What if Vel'Koz had a "Watcher" skin?

YumaS2Astral·Dec 8, 2015·11 votes·1,904 views

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I am saying that because once, when Vel'Koz was released, there was some speculation that he was one of the Watchers mentioned in Lissandra's lore. Then Riot came and said that Vel'Koz is NOT a Watcher.

But they left a quote "there can be Void portals on Freljord" leading to the speculation that the Watchers and the Void CAN be related even though the Watchers are not voidborns.

That said, what if Vel'Koz had a skin that made him a watcher? I had this idea by looking at the above image on Bard's promo, a image of a watcher, which bears some similarity to Vel'Koz or a voidborn. A skin does not necessarily need to tie to the lore, so it's not like Vel'Koz would need to be changed into a Watcher with such skin. He could have ice/ice ray-themed particles, and even have a new VO with quotes directed to champions from Freljord.

What do you think of this idea?

44 Comments

FasmodeyDec 8, 20152 votes

Why not Watcher champion? It's better imo.

LaoBushidoDec 8, 20151 votes

Bad idea as riot said vel is not a watcher.. In terms of race. They said that a void portal was there to let us know that void creatures have more than just the shurima portal

MisterHealYoGirlDec 8, 20151 votes

I mean, neither is Poppy from Noxus; the whole point of a skin is to present an alternate reality. Vel'Koz COULD have been a Watcher.

LaoBushidoDec 8, 20151 votes

That is completely different ! affiliation is different than race, and the watchers are a race. Changing giving vel a watcher skin is the same as giving a yodel a human skin

MisterHealYoGirlDec 8, 20152 votes

Or like giving Anivia a Robot skin? http://lolskingenerator.com/Skins/Anivia/Anivia_4.jpg

Or like Hecarim getting a forest spirit skin? http://lolskingenerator.com/Skins/Hecarim/Hecarim_5.jpg

Or like Kog'Maw getting literally any skin except his Sonoran one?

Or Thresh being a deep-sea monster?

It's just a matter of degree of change.

LaoBushidoDec 8, 20151 votes

Any one can go full robot,(Although ekko might disagree)

Spirt to sprit is not that far off tbh

All skin reflect an alternate reality that is not the the issue here. Riot has stated that void creatures are not watchers, and that watchers are their own beings, riot has never don't a skin that changes race! Power origin and handling has been done such as void bringing illaoi and any arch light skins, become a robot or cyborg is not that big of a theme change.

As you didn't state any Specific kog skin I can't speak on that one too much the only on that comes to mind that is not a robot is monarch and that could just be if kog was a void butterfly hell who's to say he is not one right now.

The deep sea thresh can be if he got his power similar to naut instead of the blessed isles incident

BoulderoxDec 8, 20151 votes

ok then how about the justicar line/archlight, by your logic changing aatrox from a being of war and blood and violence, to this vindicator of good and holy is not something he is, changing his identity. These skins give them a GODLY spin on them, and in some cases, the watchers are "gods" because they gave the powers of ice to the 3 iceborn sisters. having a skin that takes from the idea of watchers, such as iceborn velkoz, having the hints at them while making him simular?

LaoBushidoDec 8, 20151 votes

Those 2 skin lines are not connected first of all, arclrclight is to reflect if their power sources are "light" if the void was a realm of light arc light vel exist . I'd the bow varus obtained was light forcused arc light varus exist . On the judicar line aatrox only craves destruction as such he takes the place of deamon and hero so much is said in his lore to those that view him as a hero that is how judicar aatrox appears. Can thier be an iceborn vel kog absolutely ! Living being who get powers from the watchers have become iceborn such as the 3 sisters. Can vel be a watcher no! His power of disintegration don't fit the theme nor does his personally but the biggest issue is that he is voidborn a completely different race

MorcleonDec 8, 20151 votes

Of course Vel'koz can be a watcher. It's an alternate reality where, rather than born of the void, he was one of the watchers instead. It takes less suspension of disbelief than Cryocore Brand does.

