She is the Elephant in the Room of LoL, not Annie like other user suggested some time ago.
Kitsuki0548 votesAlternatively, it could be that people just love to have something to hate, and if it weren't riven it'd be Master Yi, or Vayne, or pretty much any champion in the game. (Hence why people also add on "Next disable blaa!")
MohawkBird32 votes[deleted]
RetroRage9614 votesor pretty much any champion in the game
MohawkBird21 votes[deleted]
InVeRnyak020 votesHuge bear biting u... What do u expect? Heal? 
AFK Push2 votes
Taarki3 votesWell I guess voli is the only champ in the game that can build FULL TANK and still bite another champion for 1k+ damage.
Hilltop Sunset11 votes
You wot?
LegionaireVIX2 votesYeah, except Bro'gath
AFK Push5 votes It's like nobody knows he was released lol.
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Downfall3 votesBetter Nerf 
Kappa
FyshinaTux28 votesThe issue with riven is the combination of insane mobility (Q), CC (W), Damage, An execute, and NO RESOURCE to deal with.
For people saying that her "resource" is her CDs, they're fairly spammable even without CDR...
So basically, if she gets even REMOTELY ahead, you can't run from her due to the mobility and cc, and you can't out-trade her because of her damage, and you will likely die, because once she hits 6 she has an execute.
[expletive] Riven... She can just stay perma-disabled in my opinion.
MalzaharAnyLane13 votesStop beating the dead horse.
Her kit is objectively overloaded, no reason to keep listing why. Just celebrate.
Guy Fox Teemo3 votesIf she had to use mana, her abilities would need some pretty big buffs. As they're actually pretty weak, early-mid game in terms of ratios and base damages, but since they can be spammed cause no resource it makes up for it. ( I know you won't believe me but it's true.)
FyshinaTux6 votesYou're forgetting the damage she gets from her Passive... aren't you?
The abilities themselves are lacking MAYBE... but the passive MORE than makes up for that.
Guy Fox Teemo3 votesYes, if you spend 6 seconds using all the autos, for it , then yes the damage from her passive will make it for it, and then if you had mana, you would pretty much be at zero after all that :D,
Auz the Ripper6 votesYou're assuming the riven can't animation cancel It's closer to 2-3 second to use the charges of her passive on a competent riven player
Downfall3 votesYeah due to animation cancelling it only takes a riven as long as it takes to get off her 3 q's to get off her 3 autos
Silents42925 votes
- Most of the playerbase hate ther
No, A select few people on THIS forum hate her. (200 people pales in comparison to 67million)
- She deserves a real nerf/rework but for some reason Riot hasn't did that yet
Not going to argue on her balanced nature, but this doesn't mean she deserves anything.
- Only ones who like Riven are her "mains" (which I doubt that there are that much since some people just "main" her for the free elo)
Isn't this true about any champion? Apart from champions you are working to buy, I never see people just like other champions they don't play, I for one only like the champions I main, and hate the rest, it's not unreasonable to assume this is how it is for most people.
I even witness people rage at champions they main.
- There IS a problem with Riven, which most people refuse to acknowledge
I somewhat doubt anyone refuses to acknowledge anything given she is one of those champions that people find fun to bash. Along with Zed who for a long time was considered weak until his rise in popularity, where suddenly everyone is okay with champions being gutted as long as they don't like them.
But go ahead and keep trying to encourage the idiotic behavior these boards are known for.
Mandang08 votesNow, just put aside all personal stake and ask yourself a question: Do you think this forum would be as excited if it was a different champion? If not, then why not?
If Riot said instead that Ashe or Ahri or Annie were disabled, would we see this much enthusiasm? No, and yet all of those champions are very competitive right now. It's not just those champions' mains vs everyone, as you're implying, but instead most players don't actively dislike Ashe/Ahri/Annie. You're right that assuming something's true for everyone is wrong, yet I think it's clear this isn't true for every champion, and it's not just something as simple as pickrate/winrate skewing this - it comes down to how it feels to play against certain champions' kits. This is also a matter of opinion, but it's one where a lot of people seem to agree that Riven isn't fun to play against, much more than would agree on other champions.
pastagay2 votesNow, just put aside all personal stake and ask yourself a question: Do you think this forum would be as excited if it was a different champion? If not, then why not?
