This is a Creative Works Forum

Stacona··48 votes·3,928 views

This section of the forum is for creative works so please do not downvote others it is rude, disrespectful, and uncalled for so just do not do it. Concepts and Creations we do not want discourage creativity here and downvoting discourages people give their creative ideas which a lot are super cool, but if you discourage this process then people are less likely to share cool things because people do not like being shat on.

Riot should help out and disable downvoting for Concepts and Creations. Posts that do not belong here will just be reported and Riot will deal with them, but all posts that do belong here do not belong to be downvoted as most work here people put in a lot of care and time into what they created so others should be considerate here.


If you want to encourage cool art work and champion concepts for Concepts and Creations if you ever see art or champion concepts below +1 then upvote it, even if you did not see or read the post, to counter-act the assholes and trolls because I really want League of Legends to have a good community and we need to put in some kind of effort to do that because I am getting sick of the toxicity that has risen over the year. Back in season 1 League of Legends had the number one best gaming community to be in and we can get back to this if we tried and change the mindset of "League of Legends community is toxic". We can start by showing kindness to others and encourage creative works, even if it is not perfect or very good, we can give nice feedback that actually helps them improve in a good fashion and then suddenly we will a super awesome community that people want to be around and every benefits with having super good and cool creative work in this specific forum. BUT we have to work together in order to accomplish this because being a community is a team effort to help each other out.


Thank-you for your time! ~ Stacona

72 Comments

NitroglyceR11 votes

Riot-senpai notice this post pls [slayer-jinx-catface]

Stacona7 votes

That would be nice, I know Riot employees are usually active on the creative forum both for finding new ability mechanics for future champions (I know cause champions have been released with very similar mechanics, like 90% identical, mechanics to abilities on my champions- I mean like one ability from all the abilities on a concept [sorry I cannot think of a specific example right now, usually happens when I read a champion preview and I go "hey I made an ability EXACTLY like that but renamed and reskinned to my original idea" which is a cool self-satisfaction knowing Riot's champion team reads fan concepts])

NitroglyceR2 votes

Fun fact: I had that sensation without posting anything here. That was creepy, Riot.

Stacona4 votes

Riot posts on these forums, but usually the skins team on fanart and fan skin splash art. They even posted on my own fanart, but they rarely to never post on champion concepts and I can understand why because they want champion concepts to be a fun creative process of making a champion rather than "making a champion concept with the intention of an ability or two being on the next upcoming champion". I just know the champion team does read this forum, mainly for inspiration on new fresh ideas for future champions, which I find is super cool even if they act like stealth ninjas about it.

NitroglyceR3 votes

LOL why is this comment -1... There is no point in downvoting this xD

Lonely Flame8 votes

There's a couple of approaches to this that all have their own issues. First, I personally think downvoting shouldn't be removed. Now before you call me a "downvoting troll", if you check my post history I make a strong effort to give full feedback on ideas I take interest in, even those I think don't work that great.

While downvoting does enable trolls to an extent, some ideas are just plain bad or inflammatory. In this situation, a downvote is needed because you should not support that idea. Now, this makes the issue of downvoting without feedback, so here's another scenario. Let's say rather than remove downvotes altogether, you had to make a comment on the thread before you downvoted it. It removes anonymity and potentially provides feedback. But here's other issue: What if the user can't take feedback? What if, despite multiple people telling them their idea doesn't seem good, the poster responds with harassment? It can result in arguments that wouldn't have happened if the user had just been allowed to downvote anonymously.

But let's say you do know who is downvoting your work. What can you do? You can't force someone to change that opinion. Whether they gave it because they genuinely don't agree or they gave it because they're trolling, that's their prerogative. There are just people like that in the world. That said, not every idea is great. Not every concept submitted by a person is good.

Anyway that's just me. I always think there should be a spot reserved for criticism, whether it be known or unknown. A character design teacher of 20 years summed it up perfectly once: "If you disallow criticism then your idea swims in mediocrity". If there are no 'bad' ideas, then you can't weed them out from the 'good' ones.

Now: everything said and done, I can unfortunately tell you this now that downvotes won't be removed. It is the nature of the forums that Riot have built, and even allow themselves to be downvoted. Just learn to move passed it.