LaoBushidoDec 8, 20151 votes

He becomes a being of ice over fire elemental change done a lot done before , give me one example where race was changed based on established races in league

Little Stick ManDec 9, 20152 votes

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He becomes a being of ice over fire elemental change done a lot done before , give me one example where race was changed based on established races in league

vi's demon skin

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

fair point. while i do think it is a bit too generic like the fish and other things talked about here that is a fair point. +1 if you can find another i will happily delete all my post here as away to submit a watcher vel kogz is remotely possible. as a side not void skins are out of the running as void skins are to represent a person entering the void a taks that has not been done by any champ in leage. it also has to make scene thematically (referring to human ryze not witch is more or less a naming error)

Little Stick ManDec 9, 20151 votes

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fair point. while i do think it is a bit too generic like the fish and other things talked about here that is a fair point. +1 if you can find another i will happily delete all my post here as away to submit a watcher vel kogz is remotely possible. as a side not void skins are out of the running as void skins are to represent a person entering the void a taks that has not been done by any champ in leage. it also has to make scene thematically (referring to human ryze not witch is more or less a naming error)

hyena warwick maybe he goes to another species kinda, or sasquatch nunu, maybe sandscourge skarner he goes from rocks to a normal, giant scorpion. human ryze and alien invader hiemer too

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

ww lore states he becomes a beast while looking for immortality still in the filine family here. yeti is a type of big foot and sasquaatch is essualy a brown yeti ether way not referred to in any lores , sand scoyrce goes back to the elemental point i brought up human ryze if refering to the color of his skin as ryze IS confirmed to be human. and no other aliens exsit excluding void if we are including void then this would got to the void illaoi and fizz point i said in my post

Little Stick ManDec 9, 20151 votes

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ww lore states he becomes a beast while looking for immortality still in the filine family here. yeti is a type of big foot and sasquaatch is essualy a brown yeti ether way not referred to in any lores , sand scoyrce goes back to the elemental point i brought up human ryze if refering to the color of his skin as ryze IS confirmed to be human. and no other aliens exsit excluding void if we are including void then this would got to the void illaoi and fizz point i said in my post

are there any demons confirmed in lore? I cant remember reading about any

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

TahmKench job and race is demon

MorcleonDec 9, 20151 votes

Leopard Nidalee Alien Invader Heimerdinger Poro Rider Sejuani Giant Enemy Crabgot Blood Moon Zilean

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

simular to the ww issue i explored, explained still human still "human" how ionia views zil

MorcleonDec 9, 20151 votes

At the point, I'm convinced you're just trolling, so I'm gonna drop it, because nothing is accepted by your ridiculously strict requirements.

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

not trolling, looking ether to be proven wrong or get a red response. what strict requirement? a champ of one in game race will not be made into another. there are no yourdle skins there are no human skin (for non human)

MisterHealYoGirlDec 9, 20151 votes

Kog'Maw's skins portray him as a caterpillar a butterfly a stylized lion puppet an anglerfish a skeleton. None of which smack of 'void puppy'.

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

he's not a human , not a yordle, least of not a watcher

MisterHealYoGirlDec 9, 20151 votes

But the whole point is that, in this alternate reality, he IS. That's a design space that skins are free to explore.

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

then why aren't there a human kog or a yordle kog skins.....my point is not to limit creative freedom of skins im simply stating that riot has not in the past done a skin on the type that the op has stated one where a game race (voidborn) has been changed with another game race (watcher). i have person problems with the skin concept as well such as it not making since thematically as velkog would not give ice powers to some one even if he was ice themed. i think a watcher champ is coming soontm

MrSlowDieDec 9, 20151 votes

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then why aren't there a human kog or a yordle kog skins.....my point is not to limit creative freedom of skins im simply stating that riot has not in the past done a skin on the type that the op has stated one where a game race (voidborn) has been changed with another game race (watcher). i have person problems with the skin concept as well such as it not making since thematically as velkog would not give ice powers to some one even if he was ice themed. i think a watcher champ is coming soontm

because human kog and yordle kog won't sell. it's even hard to imagine how human kog looks like.

cass is not siren as I recall. Nor do cho gath is monster loch ness. I haven't read karthus' lore but I am sure he isn't a statue. Vi is a human too, not demon. Malzahar is not djinn, etc

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

as explained above void fizz and viod illaoi represent what happens if some one goes into the void and comes back, no other base champs looks like that becasue no champs have gone into the void and back, please note i am also not saying human kog would sell well nor that a watcher vel would not sell well, my point is there are no president of this happening, this being a change in RACES ESTABLISHED BY THE LORE

