Thoughts on Concept and Creation Board and The Idea of "New Champion Threads"

Azeranth·8/17/2016, 8:19:51 PM·11 votes·2,785 views

Hello, I am a most definitely NOT famous person here on the boards, but I would both like to change this and share my opinions in a comprehensible format regardless.

Welcome to the MEGA Thread I hope to create Concerning The very Board sub-directory you are in. This Thread is about a few things but they are pretty much the same group of issues.

The C&C board is really neat. I like it and see really cool things on it all the time, however there is a lot of not cool things I see on it even more frequently. Those things include

1.) People Advertising their "MLG Clickbait 1v5 Fiora, Must see giveaway" videos on here. There is a perhaps more lax moderation on the part of the Rioters for this corner of the Boards, or maybe its just not a problem worth solving to them. But it peeves me to no end. Sure, you "created" a video and you're sharing it with the community but its not what this is here for. This is here for you to share what you think is for the game. This is for people who want to try and add to the game not make money off it. A simple solution, if Riot wants to open the floodgates on all that stuff either allow it in Art, where all the Cosplay, Sculptures, and other "creations" go, or just make a separate place to put it so that C&C is less of a joke

Edit: Apparently this is a wrong opinion, but it does still bother me to see stream ads and YouTube videos buying good work.

2.) Quality Control. Here on the Boards, we are a forum. A large open space for anyone to speak their mind and be heard by those who will listen. we in C&C have the fortunate blessing of being the location that good ideas go to Flourish and bloom, free of all the griping, whining, advertising, and Artwork to dilute the waters. Its a bit of a mess here unfortunately and often the good ideas end up buried under a mountain of unplanned, hastily constructed, irrational...trash. SOOOOO many good ideas come here half completed, and because of this, the frustration of constantly having your own ideas shot down, having trouble seeing other peoples visions, and having trouble getting to people who will listen makes the community difficult and unenjoyable. I wish with all my heart I could just see every thread about a new champion Idea, balance suggestion, addition to Queue functionality, stat calculation tweaks after only 30 minutes more thought or commitment to the idea about how it would work, what it would do, why its good for the game. Just making higher quality things that will be more attractive to onlookers and make us a bit more useful. Earlier today I read about a really neat idea for a champion. I could tell the person went "Oh this would be so neat, a champion who did This, This, and this." but when it came to explaining it and making a thread to get feedback they rushed and it sounded poorly thought and made the original idea seem really unattractive.

3.) Community togetherness. I think Memes & Games is honestly the best example of what each sub-directory. Its fun, their are pseudo leaders of the community, people actually have fun and it lives up to what you would expect to get when you go there. Memes and Games. I would like to see the same kind of continuous feedback and contribution to each other here. When someone makes a post, the community should help them. They shouldn't slander them or ignore them, they should actually help, Suggest, improve the original idea. Now this goes hand in hand with Quality Control. No one wants to filter through line upon line of garbage that is useless and unenjoyable to read. If you can't get excited about someone's concepts, you don't want to contribute. So, once posts start to get cleaner, smarter, prettier, and funner; we should also strive to be nicer, more helpful, and more involved.

4.) Usefulness. We are C&C, we should be proud to be such a thing, we should want to be the guy who gave the idea for the latest skin line, or the latest champion, suggested the latest design for a minigame. We all want to be that guy.We have no chance to become that guy, or even the guy who has cool ideas that everyone likes if no one respects us enough to come and read our posts. We should strive to create better, more indepth, more accurate content so in the morning everyone gets on the boards and says, I wonder what wonderful ideas C&C had last night, including any stumped rioters.

If you've read this far you obviously care to improve our niche in the community. Here is to you who have ideas and want to share them. Good luck in the future and enjoy better content. feel free to give your opinions and hopefully you've got suggestions about making us better as a whole.

27 Comments

RiotBioluminescence8/18/2016, 7:01:20 AM3 votes

{quoted} ...A simple solution, if Riot wants to open the floodgates on all that stuff either allow it in Art, where all the Cosplay, Sculptures, and other "creations" go, or just make a separate place to put it so that C&C is less of a joke...

...we in C&C have the fortunate blessing of being the location that good ideas go to Flourish and bloom, free of all the griping, whining, advertising, and Artwork to dilute the waters...