If Riot said instead that Ashe or Ahri or Annie were disabled, would we see this much enthusiasm? No, and yet all of those champions are very competitive right now. It's not just those champions' mains vs everyone, as you're implying, but instead most players don't actively dislike Ashe/Ahri/Annie. You're right that assuming something's true for everyone is wrong, yet I think it's clear this isn't true for every champion, and it's not just something as simple as pickrate/winrate skewing this - it comes down to how it feels to play against certain champions' kits. This is also a matter of opinion, but it's one where a lot of people seem to agree that Riven isn't fun to play against, much more than would agree on other champions.
You would have a perfectly good point...
but FUCK ANNIE.
Mandang03 votesHonestly, I was just picking "A" names. How about Alistar for a support in her place?
toxıc sIut5 votesThis. All of my this.
Why can't people wake the fuck up? They think that if 200 people on boards (a place that ATTRACTS the kind of people who want their (usually radical) opinions heard) means the whole community agrees.
That's like less thatn 0.0001% of the community. And, as any statistician would say, that sample size is way too fuckin' small.
Lord Ðaríus4 votes"a select few" thats why there is like a thread who ask to delete riven at 200+ upvotes lmao
My Name Is Jeƒf3 votes"a select few" thats why there is like a thread who ask to delete riven at 200+ upvotes lmao
plenty people couldn't care less about those 200+ upvotes and that's miniscule to the millions of players, they probably don't understand how to outplay...
1Maza3 votesNo, A select few people on THIS forum hate her. (200 people pales in comparison to 67million)
Not going to argue on her balanced nature, but this doesn't mean she deserves anything.
Isn't this true about any champion? Apart from champions you are working to buy, I never see people just like other champions they don't play, I for one only like the champions I main, and hate the rest, it's not unreasonable to assume this is how it is for most people.
I even witness people rage at champions they main.
I somewhat doubt anyone refuses to acknowledge anything given she is one of those champions that people find fun to bash. Along with Zed who for a long time was considered weak until his rise in popularity, where suddenly everyone is okay with champions being gutted as long as they don't like them.
But go ahead and keep trying to encourage the idiotic behavior these boards are known for.
How many people play Riven? Take that number away from 67 million and that's how many hate her. And I, along with plenty of people I'm sure, love a lot of champions I don't play. I love Lee Sin and Rengar, I'm bad at both. I love Heimerdinger (as hated as he is) and even lov playing against Heimerdinger because it's usually an easy farm lane. I don't play Donger just because I know people hate him and I don't wanna ruin anyone's experience. So no, you don't have to play a champion to love them, let alone main one. Riven's kit is stupid. She's universally hated because she's terribly designed, just like Hekko, just like Satan, just like Badimir. She needs to either be reworked or nerfed super hard until a rework can happen.
Silents4292 votesWell her playrate is 13% so thats about 8,710,000 people that play her.
But I mean it's safe to assume 87% of players hate her right? Because it makes your argument seem any more reasonable?
I mean some people on the boards hate her she must be terribly designed afterall, it's the only logical solution.
Mr Broken Wings13 votesThe problem is that she is a low elo stomper and so she gets a lot of hate, kinda like the hate on akali / leblanc. Thats all. People are bad and get mad because of that. If you are actually any decent you win that lane with a lot of matchups. ( I really never have a problem when I have to face her in my elo at all)
NemeBro15 votes[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iMI1PtVH,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2015-07-16T00:59:39.382+0000)
The problem is that she is a low elo stomper and so she gets a lot of hate, kinda like the hate on akali / leblanc. Thats all. People are bad and get mad because of that. If you are actually any decent you win that lane with a lot of matchups. ( I really never have a problem when I have to face her in my elo at all)
Her win rate is actually better in plat and up than it is in bronze or silver, IIRC. Probably because she has a pretty high skill cap.
I think people would have a lot less trouble with Riven if they weren't so afraid of her though. She's strong, but perfectly manageable. Some people won't stop crying about her until she's as bad as Elise.
Anidan6 votesPeople will cry even when she's as bad as Elise. Proof: people did cry when she was considered crappy, and now that the nerfs have gone full-circle she's good again and so she gets more people complaining, just like every other champion considered good. It's just some of the League community, man.