MrSlowDieDec 9, 20151 votes

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as explained above void fizz and viod illaoi represent what happens if some one goes into the void and comes back, no other base champs looks like that becasue no champs have gone into the void and back, please note i am also not saying human kog would sell well nor that a watcher vel would not sell well, my point is there are no president of this happening, this being a change in RACES ESTABLISHED BY THE LORE

my post have been edited. re-read it again.

you didn't say human kog will sell well. you asked why there's no human kog. I said because it won't sell well

beside, riot has detach the game from the lore. so I don't see the reason why it can't be

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

those were rhetorical questions in regards to the post i replied to, in regards to your examples excluding vi those other races do not exist in the games lore, that is the core of my reason on this topic watcher is a race made by riot's narrative team as it has be stated that the watchers are not voidborn. as for the detached lore thing only the league and summoners (us) don't exist any interactions in lore world will have an affect on the game world such as sun glasses. or the Rengar Khazix and Ashe Sejuani Lissandra events

MrSlowDieDec 9, 20151 votes

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those were rhetorical questions in regards to the post i replied to, in regards to your examples excluding vi those other races do not exist in the games lore, that is the core of my reason on this topic watcher is a race made by riot's narrative team as it has be stated that the watchers are not voidborn. as for the detached lore thing only the league and summoners (us) don't exist any interactions in lore world will have an affect on the game world such as sun glasses. or the and events

cass was a fkin human. Chogath is a voidborn not a myth creature that dwells in lochness lake, there's no lochness lake in LoL universe. Karthus, probably a spirit, or what but definitely not a statue. They made the skin just because karthus looks like a liberty statue. Malzahar I don't know, but he isn't not a djinn.

in game events are just for fun. the core game has nothing to do with lore. Why should two rivals in the same side? Because it's just a game. Skins have nothing to do with lore either. Like "hey guys this is a dragon trainer trist which is an alternate universe bla2" Hell no. They made it just because it's cute and will sell well.

and FYI riot has no narrative team. where were you?

and you are just making excuse. "Vel'koz isn't watchers, it won't happen". Meanwhile "Oh demon vi is a demon, well I'll let it slide,now give me more examples" like wtf?

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

I'm excluding that one because I explained above it too generic a concept (demons and angels are in like every game) but riot has made a demon race.... And riot does have A narrative team

MrSlowDieDec 9, 20151 votes

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I'm excluding that one because I explained above it too generic a concept (demons and angels are in like every game) but riot has made a demon race.... And riot does have A narrative team

facepalm you just want to make excuse. You just want to win. If kogmaw have a human skin in the future, you'll say "human are in like every game, but riot has made a human race".

let me summarize what excuse you have made here.

everyone can be robot (yes, a robot in frejlord perhaps?)

spirit to forest spirit is not that far. (wtf)

Thresh get naut's power (wait, you are making your own lore? Do you think the skin team thought the same when making his skin? No, they make it just because it's cool)

if void is a realm of light. (you can make 'if void (total nothingness including light) is a realm of light', but can't make 'if velkoz born as watcher instead of void'?)

ww is a fine family (lol, ww is a man and wolf. wolf and hyena are different family. hyena is in Hyaenidae and wolf is in canidae. They are in the same order. And race is far below order. Race -> Species -> Genus -> Family -> Order)

the race is not exist in lore. (like what? karthus has no race? statue doesn't exist in LoL universe? Maybe its an own race of malphite and his relatives)

it's a generic concept (wtf)

no they don't have one. The champion team is the narrative team. They make a champion concept, and then talk about how s/he should look like and the lore will be. The closest "narrative team" is the one that make video, comic, mini game, etc. Well, they are required to make a proposal of new champion, but as said above concept (gameplay) first, if it's accepted the whole team start to think about how the lore and physical appearance.

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

first off a few narrative team members that have nothing to do with champ design http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/Jaredan http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/WAAARGHbobo http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/FauxSchizzle

nunu bot and pretty shue anvia has a robot skin as well. hell even kayle has a cybernetics in her ultimate

elemental change for both the threah skin and velkog witch i talked about above

turning NON HUMANS into humans is not generic i have said using kog as an example that would be proof that riot would do something like that

what i mean by generic is the applying of something seen in every game categories include robots or cybernetics, angels and demon, ghost.

