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Need more Bilgewater champions.

The Dreamwalker··17 votes·3,271 views

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Hi, basically, it is just the title. If we truly think about it, Bilgewater has the smallest representation of characters within the League to this day. The picture above shows ALL of the Bilgewater champions. These are the same champions involve with the Burning Tides event (the only one not included is Nautilus). The only other location that can rival Bilgewater is Mt. Targon, yet even still, Bilgewater has little representation in the League. I mean, even the Shadow Isles, which is directly linked to Bilgewater through lore, has more champions. I would really appreciate if Riot could add some champions to expand the representation of Bilgewater in League. This is a favored location of mine because my main champion resides there (and you can probably tell by the icon I have selected who that is :D).

Disclaimer: Nami is not considered to be linked to Bilgewater, even though she participated in Burning Tides and is friends with Fizz. Nami is considered a vastayan and is a part of Ionian faction.

So, what do you think? More Bilgewater characters or nah? Comment and vote below!

Edit:

Disclaimer 2: Graves or TwistedFate, not sure which, actually didn't come from Bildgewater. They just reside there. I believe it Graves. I would have to re-read the Burning Tides lore.

46 Comments

Frankbang7 votes

I think the lore potential for Bilgewater is also way higher than some of the others that are (relatively) more normal, i.e. demacia.

Also, isn't Tahm Kench from Bilgewater? TahmKench

The Dreamwalker4 votes

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I think the lore potential for Bilgewater is also way higher than some of the others that are (relatively) more normal, i.e. demacia.

I would think so too. That is another good point.

Also, isn't Tahm Kench from Bilgewater? TahmKench

Actually, surprisingly, no. I did some research about this character. Tahm Kench is a champion that is called "Independent". This is because Tahm Kench identifies with the "ocean, rivers, etc." around the world. Nami was in the same boat, but, with the addition of the Vastayan to Ionia, she became an Ionian champion. Tahm Kench is just a champion that follows the water. Does this make sense?

So, he technically exists all around the world.

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

Tahm Kench is considered independant since he is a demon and basically appears all over the world. If there is a guy, who will make a deal with him in Shurima, he will appear there, just like Evelynn would.

The thing why people think that he belongs to Bilgewater: he has different forms of appearances all over the world, each culture sees him in a different way. And Riot has chosen his "Bilgewater form" to represent the champion in the game.

wiplash da beast1 votes

he is a traveler but Im sure he visits bilge water a lot

Saber of Red5 votes

I feel like I need to point out the fact that Vastayans are not exclusive to Ionia. Whilst most of them are from Ionia, Nami's tribe is from around Mount Targon whilst Rengar was born near Shurima.

FloRaider423 votes

I would really appreciate if Riot could add some champions to expand the representation of Bilgewater in League.

Official Universe Page:

Bilgewater is a haven for smugglers, marauders, and the unscrupulous, where fortunes are made and ambitions shattered in the blink of an eye. For those fleeing justice, debt, or persecution, it is a city of new beginnings; no one on the twisted streets of Bilgewater cares about your past. It’s a melting pot of cultures, races, and creeds, alive with activity at all hours.

While incredibly dangerous, Bilgewater is also ripe with opportunity, free from the shackles of government, regulation, and moral constraints. If you have the coin, almost anything can be purchased in Bilgewater, from outlawed hextech to the favor of local crime lords. Nevertheless, come daybreak, the unwary are found floating in the harbor, their purses empty and their throats slit.

"fortunes are made and ambitions shattered" TwistedFate "fleeing justice, debt, or persecution" Graves "no one cares about your past" Nautilus "melting pot of races" Fizz "melting pot of cultures and creeds" Illaoi "the favor of local crime lords" Gangplank "the unwary are found floating" MissFortune

Going by Bilgewater current lore it actually is represented rather well.

I am all for new and interesting champions, but Bilgewater has the problem of competing with some very thematic regions (Hextech=Zaun or Piltover for example). It's hard to find a concept that really fits Bilgewater better than another region.