FloRaider421 votes

What if the user can't take feedback? What if, despite multiple people telling them their idea doesn't seem good, the poster responds with harassment? It can result in arguments that wouldn't have happened if the user had just been allowed to downvote anonymously.

The moment when you realize who is meant (one widely known example and some others) xD

Definetly aggreeing with you there, some people just can't take critisim, which is kinda worrying, and there really is no good way to fix it. One thing I wonder about is why Reddit or other forums don't seem to have similiar problems.

Lonely Flame2 votes

Haha while there is a standout, they are not the only one. And I'm sure they do as well. Where ever there is criticism, there is always a person saying there shouldn't be.

Stacona2 votes

If you are nice about it people are accepting of feedback and if you are not being nice then people take it as bashing on them. You will provide feedback to help them improve, but downvoting does not do that it is lazy and for trolls, it tells the poster absolutely nothing and once you downvote it puts someone is bad mood and then they do not accept any feedback.

It doesn't make if things are great or good, but we do not want to discourage the creative process just because someone does not know how to polish their ideas does not mean their ideas are bad and they can have good points and just need improvements. We don't want to discourage creativity because that would mean we get less and less fresh and new ideas. So what downvoting does is make everyone eventually think the same because if they think differently they just shit by trolls downvoting and people change their opinions if they see negativity rather than positivity so no one will ever give a downvoted post a fair shake.

Lonely Flame2 votes

{quoted}

If you are nice about it people are accepting of feedback and if you are not being nice then people take it as bashing on them.

This is not always the case. There have been issues in the past of people being unable to have their ideas critiqued.

You will provide feedback to help them improve, but downvoting does not do that it is lazy and for trolls, it tells the poster absolutely nothing and once you downvote it puts someone is bad mood and then they do not accept any feedback.

It's not for trolls. If I see a thread that says "Make Ballet Sion" and the only line in the thread is "It would be so funny! I would pay so much money!", I can downvote that. If the user hasn't bothered to put in the effort to describe their idea or why it should be a part of the game, why should I have to put in the effort to make a comment? And I've been downvoted plenty of times before. It doesn't put me in a bad mood in the slightest. If you let it affect your mood that's when it becomes an issue. You've bought up a few times the fact that someone has been following you around downvoting your stuff. Did you ever stop to think that maybe it's because you're making so many comments about how your stuff is being downvoted? Sure, it's clearly someone trying to poke you, but at the same time what do you honestly expect to happen? It's like people who touch stuff that has a 'Caution: Wet Paint' sign. If you ask people not to, there's always going to be people who will.

It doesn't make if things are great or good, but we do not want to discourage the creative process just because someone does not know how to polish their ideas does not mean their ideas are bad and they can have good points and just need improvements. We don't want to discourage creativity because that would mean we get less and less fresh and new ideas.

It's not about discouraging creativity. A downvote represents a disagreement or a dislike of the people that are on the forums at the time. You could submit an idea at 9AM and the same idea at 9PM and they would get different results. Heck, within the last day someone has proven just that . That was his third time submitting the same thread. The first time got 3 upvotes and the second time got a -1. But he stuck with his idea. He saw that he posted it during a time where he maybe wouldn't have gotten a lot of exposure, and tried again. Now, I am not encouraging people to spam the forums with their ideas. I'm just saying that there are more factors than you may think there are.

So what downvoting does is make everyone eventually think the same because if they think differently they just shit by trolls downvoting and people change their opinions if they see negativity rather than positivity so no one will ever give a downvoted post a fair shake.

That's not true in the slightest. I come on the board multiple times a day (I'm a character design student so this is a good source for bouncing around idea's with people and giving feedback) and I see plenty of new and interesting ideas. But at the same time, yes there is a lot of generic ideas, but that's not due to downvoters. From what I've seen it's most likely due to people not being too creative or being able to see how Riot decide what direction they're going in. And that's not a personal jab or anything. I've honestly never read one of your ideas so I'm completely unbiased. But honestly, and I see this in my course too, not everyone is cut out for it. Some people just don't have that natural spark that others do.

