodge zed's ult pop with his E, if it's off cooldown. So zed can just bait fizz's E, then ult him and safely kill him and maybe dodge his ult with his W, wisely put down before ulting.

Troll for TrumpApr 28, 20161 votes

Least you didn say Talon countered Zed -.-

Handin Out NapsApr 28, 20164 votes

Fizz vs Zed is a skill match up at every point in the game. A good fizz will never waste their e unless you ult, a zed w won't bait out a good fizz's e. They both have kill pressure pre 6, they both have kill pressure post 6.

Horse GrenadesApr 28, 20161 votes

L O L

Very Hard EngageApr 28, 20167 votes

a counterpick is someone who rams the enemy into the ground. much the same as zed vs veigar. or zed vs karthus... or veigar vs karthus....

rip karthus :(..

none of those champs ruin zeds day, they just have the necessary tools to manage and contend with him.

find me a vlad who is 3-0, 50cs up, and going to 100-0 you the next time you walk back to lane. no, zed just doesn't have his gross lead which he normally has at this point, you're just even in farm and you're going to fall short in the team fights, thats all.

Hello I am BirdApr 28, 20161 votes

lol fuck karthus I guess

SlythionApr 28, 20162 votes

A counterpick is someone that has a clear advantage of the enemy. A Vlad is able to harrass/bully a Zed out of lane without any fear of being all-inned. Kills aren't the only way to shut down an enemy

Very Hard EngageApr 29, 20161 votes

except vlad doesn't have the advantage, he just shoves and shoves gets the full wave and doesn't die. which just means zed towerfarms and goes bot instead.

at no point are you a threat to zed. you just prevent yourself from feeding. that isn't a scenario in which you are strong.

your Q only has a range of 600, his Q is 900. and on a shorter CD. 10s vs 6s.

wukong is a counterpick to zed because he does what zed does "just dive and all in", but hes stronger, has an armor shred to really hurt him early, an attack speed steroid, and can bait his ultimate with his W.

SlythionApr 29, 20162 votes

Zed poke is useless to Vlad
Zed can't all-in Vlad
Constant push = Zed has to stay mid or risk losing tower
Scales better with farm

Not every "counter" = "I can kill you", some counters simply mean I can stop you from being useful

Very Hard EngageApr 29, 20161 votes

oh hey, mobility-less mid laner wants to push and shove, lets see what the jungler has to say about that. especially against a high damage zed in the mid lane to also put out.

lets see what happens.

im telling you, go ahead and pick vlad 10times into zed, i guarantee you wont win more than 50%. making your "counterpick" worthless.

http://champion.gg/champion/Zed

zed beats vlad 53% of the time. good job. nice "counterpick" realistically its galio/kayle/ryze because they actually have methods to shut him down and negate his dive potential while still offering even more for the team.

whereas vlad only negates zeds poke. not his dive.

GroveroApr 28, 20163 votes

item 3157

BellowsApr 29, 20161 votes

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Counters:

Skill matchups:

Sorry for being a buzzkill but this "zed is so op" thing is getting real old for me :/

How does azir counter him? he can use one of his shadows to get behind the wall again if he placed it towards the back of azir incase he ults him away. Zed is op.

The DeckownerApr 28, 20165 votes

STOP STEALING YORICK'S JOKE

~~wait who is yorick?~~

Icestar1186Apr 28, 20165 votes

Wrong board; should be memes/games

charcharmunroApr 28, 20165 votes

Wait, you've f Urgot ten about somebody.

Sniper 0Apr 28, 20164 votes

Lissandra

L0ve Is BlueApr 28, 20164 votes

Lissandra Kayle

TallyZrgApr 28, 20163 votes

So a Zed walks into a bar...

There are no Shadows.

http://i.imgur.com/mA46dHAh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oFGU4wVh.jpg

jaymc1130Apr 28, 20163 votes

Diana : Hi zed. Zed : Time to die bitch. Diana : Rood. item 3157 Zed : Fml. [explodes] Diana : Well that was easy peasy.

JbelsApr 28, 20162 votes

As of right now? No, there is no counter. But now that Zed's ult is certain to go off on ADC, they can nerf the hell out of it

AnomanderApr 28, 20162 votes

Made me giggle and I am a 30+ yr old man..........[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

stealthfox94Apr 28, 20162 votes

Except a lot of champions counter Zed.

Voluug13Apr 28, 20162 votes

The thing is, you can probably point at anyone that screws Zed's Ult but in the end that is not a real counter.

Zed will press R again an go back to farm with his low cd energy ranged spell.

Literally the only real Zed counter atm is Malzahar because he has innate strong pushing (so Zed cant push lane and roam), good mana regains in his E (so Zed cant OoM you), an actually good amount of mixed damage (voidlings) and low range burst thatis also suppression lockdown, that without item 3155 Zed is likely to die to.

(However Zed can still harass Malzahar pre-6 with his ranged combo)

Kayle lacks burst and CC.

Lissandra lacks consistent waveclear (her mana suffers when waveclearing) and she gets outranged by Zed.

Urgot is a shadow of himself and gets bursted pre-6 ridiculously easy.

Vlad gets out harassed early. (yeah he can play passive but that leaves Zed space to roam) He simply doesnt die, but cant really punish Zed.

Ekko isnt even played midlane anymore.

Orianna lacks hp/mana sustain and some kind of tankiness.

Fizz, LB and Ahri are skill matchups, tbh.

Icestar1186Apr 28, 20161 votes

Once you get ROA, Lissandra's waveclear is fine. After a bit, I have to really work to run out of mana.

Handin Out NapsApr 28, 20161 votes

Quinn, Pantheon, Ryze, Kayle, Cho, Kennen, Galio, Swain, karma, Malz, and Lulu will all beat Zed with ease if you aren't garbage at them and laning.

ViashinoWizardApr 28, 20164 votes

Cho'Gath also counters Zed. He outsustains Zed's poke, is too tanky to be easily bursted down, can harass Zed while farming with both his W and E, and can easily react to an all-in from Zed's ult with Q.