The Dreamwalker3 votes

For some reason, when I quoted this, most of the information disappeared. Anyways, Hi Flo, I think you were the person that helped tweak my champion concepts. If so, hi! I enjoy your comments :^D

On to the beefy stuff. Yes, I read that stuff from the LoL universe page. I think it was that page that listed the different champions. Or maybe it was another page. Not sure, but anyways, I do agree that the current champions do represent Bilgewater. Yet, the champions of different countries such as Demacia, Ionia, Noxus, etc. their champions also represent the country they are from.

Galio represents Demacia motto of standing against magic. Vayne hunts dark creatures, similar to Lucian . Several of the characters are prestigious with a military background. Also, duty and honor are big elements represented in different champions such as Fiora.

Noxus is described as a place of aggressive people, but also inclusive and holds people of several different backgrounds and/or talents. I think it is fair to say that the champions of Noxus hold the different backgrounds (Cassiopeia) and also being multi-talented (Vladimir / Leblanc) and are definitely aggressive in play-style (Draven, Kled).

I believe it is fair to say that every country has its champions represent its motto or essence in a good way. This can be said for all of the champions of different countries. Bilgewater is no exception, only, it representation of a champion data-base is rather small compared to countries such as Demacia, Ionia, Noxus, etc.

Thanks for the comment! If you would like to continue the conversation, I would be up for it. I apologize if my central claim was misunderstood. If it was, then that is my fault. My central claim was just to include more champions into Bilgewater because of the lack of representation in the League, currently. I wasn't meaning to sound like that I believed that the current champions didn't represent Bilgewater. I know they do, whenever I look at them, I know they are from Bilgewater.

[sg-miss-fortune]

FloRaider422 votes

Could be because I used quotes myself (quotes aren't copied by the quote or reply option). Hi, thanks for remembering me. Been enjoying your concepts so I guess we are even ;P

I think I was a bit unclear there myself... [sg-zephyr] I did understand that you want more representatives and I wholly agree with that point, but my beef with this topic is that almost all aspects of Bilgewater are already represented by a champion (regardless of Region). Introducing another champion who overlapps with any of those representatives would cheapen both of them.

For example a drunken Brawler would fit very well into the immoral Bilgewater and represent the lighter side of the region, but that champion already exists.

So for me the objective shouldn't be "let's make more Bilgewater champions", but "what kind of thematic, gameplay etc. would fit for a Bilgewater champion". I am pretty sure you understand that point, since you give your concepts new and unexplored aspects, but I just wanted to have pointed it out for other readers.

I think the rather small representative pool of Bilgewater is tied to the rather small thematic space the Region encompasses. For example almost all champions with a technology or science theme can be easily tied to Piltover and Zaun. If your champion uses Martial Arts, Spiritualism or a combination of both (Ninjas) he probably is from Ionia. This is true for a lot of the big Regions, which leaves the small Regions like Mt. Targon and Bilgewater with only a handful of champions.

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

We need more Bilgewater and Piltover. [sg-ahri-2]

Stars Shaper2 votes

It's also because they are the smallest country in Valoran.

Sona Ping2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Dreamwalker,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=l9aQtKH2,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-10-25T17:03:34.238+0000)

All in favor of more Bilgewater champions?

"YEEEEEEEE" Not "AYEEEE!"

You had one shot, one opportunity! [sg-janna]

Rathar Dashing2 votes

Maybe that new bubble-shooting guy will be from Bilgewater

BoNaFiDeOuTkAsT1 votes

What bubble shooting guy?

FloRaider422 votes

The Roadmap has a picture of bubbles with butterflies inside, which probably is the champion that has the "sleep" effect teased when the game starts and a bubble falls into the base.

BoNaFiDeOuTkAsT1 votes

Oh. got ya. Thanks!

TheySeeMeWardin2 votes

While I completely agree with you that Bilgewater needs more champions, Mount Targon has the least amount of champs: A.S., Pantheon, Leona, Diana, and Taric (who’s originally Demacian).

FloRaider421 votes

Considering the space thematic what would you propose future champions to represent?

I mean we already have a Star Forger and the representatives of a constelation, the sun, the moon and the stars.

TheySeeMeWardin2 votes

That's an interesting thing to think about. I do think there are things that are not completely being taken advantage of like comets and planets, however I wouldn't even know where to begin to try and incorporate those aspects (hehe) of the galaxy into league.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

yeee, I would say we need more shadow isles (I love those champs <3) but considering Yorick and Eve's re-works, i'd say the shadow isles are fine for now.