As I said with my first comment this is just personal opinion and I guess I can approach this a little differently given my background.

Vorazun1 votes

I know this is a bit off topic, perhaps even ironic given the context, but could you look at my idea?

Lonely Flame3 votes

Hey dude, I'm actually heading into my exam/assessment week and so I'll be a little pressed for time. I've favorited the page for now and will come back to it later. Passing comments I can give after very briefly skimming it: Present a lot of information. Some good, some unneeded (eg animation and VFX) Passive is interesting, but wordy Q - Bow feels a little awkward You've got some good ideas on your abilities and interaction with passive E - Bow is cool R - Sword seems too strong Also a follow up question that hopefully you can add in or make a little clearer before I do read: How exactly do you change between Bow and Sword? Anyway sorry man I gotta head. But will talk soon. Happy to help.

Vorazun1 votes

You press R to change between the bow and sword

The animations and VFX, those are mainly just to fluff it up for the CCOS later this month [slayer-jinx-catface]

Thanks for all you've done already, and looking forward to a more detailed review!

CrimsonCobra31 votes

I really love your comment. It's succinct and accurate. GJ.

Lonely Flame2 votes

Thanks man. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but it's mine and I stand by it. It's funny how that is an issue for some people haha.

CrimsonCobra31 votes

You're welcome.

Leetri7 votes

If I'm gonna be terribly honest, I have tons of skin and champion ideas on my computer but I feel like there's no point in even posting them here. I've seen a lot of really good concepts but they have maybe 1 upvote and no comments at all, even several days after. It seems like the only way to get any feedback at all is to either create a meme-y joke champion or to repost something (preferably sexy) you found on deviantart. If you're really lucky you might get the elusive Red post, which guarantees you'll get hundreds of upvotes and comments. And yeah, I browsed by "most recent" and like everyone is at 0 or -1 with no comments. There's some quality posts there too! If you disagree with something in the post, say it! The creative boards is for feedback, not mindless downvoting.

FloRaider425 votes

Riot definetly needs to disable (or limit) the ability to downvote in this section of the forums. There are a lot of posts which get downvoted without getting read at all and some concepts get completly ignored and never receive a single comment, which is incredibly disheartening.

Dealth5 votes

If it were up to me I would remove the down vote feature on all posts. It feels horrible to be down voted.

Stacona5 votes

Downvoting is 100% exploited and holds no weight, it discourages creativity in the creative forum and discourages discussion everywhere else WHICH THIS IS A FORUM a forum is meant for discussion (creative forums are for showing off your creative works) and not downvoting a title to a post without reading the post or not reading the post thoroughly so you missed important information and downvote because of it, so its silly to have downvoting for the forums because it doesn't do anything good and creates frustrations and puts people in bad moods to be honest because trolls find it "fun" since the internet is anonymous.

Noxxi Greenrose5 votes

Yeah, it feels really great, when I waste half of my day making a champion concept that popped into my mind, gets me a bit "hyped" as of I'm eager to see if people like it, and then I basically get 0 comments for hours, but I'm already in -3 or something, without any explanation or criticism.

I honestly really love doing it, I get lot of ideas and it is fun creating a champion from my mind, but honestly I have no nerve for it lately, to spend 5-6 hours on making the concept and skills, then post it and not enough there is sometimes no reaction, but I get downvoted early for no reason, and that really just makes it feel like I wasted all those hours for nothing.

Honestly, I'm not here too often, but I barely ever see a champion concept being upvoted, the whole section is just full of skins mostly, which is not bad at all, but sometimes feel like people don't give a damn about champion concepts :x

Anyway, I just wanted to give my prolly worthless opinion.

Atinizer2 votes

I hardly think opinions are worthless, even if you get flamed there are still some points that can be taken sometimes. Opinions tell you a lot about the person so it's kinda sad to me seeing that so many people share my feeling when they release a bit of creativity from inside them and then don't do it again due to jackasses. Hell, on my first champion concept I got one down vote and no comments and it honestly made me feel like my work didn't matter, but when I'd show it to some other people IRL we were able to talk through what made it not interesting or what things might need to be altered. I'd be really interested in seeing some of your champion ideas considering I've found one or two that were really cool. Another thing that frustrates me is when I see a concept blow up with people when they posted around the same time as I did.

regonas4 votes

Caution: people who think downvote button is an opinion, people with numerous of alt they use to downvote other people, so that their post and comments could receive more attention, and people, who are extremely jealous, because they themselves can't crate anything good, are incoming.