I hate to say it, but sometimes seeing these boards it makes me really happy to see that Riot tends not to listen to most of the people on them. I'm not even saying this just about Riven, either. There are a lot of champions the community would see gutted or removed if it was their game. Most of the roster, it seems. The only ones that would escape that list are.... well... uhm... Vel'koz maybe? The list is short is what I'm saying.
Cloud Potato8 votesAnyone who's been on the forums for some time has been through the Riven hate several times, and as such have had their opinions on her galvanized. It's one of the oldest circlejerks, and even now still sticks around (no pun intended).
Anyways, Riven's kit has a simple design. She has her mobility tied to her damage and survivability, so she must use her abilities wisely to get the most out of her kit. Whether against melee or ranged, she doesn't have a flowchart to follow in order to win and can be exploited as her damage takes time to come out. There are three things that break her, and each one revolves around a simple fact: if Riven is able to bypass any part of her damage combo, her counterplay significantly drops. This is due to her massive shield and multiple CCs. Riven is only balancable around a long-term damage paradigm, which is why she snowballs so hard when she gets ahead. These are the three main culprits that cause this:
First is that her passive is the only part of her kit that has counterplay. Q, W, and R to an extent are fast and unavoidable. The only part of Riven's damage that has counterplay is the speed of her basic attacks being slow (as mentioned above). This means that if Riven wants to kill opponents better, the passive is the first thing to go. But it's the only thing holding her counterplay together, so the moment Riven can cut out a basic attack from her combo, her counterplay significantly drops.
Second is the animation cancel. Riven will pretty much never build Attack Speed, which means that use of her passive takes time. If she burns all her Qs straight away she has to spend several seconds attacking as a squishy melee, and if she uses her Q between basic attacks. Either way, there is a lot of time to react to her and fight back. The animation cancel she has lets her put out damage much faster, which leaves much less of a window to fight or flight.
Last is her R. R gives a massive damage boost as well as a ranged AoE execute. The amount of damage that it gives is ridiculous, as is befitting an ult. But, the amount of power it gives makes Riven incredibly binary. If Riven is capable of killing people without R, then R allows her to kill people with too much counterplay removed. If Riven needs R to kill, then she is too weak without it and is too easily exploited. Riven needs to be able to fight people all of the time because she is squishy and completely melee. Her R does not fit with her kit at all.
tl;dr, the problems Riven's balance faces are as such:
Riven only has counterplay when she must use her passive stacks to kill Riven must be able to fight her opponent all of the time, or she will be binary
These are the things that break the first one:
Getting ahead enough to kill with less basic attacks Animation cancelling significantly reducing basic attack time R's raw power
The second is broken by getting too far behind, as she cannot farm safely.
This leads me to a simple conclusion: Riven needs one of her abilities removed and replaced with an ability that has counterplay, and it needs to be a significant part of her damage output. This will prevent her from facerolling over people when ahead, since this will let opponents always be able to fight back at her. As for which ability, W is the most boring of her abilities and is a prime candidate, but her R is very problematic to balance and might be a better choice. Either way, numbers on her other abilities will likely need changing as well, but a new ability will put her in a much better place for balancing.
Zair Umbras9 votesWhat in the ever living fuck are you talking about? Her Q doesn't go off quick at all and you can knock her back, stun her, or otherwise CC her in any way to stop her and she gets boned. All but, like, one of her counters has something very specific.... CC. Garen has his 2.5s silence, Ren has a 1.75s stun, Nasus's W screws her so hard it's not even funny, Jax has a stun, Sion has a slow/Armor reducer and two different knock ups on top of his shield.... I mean, Riven's main thing is about getting off her damage as fast as possible. If you delay it, knock her away, or make it to where she can't get to her target easily without having to waste a chunk of her 13s CD Q (Which is the same at all ranks, only reduced by CDR), she becomes useless.
The issue people have with her is that they go non-tankyish tops or top laners with limited CC if any at all, then they feed. Some people also have issues with her because their top went with a squishy or CC-lacking top laner, so that person fed the Riven REALLY hard and now Riven is 1v5'ing because she's 10/0, but people don't accept the fact that a 10/0 burst champ with some CC can 1v5.