The Dreamwalker3 votes

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yeee, I would say we need more shadow isles (I love those champs <3) but considering Yorick and Eve's re-works, i'd say the shadow isles are fine for now.

Yes, the Shadow Isles are fine. I was mainly talking about Bilgewater, respectively. I was using the Shadow Isles as an example of why Bilgewater needs more champions. Sorry if I confused you.

[sg-zephyr]

AgeOfTheMage3 votes

huh? I didn't even notice the shadow isles example, oops, hehe. [sg-lulu]

OurLestrade1 votes

Never forget The Glade, Kumungu, and all those places that got retconned after the lore reboot.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

Pretty sure Graves was raised in bilgewater i think twised fate is the one who wonders around the world doing cons

marpatt111 votes

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Pretty sure Graves was raised in bilgewater i think twised fate is the one who wonders around the world doing cons

Used to, lives in bilgewater now iirc [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

I think after burning tides Graves and TF go to piltover to go back to robbing business, tho bilgewater is where tgey normally live.

The Dreamwalker1 votes

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Pretty sure Graves was raised in bilgewater i think twised fate is the one who wonders around the world doing cons

Yes, I looked up. Graves is the one who wasn't born in Bilgewater. I also think someone else commented this.

Jet Sett1 votes

TF is from a nomadic tribe just outside of Bilgewater and went there as soon as he was shunned, so even fewer champs born into Bilgewater. Although it helps the image of Bilgewater being the bastion of brutes, bandits, and other unruly types with all the outside influences that come in and stir up trouble.

Zyranium1 votes

The Kumungu Jungles has the smallest roster on League, it's only represented by Zyra and Nidalee

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

No official region in league anymore though.

Zyranium2 votes

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No official region in league anymore though.

It's still official, Ivern quoted the Kumungu Jungles in his VO

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Let me rephrase that. It is not a region in the sense of how LoL Universe handles it.

Piltover, Zaun, Demacia, Noxus, Freljord, Bilgewater, Shurima, Shadow Isles, Mount Targon, Ionia, Void and Bandle City. These are the big regions of the game champions are usually associated with. They are forming big societies for champions to interact with each other and other people in general.

Champions which aren't associated with one of these are usually

  1. wandering the world being truly independant (Ivern, Evelynn, Tahm Kench) or
  2. being part of a really small faction or a faction that entirely lacks any clear society (Nidalee from Kumungu, Annie from Voodoo Lands, Nami from the Marai tribe)

By their own statement, Riot tries to rotate through the factions of the game to give diversity. But I highly doubt that the Marai, Kumungu Jungle and Voodoo Lands are part of that system.

If people say that we need more champions from Mount Targon or Piltover, that's a fair statement. These regions are supposed to be big influential societies in that world and should be represented with a fair amount of champions, just like the other regions in the same category (namely Demacia, Ionia, Noxus....).

If we are getting more champions from the Kumungu Jungle in the future, then this will be a very rare event. What I want to say.... let's say you are right and the Kumungu Jungle does have the smallest champion roster in the game. It doesn't really count in my opinion...

Even if you count the Kumungu Jungle in that case, then you should count the Voodoo Lands as well. And this means that the Voodoo Lands have the smallest champion roster, with just 1 associated champion: Annie

Zyranium1 votes

{quoted}

Let me rephrase that. It is not a region in the sense of how LoL Universe handles it.

Piltover, Zaun, Demacia, Noxus, Freljord, Bilgewater, Shurima, Shadow Isles, Mount Targon, Ionia, Void and Bandle City. These are the big regions of the game champions are usually associated with. They are forming big societies for champions to interact with each other and other people in general.

Champions which aren't associated with one of these are usually

  1. wandering the world being truly independant (Ivern, Evelynn, Tahm Kench) or
  2. being part of a really small faction or a faction that entirely lacks any clear society (Nidalee from Kumungu, Annie from Voodoo Lands, Nami from the Marai tribe)

By their own statement, Riot tries to rotate through the factions of the game to give diversity. But I highly doubt that the Marai, Kumungu Jungle and Voodoo Lands are part of that system.