Stacona3 votes

I actually have had people follow me around all day downvoting me on multiple accounts on a bunch of posts- its pretty much 1 maybe 2 people with like 5 alternate accounts and the problem is being a dick shitter is anonymous which is why trolls have so much power because they cannot be punished for doing so.

YouTube a like/dislike is fine because you can see all the likes and dislikes (you can also disable this on your videos) and YouTube is usually no creative a lot of the time because it has walkthroughs, reviews, VoDs, let's plays with commentary and much much more which tell the uploader if the majourity of viewers with happy with the videos and/or entertained or not by it. Where as forums downvoting is just bad in every single aspect you can think of since it discourages / limits things a forum is meant for, upvoting is fine since people will only upvote if they like a post so an upvote always holds weight to it where as downvoting is on equal level as a really shitty joke that that the only one laughing is the downvoter and he (or she) may not even be laughing.

DarkSunSovereign4 votes

Hurr durr dis is mi champ idea! Q: 1000 dmg skillshoot W: AOE stun with slow after E: Blink with no cast tiem R: Karthus ult but with stun so u cant use zonhyas

Plz no donvoting, I poot a lot of work into dis so it would maek me fell very bad

/s

Twiggles4 votes

See this thread for a perfect example of why the downvote feature exists, and should continue to exist.

Criticism was given to the OP in that thread, and his response was to repeatedly call those criticizing him stupid and autistic. When people put out horrid ideas like this one and respond so atrociously to being criticized on them, then there is no helping that person. Those threads are meant to be downvoted and moved on from. I'm still a little bit embarrassed that I tried to talk rationally with that OP for so long.

MrMinish2 votes

Ikr

DeloricVI2 votes

I know how bad it sounds, but what if you don't like their art? I mean, all's fair in criticism as long as you give a reason. I mean, I'm going to sound like an asshole here, but should we not feel free to express our opinions as an audience just because someone somewhere might find it off-putting?

Stacona7 votes

No, you don't need to be a dick to someone ever. If you don't like something then you don't like something, it does mean you have to like, but it also does not mean someone else will not like it. You can give constructive criticism that helps them improve because that is what comments are for, but we do not need downvoting because downvoting does not help them improve it just makes them never want to draw ever again and never improve because they never draw anymore because shat on them.

There is opinions and there is realizing people have feelings and you need to be sensitive to that as well. So even you agree with your comment downvoting should be removed so the forum can become a forum where people talk about the main topic of the post and discuss things and help people improve and get better, because you can do constructive criticism in a nice way, because dickish criticism is just ignored even if it has a constructive element in it; but downvoting helps no one and just places people in a bad mood which is what helps create toxicity.

Downvoting is a butterfly effect, bring down a number may seem harmless but all you know what you just did prevented that person from ever sharing their thoughts and that same person could be the one that finds a permanent cure for cancer in the form of a chewable pill. This might sound over dramatic to you as an example, but it really is not because this is how the butterfly effect works, it chain reacts off the smallest of things and changes a huge thing in the future for better or worse depending on what that small little action was; and it can be 20 years down the line but that one downvote stopped cancer from being cured for good and that was the only person that knew how to cure cancer but he shared his ideas one time for a game, got shat on, and never shared his ideas ever again because he was afraid of people shitting on him and his ideas.

FloRaider423 votes

Honestly I think you are overreacting a bit here. It would be perfectly fine if downvotes would be linked to comments, because there is no way to improve yourself if everyone just praises your creation, but gives no substantial feedback. Especially since Trolls hardly would put effort into writing comments just to downvote your creation. (According to Regonas there are people that put a lot of effort into it, but it sounds rather unrealistic.)

If you are discouraged by a handfull of downvotes than I doubt your conviction was very strong to begin with.