Another issue is people rushing damage trying to out damage her. It's hilarious. You'll see that idiot Yasuo top or a Rumble who rushes a Rylai's or Liandry's or even a Renekton rushing pure damage when losing trades. You gotta be able to survive her burst. She's more of an Assassin than a fighter. She BURSTS. If you survive it, you can then punish her HORRIFICALLY. Her biggest counter is Garen. Why? Because he not only reduces the damage of her burst with the press of a button, but he can also STOP HER COMBO. IF you can interrupt the combo or survive it, you win. GG. Riven just lost lane, now she's USELESS for the entire game.
She isn't Fiora who can just dash to a front liner, then to a squishy, AA once or twice then press R to avoid any and all counterplay. She's not Tryn who doesn't care about anything for 5s. She's not Talon with an invis. She's not Yi with untargetability. She's closer to Rengar. She jumps in, aims to kill a target, now she's in the middle of your team waiting at least 6s for her Q (Max CDR puts it at about 7.8s CD). You have all the time in the world to kill her.
More importantly, people hate her because her, Jax, Fiora, Yi, and Tryn are all the pubstomps of Blindpick. 'Cause let's face it... In Draft/Ranked, you can get an Alistar and make her hate her life. She gets close, you Q and then W her away. Pretty easy stuff. Thresh's E works well for it too as does a Syndra E. Knock backs make Assassins cry in a corner.
Cloud Potato1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zair Umbras,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iMI1PtVH,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2015-07-16T05:53:20.915+0000)
What in the ever living fuck are you talking about? Her Q doesn't go off quick at all and you can knock her back, stun her, or otherwise CC her in any way to stop her and she gets boned. All but, like, one of her counters has something very specific.... CC. Garen has his 2.5s silence, Ren has a 1.75s stun, Nasus's W screws her so hard it's not even funny, Jax has a stun, Sion has a slow/Armor reducer and two different knock ups on top of his shield.... I mean, Riven's main thing is about getting off her damage as fast as possible. If you delay it, knock her away, or make it to where she can't get to her target easily without having to waste a chunk of her 13s CD Q (Which is the same at all ranks, only reduced by CDR), she becomes useless.
Q not quick? it's less than half a second per jump. Yes, she's vulnerable to hard CC, like any squishy champion would be. But needing hard CC in order to not get killed is bad game design. If you're facing a champion who can interrupt you, then you need to use the mobility on E more carefully in order to fight against it. It doesn't work every time, but if it did, it'd be broken.
The issue people have with her is that they go non-tankyish tops or top laners with limited CC if any at all, then they feed. Some people also have issues with her because their top went with a squishy or CC-lacking top laner, so that person fed the Riven REALLY hard and now Riven is 1v5'ing because she's 10/0, but people don't accept the fact that a 10/0 burst champ with some CC can 1v5.
I don't really care why people complain about her, I just care if the complaints are valid. Sure, some people are mad that when they're losing that they can't adjust to playing more defensively, but I don't give a shit about them.
Another issue is people rushing damage trying to out damage her. It's hilarious. You'll see that idiot Yasuo top or a Rumble who rushes a Rylai's or Liandry's or even a Renekton rushing pure damage when losing trades. You gotta be able to survive her burst. She's more of an Assassin than a fighter. She BURSTS. If you survive it, you can then punish her HORRIFICALLY. Her biggest counter is Garen. Why? Because he not only reduces the damage of her burst with the press of a button, but he can also STOP HER COMBO. IF you can interrupt the combo or survive it, you win. GG. Riven just lost lane, now she's USELESS for the entire game.
Riven bursting isn't healthy. She can CC lock you and shield incoming damage. And if she dies when unable to kill someone, that's also unhealthy. Whether you win or lose should not be determined by numbers alone.
She isn't Fiora who can just dash to a front liner, then to a squishy, AA once or twice then press R to avoid any and all counterplay. She's not Tryn who doesn't care about anything for 5s. She's not Talon with an invis. She's not Yi with untargetability. She's closer to Rengar. She jumps in, aims to kill a target, now she's in the middle of your team waiting at least 6s for her Q (Max CDR puts it at about 7.8s CD). You have all the time in the world to kill her.
Teamfights are a different issue entirely. Melee champions being balanced around teamfights is what led to the 'Fighter Problem' in the first place. My analysis was to address laning in particular.