If people say that we need more champions from Mount Targon or Piltover, that's a fair statement. These regions are supposed to be big influential societies in that world and should be represented with a fair amount of champions, just like the other regions in the same category (namely Demacia, Ionia, Noxus....).

If we are getting more champions from the Kumungu Jungle in the future, then this will be a very rare event. What I want to say.... let's say you are right and the Kumungu Jungle does have the smallest champion roster in the game. It doesn't really count in my opinion...

Even if you count the Kumungu Jungle in that case, then you should count the Voodoo Lands as well. And this means that the Voodoo Lands have the smallest champion roster, with just 1 associated champion: Annie

The Voodoo lands are confirmed to be non-canon, it's not official anymore, instead of the Kumungu Jungles which is still quoted in Ivern's VO

We can have lore and region updates with a new champion from the jungles, it's not impossible.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Not impossible, but unlikely. Ivern already was a good opportunity to make another champion associated with the Kumungu Jungle, but they chose not to do so.

I kinda expect them to handle it the same in the future.

Nymzo1 votes

A support?

DarkKatalyst1 votes

After reading Bilgewater's lore and related stories, I don't see much room for another champion unless they progress the lore through time. If Riot does that, I can totally see room for an Ionian (Asian) themed pirate that is the head of a massive pirate crew trying to take over Bilgewater through offering incentives to the people for some nefarious purpose. He/she would chip at Miss Fortune's weakness of poor diplomacy skills. They could even form some sort of alliance with Gangplank, promising him back his dominance over the island once they've gotten what they want. Gangplank's end of the bargain would be not violently confronting MF or getting in the way. Add a plot twist here and there, and it can be a pretty cool story.

FloRaider421 votes

But doesn't Gangplank already represent the Pirate faction of Bilgewater?

DarkKatalyst1 votes

Spoilers ahead, if you have not read all the lore:

Well, he did, until he and his ship got blown up by MF. Lore-wise, right now he's lying low and everyone thinks he's dead. The last thing that happened in the lore was MF killing all the factions leaders (because she can't diplomacy) that filled the power vacuum. She's sort of top dog unless GP comes out to contest, which is definitely what's happening next.

FloRaider421 votes

I wasn't talking lorewise, more thematically and gameplaywise.

He has the sabre, the flintlock, a ship raining down bombardements, a prothesis and lots of Vitamin C to avoid scurvy. Unless the Ionian pirate has another thematic niche I don't see the purpose of another pirate champion.

DarkKatalyst1 votes

Thematically, the champion would essentially be an Asian pirate, since Ionia is thematically Asia.

FloRaider421 votes

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Thematically, the champion would essentially be an Asian pirate, since Ionia is thematically Asia.

To be honest I don't know an awful lot about Asian pirates, but how would he differentiate himself from GP? Do Asian Pirates have some associated thematics, weapons or fighting styles that could be incorperated? How would such a champion play? What abilities would he have?

Edit: I don't really care that much about the visuals as you could just release an Asian Pirate skin for a champion and have the same outcome.

DarkKatalyst1 votes

Ever watch "Pirates of the Carribean: At World's End"? Something like this guy or this lady

That is the general idea for the appearance.

wiplash da beast1 votes

I came up with a idea for a bilge water champions

yardnoc1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/ohFrQXhR-champion-concept-ceely-the-fisherman

yardnoc1 votes

{quoted}

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/ohFrQXhR-champion-concept-ceely-the-fisherman

Originally based on the BMB event, but I evolved his kit to better fit into the world. Bilgewater Jungler. Lore Summary: Fisherman that got eaten, lived inside sea serpent for decades, and slowly mutated to survive until eventually becoming the beast's master. Now he's basically Davy Jones.

BoNaFiDeOuTkAsT1 votes

The champions above seem pretty dang diverse coming from one area.

I'm down for another one. Definitely my cup of tea. :)

Kaeblen1 votes

I saw a request for a new Yordle champion a while back and someone suggested a female Yordle Theif that is constantly surprised by her own success and effectiveness. I think placing that kind of champion in Bilgewater, and playing up the sewer-rat/street-urchin theme would be really cool.

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