DeloricVI4 votes

You're making a lot of assumptions. We're both on high alert here, probably for different reasons. You see a lot of toxicity and harsher than necessary criticism, I see people all around me trying to speech-police people, because of "Feelings." Got something to say? Better be careful, if someone somewhere disagrees with your message, you can get reprimanded for it. I see college campuses doing shit like this and it makes me sick.

But what I was saying comes from a genuine feeling that downvotes are ok. If they hurt you that much you have some insecurities. However, comments like "You suck" or "Go drink bleach because you're so bad" are another thing. These are not acceptable. When I say criticism, I mean pointing out specific things that could have been done better. Without comments like these, you never improve. Well, you do, but they can be helpful.

Stacona2 votes

The thing is I want feedback, downvotes do absolutely nothing but piss people off and give trolls power. Again, downvoting is forever going to be a bad system I rather have people speaking their mind on the subject matter than do a -1 because that negative says absolutely nothing and will never improve the main post.

-1 is just dick shitter troll downvoting because he thinks it is fun to shit on people. Where as a thought out comment actually provides feedback of some kind for the original idea can be improved on and made better; if not thought out than it is problem harassment then the person gets reported and banned. Either way both scenarios help make the forums a better place and make the community more interactive with each other, and downvoting both lazy and just pisses people off.


Also yes and no it is a lot of assumptions because downvoting someone is an action you did that affects another which again is what the butterfly effect is. The butterfly effect is doing something that seems so small you think it has no impact on someone but in the gran scheme of things that negative action could have made someone instead of curing cancer permanently and creating the ultimate energy source he instead becomes a super villain, genocides 3 billion people, and enslaves the other 4 billion. I don't care if an example is absurd the point still stands that the tiniest of actions can create giant tsunami of consequences later on and that is something this community does not understand is someone else's point of view and long term aspects.


At least forcing people to comment more makes things no longer hidden and anonymous so if people want to be assholes to people and trolls then they can be reported and banned rather than nothing happening; plus it will lead to more feedback to improve on ideas (useful feedback not, "omg super op broken you suck" something like that should get you banned).

DeloricVI2 votes

One of the other problems of disabling ratings in any way on the boards is that it's so integrated into the board. Only being able to upvote means it will be more likely to get exposure on the front page. Take away ratings entirely, and art threads have less of a chance of being featured on the front page, unless we remove ratings board-wide, and that's just looking at it objectively.

I mean, I've been in art classes where you couldn't say you don't like something - at all - during critiques; it's not a healthy discussion.

Bobo1132 votes

[deleted]

Bobo1132 votes

^Just deleted my previous version of this statement for its grammatical errors - I guess that's grounds to downvote a comment these days. . . lol.

I used to frequent these forums quite a bit. I myself am an artist who strives to work in the game industry soon. I used to use these boards as a way to practice my craft before I worked to make a professional portfolio. My work consisted of a couple of custom champs that featured some doodles or artwork I did on my spare time. Among the many people who gave constructive feedback, I also received more flack that I could have anticipated - mostly from people who took a glance at my work w/o looking into it. This was mostly done in the format of anonymous downvotes without any rhyme or reason. In their eyes, it's easy to drop in and dislike something for the sake of disliking it - because it removes all responsibility.

Maybe, the answer to this dilemma is to make any dislike on a thread prompt a comment to justify a negative vote. In order for the negative review to stick, it could be reviewed by a forum moderator for depth or for validity before going into effect. Maybe a large volume of justified, negative votes could get a post removed if it is offensive, or plagiarized, etc.

I know for a fact that a piece of my work had a lot of negative votes than lacked any kind of constructive critique comments to back them up. Maybe I wouldn't be so PO'd if I could at least have a chance to make my piece petter in some people's eyes, or at least fix what they think might be wrong (if there is anything in particular). Just some fodder for thought.

FloRaider423 votes

Maybe, the answer to this dilemma is to make any dislike on a thread prompt a comment to justify a negative vote. In order for the negative review to stick, it could be reviewed by a forum moderator for depth or for validity before going into effect. Maybe a large volume of justified, negative votes could get a post removed if it is offensive, or plagiarized, etc.