More importantly, people hate her because her, Jax, Fiora, Yi, and Tryn are all the pubstomps of Blindpick. 'Cause let's face it... In Draft/Ranked, you can get an Alistar and make her hate her life. She gets close, you Q and then W her away. Pretty easy stuff. Thresh's E works well for it too as does a Syndra E. Knock backs make Assassins cry in a corner.
She's a good pubstomper because being strong removes her counterplay. I'd also like for the champs you mentioned to get changed as well for numerous reasons. Plus, counterpicking those champions would hurt healthy Assassins far harder than any of the ones you mentioned.
Zair Umbras2 votesEvery game... requires you... to CC a burst champ.. So.. they don't burst. 0.o That's pretty normal. I mean, LB can do it without having to worry about being CC'd. Talon can easily burst a carry while also going invisible at the end of his combo, or do it at the beginning so he can get to his target without any kind of warning and VERY limited counterplay. You can see Riven coming from a mile away. Her mobility is part of her damage and her defense. If you have to use your damage to get to a target, just to get CC'd, well, now you've got no damage, no more mobility, nothin'. You're a sitting duck.
As for CC locking. LOL. Her W is a .75s stun, that with merc treads in lane you can practically ignore. Her Q's knock up is also around .5-.75s, totaling 1.5s if she times it PERFECTLY, which means she's not unloading her kit all at once. If you're 'CC Locked' by 1.5s max of CC, well... I don't know how to help you because most champions can do a lot more than 1.5s. Hell, Garen's Q is 2.5s, Ren's W is 1.75 with 50 fury, Nasus's W may as well be a stun, Elise's E is becoming 1.6s at base, Gnar's W is a 1.25 stun in MEga and R is 1.25-1.75... I mean, Riven's CC isn't exactly much when compared to every other fighter's CC with the exception of Jax who's stun is only 1s, but he also gets huge defense and his main form of CC is Death. By that, I mean he usually kills you faster than Riven while sustaining harder than Riven.
SladeXD7 votesI play Riven once in a blue moon but I have no issues with her. She's fine to me.
toxıc sIut7 votesmost of the playerbase?
hahahahahaha good one. boards and reddit are less that 10% of the total community. Just because other vocal asshats agree with you doesn't mean everyone does. Any poll you put up on a forum will be super biased because these platforms naturally attract people who want people to hear their shitty opinions.
Transgressor3 votesIf you were a grill I'd marry you. It's like you shoved your hand inside my brain and forcefully dragged my opinion out, slapped it in the ass and then hanged it out to dry.
I like it.
Auz the Ripper3 votesThat's a little..... Graphic
Slamurai Jack6 votesOf course people are glad she's disabled. She's a really frustrating champion to play against with a stereotype of being played by arrogant raging children. If only they could discover a Vayne bug too.
TheI3igDaddy5 votesXypherous (I think that's how you spell it, anyway) said some time after Riven's release that he regretted her kit.
Now I don't have sources to back me up, as I believe I read it on the forum a while back, but that should give you a bit more insight if it's true.
Riven's only fun for the person playing her. For enemies it's a headache in that you simply CAN'T feed her or she'll wipe the floor with half of your team before she finally drops (if she does at all).
Lugg4 votesThat is the problem with Riot, they release champions that have EVERYTHING in their kit. For a champion to have that and even be close to balanced, they have to be the jack of all trades and master of none, which would make them underpowered.
MohawkBird2 votes[deleted]
Lugg1 votesThresh would be fine if he didn't do 1k auto attacks late game.
Neo Cyrus4 votesKeep posting on your lvl 8 smurf so people don't see you're Bronze 5 with MMR next to 0.
IcyPepper3 votesI don't know. I don't really hate Riven (her kit could use a rework, but my feelings for her is just light teasing) or the likes of Annie, but I think there's just a few problem champions in the game. Both of them could use a little examination, and I'm not talking about numbers.
BlunterMonk3 votesEveryone forgets that Riot balances champions based on Diamond+ players. Most people in the higher ranks know how to beat Riven, or at least not get curb stomped by her.
Kuroi861 votesMost of the playerbase hate ther
Bruiser and tank mains typically don't care about Riven. Guessing you've a lot of squishy players in these forums.
YumaS2Astral1 votesBruiser and tank mains typically don't care about Riven. Guessing you've a lot of squishy players in these forums.
I am actually a bruiser/tank main and I hate her so much.