Tahm kenceh is a resent addition to the lore who is a demon in rank and job, as demons are generic used in many game as a synonym for "evil" kinda like affiliation change (noxus poppy) i consider that skin an exception.

MrSlowDieDec 9, 20151 votes

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first off a few narrative team members that have nothing to do with champ design http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/Jaredan http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/WAAARGHbobo http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/FauxSchizzle

nunu bot and pretty shue anvia has a robot skin as well. hell even kayle has a cybernetics in her ultimate

elemental change for both the threah skin and velkog witch i talked about above

turning NON HUMANS into humans is not generic i have said using kog as an example that would be proof that riot would do something like that

what i mean by generic is the applying of something seen in every game categories include robots or cybernetics, angels and demon, ghost.

Tahm kenceh is a resent addition to the lore who is a demon in rank and job, as demons are generic used in many game as a synonym for "evil" kinda like affiliation change (noxus poppy) i consider that skin an exception.

http://www.riotgames.com/careers/25957 "Help conceptualize and guide proposals for new characters within existing IPs" "Own major creative areas such as the creative process for conceptualizing new champions in League of Legends"

yeah you talked about how thresh get I don't know how get naut bla2 and bla2 elementar that turned to bla2 which is clearly your personal interpretation that the skins team never thought about.

when people ask star guardian jinx riot just "yeah we really like something different bla2". They don't say "Oh yeah it's quite possible since we can make an alternate universe or element shift bla2"

duh every game? Can you list every game with an in-game character that were human and turned into demon?

and do you think that skins team have some restriction like "it should be generic" or whatever? What prove? I don't think turning spirit into statue is generic.

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

the term "generic" is only in reference to the common demons and angels trope many rpg and mmos use that is all! it just so happens that league has a demon race thus making it a small contradiction to my argument. i have never put a generic restriction as you are implying i have. they use many alternate reality that the skin team uses such power origins (or elemental changes) (crio ) or different fraction interpretation (blood moon) or real world imagination (academy), so on and so fort. My argument is that they will not as they have not (excluding demon vi , as the skin fall into a demon trope) make a champion of one race and portray it as another (an example of such would be a yordle skin of a non yordle champion) the kog argument used here was in reference to a person who listed all of kog's skins. any reply i have put above is in reference why the skins used as examples do not fall into the category of a race change. I brought up the narrative team as they are the team that set the boundaries of what races are in league.

MisterHealYoGirlDec 9, 20151 votes

Human Kog'Maw or Yordle skins haven't been done because they wouldn't read; you wouldn't be able to tell that it's Kog'Maw or whoever, and it would be confusing. Vel'Koz more or less resembles a Watcher already, so he would read.

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

once again they were rhetorical questions in response to the post above. the only reason their comparison is subject to debate is the door on the murder bridge. the watcher has 6 arms the 3 edges that arguably do not move, and the icon in the chest region is not an eye, put on paper not much readable there ether

MisterHealYoGirlDec 9, 20152 votes

You're telling me that this purple shape wouldn't be readable as Vel'Koz? http://i.imgur.com/OarFI9x.gif

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

First off that is a one dimension representation , it would be about the same as a turret walking around and calling it leblac. Yes they look similar I know this that's why I pointed that out as why their is a skin debate in the first play but that icon does not show the entirety of the being like the head or arms

MisterHealYoGirlDec 9, 20151 votes

Sure, comparing LeBlanc to an armored knight with a warhammer is about on the same level as comparing two triangular creatures with an eye in the center of their bodies and three tentacles. Look, this debate is clearly going nowhere. I think you're wrong, you think I'm wrong, and clearly nothing we say is going to convince each other otherwise. Can we just be content to disagree?

LaoBushidoDec 9, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdPQeI_TJVk my point of reference for Leblanc

i have not problems with agree to disagree with those who ask.

Bootleg GayDec 8, 20151 votes

You don't know how long I've been waiting for this!

PuynsiDec 9, 20151 votes

Because vel is not a watcher for starters, and unlike other anti-tematic skins like aatrox vindicator, those have no lore to back them up while a watcher skin has a lot of lore to redo.