Maybe I misunderstand your meaning here, so I'd love if you could clarify. The Concepts and Creations board IS for fan art, cosplay, sculpture, and other, frankly awesome, creations go. The sidebar makes it quite clear:

Culture

Think you've got a great new skin or champ idea up your sleeve? Baked a sweet League-theme cake? Drawn a sublime masterpiece you'd like to share with others? Whatever you've cooked up, Concepts & Creations is the place to share and get feedback on your latest League creations and concepts.

And for the Story, Art & Sound board, it says:

DO NOT post fan art, fan-fiction, concepts, or roleplaying discussions

Your call to action to be a better, more supportive, community, however - I'm a big fan of, no matter the setting :D [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

(Interesting silver lining - I just found a typo in the sidebar text. Very embarassing. I'll get that fixed in the morning! *shame*) [edit] Fixed the typo in the sidebar. No-one will ever be the wiser...

Embertine8/18/2016, 1:06:59 PM3 votes

I fully agree with you on everything except point 1.

C&C used to be my goto sub-board back in the day and I used to be super excited to create champion concepts. I was so into it that I was writing long detailed lore for them that was so engaging that another person offered to team up with me on champion design. Together we tossed ideas back and fourth and he helped me tune out two additional champions concepts, and I offered feedback on a bunch of his. He even spent the time and effort to create hand drawn animations to show off the kit for one of my concepts, and the ult for another.

However Champion design died for me when I noticed that C&C as a community was no longer focused on quality, but rather quantity in that I was starting to only see quickly thrown together champions ideas with kits that not much thought was put into other than, "It would be so cool if he could do this!"

It took me three months of constant thought, working and reworking the kit, and figuring out where they belonged in League of legends lore, before I published my first concept on the forums. Now you see concepts that people spend barely a couple hours on.

Eventually I wasn't able to continue champion design and the partnership I had with another forum member crumbled apart. It really sinks my heart when I think about it.

But on your first point there, Riot did state this was the place to put any videos you made so that's kinda Riots fault there.

FmlItzBoreas8/18/2016, 4:34:27 PM2 votes

I agree, mostly. I just JUST want a community full of people who understand that it's okay to have ideas and to share them, but understand that there are people out there who take this very seriously. And the community has been VERY good to me so far. I usually receive tremendous feedback, even if not in quantity in quality rather, on all my ideas. Not because they are mine and I am biased to think they are better, but because I put the effort into it! I listen to the feedback, open eared and while heartedly. I ENJOY CRITICISM. As long as it is constructive and not just rude. I do not downvote, unless the idea is complete trash. If it is silly, I will laugh it off, maybe say something in the comments and leave. However, if I think the post is good or has potential I will LET THE AUTHOR/CREATOR KNOW. commenting my thoughts and upvoting. And I encourage my fellow C&C Board Members to do the same. Support one another. And be kind.

Dessem8/18/2016, 11:51:21 AM2 votes

I thought the right way to appreciate submissions here was to hit downvote and not look back? kappa

EbonyBladeJ888/18/2016, 1:59:24 AM1 votes

Agreed, good sir!

Kathleengoesrawr8/18/2016, 11:51:26 PM1 votes

it personally bothers me to see click-baity stuff like the example you gave. I wouldnt say your opinion is wrong because of other people :) I do wish there was a spot specifically for skin concepts, I feel when I posted a skin concept I worked really hard on it got ignored by other things ;_; :D that being said.. heres my skin concept! pls give criticism pls http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/z3urfRww-sweetheart-lulu-skin-voicelines

LuunaLily8/18/2016, 2:39:02 AM1 votes

Actually working on a big project that you may appreciate then. Splash art, concept sketches, scalings and lore. The whole works. I just hope it doesn't get buried by all these stream advertisements

Tamur8/18/2016, 5:13:40 AM1 votes

Can you check out some of mine? Here is a link to my concepts. 1 champion 98% complete due to lack if splash art and gameplay section, 3 are 90% due to the fact I'm not sure if their abilities or lore are going to stay the way they are or not, 1 is about 45% done, and 1 I question keeping

GerAvos8/18/2016, 12:28:19 PM1 votes

So basically what you are saying is, this board is not moderated as well as other board sections?