Definetly agreeing with you there. Worrying about ups and downvotes isn't really important, but giving feedback (and good one at that), should be encouraged.

Bobo1132 votes

{quoted}

Definetly agreeing with you there. Worrying about ups and downvotes isn't really important, but giving feedback (and good one at that), should be encouraged.

Right? I really like seeing how I can improve. Encouragement and constructive criticism should be the core element of the concepts forum - so that artists can improve, and most importantly, continue working in general. This shouldn't be a toxic environment - it should actually help launch people through inspiration, and great feedback. Hopefully, the negativity won't drive people away from the practice of art in general.

regonas2 votes

P.S. constructive criticism:

{quoted}

No. No explanation is even needed here. Just... No.

Perfect example of it, if you ask me.

Twiggles2 votes

Kevin McStabby

Autism Shot

There should be no need for criticism here. Anyone capable of thought can see how abhorrent the post is. I was foolish enough to try to give you constructive criticism after that, and you responded with repeated insults and calling me autistic.

Çhåryzård2 votes

I just want a way to get art more noticed. Some things I've noticed currently are

-Digital art gets way more attention than traditional art -A lot of the troll stuff (3 second done ms paint drawings, weird skin ideas, etc) get a lot more attention than drawings that took the person so long to do and have so much effort put into them

As a traditional artist, it feels pretty crappy seeing all this beautiful digital art get lots of attention. I mean, they deserve it, it's really good..but like...nobody cares much for traditional art.

I just finished a big drawing I did for Aurelion Sol. Drew it, Sharpie'd it, colored the whole thing. I'm pretty proud of it (I usually don't color, I like to do all my stuff in pencil because I feel you can include more detail with a regular pencil than colored pencils, so this was a pretty big deal for me lol). My goal is to get it into Aurelion's community creations, because it would be my first time getting into one and it'd be for a champ I've waited so long for. I was so hyped about it I was like "yea I'm gonna do this". I posted it here and on my tumblr and.....nobody cares. It's a pretty shitty feeling when you work so hard on something and then nobody seems to care about it.

I just realized that I literally have no chance at getting in. My art isn't getting enough attention for Riot to include it, not with all these gorgeous digital pieces of art getting hundreds and hundreds of notes and likes and comments.

I don't know how it would be done and I don't think it can be done....my comment has no point. I'm literally just venting lol sorry.

I guess the summed up version of my long pointless comment was -"It kinds sucks when you work hard on something to see people not care enough to even give you a like"

Stacona1 votes

There is someone harassing me by downvoting things that I post with multiple alternate accounts, probably because I made a post like this so they are raging out against me. This is a very strong example of to why downvoting should be removed and just have people give feedback, and if people just go around being dicks then we can trask them,report them and they will banned from the forums since they do not want to contribute to the community in a positive light.

Something I need to say is people for some reasons are thinking I am against (constructive) criticism, criticism without being constructive is not good, but this is about downvotes which is basically shitting on people without any feedback for the poster can improve and make his content better so its on equal terms as bullying which Riot hates but keeps downvoting for some reason. Downvotes MIGHT be different if it was not exploited, even then I still don't think it would be good for a forum because downvotes take away from the discussion aspect of a forum since over 98% of people that downvote do not leave a comment; at least in a debate is typically better than shitting on someone and walking away because you can at least make your case for something if 2 parties disagree.

FloRaider421 votes

There is someone harassing me by downvoting things that I post with multiple alternate accounts, probably because I made a post like this so they are raging out against me. This is a very strong example of to why downvoting should be removed and just have people give feedback, and if people just go around being dicks then we can trask them,report them and they will banned from the forums since they do not want to contribute to the community in a positive light.

That is an awfull lot of assumptions you are making there. What exactly did you do that you can think that somebody would put effort into making you feel bad ?

Mama Soraka2 votes

I know this isn't the best place to ask but it seems like your concept thread about that Yordle gunner you were working has disappeared entirely, and just after I gave you some very lengthy and heartfelt feedback about the idea. Her name was Mincci right? I was looking forward to you evolving the idea because the character and artwork was very cute even if the kit had a few minor kinks you were working out.

Did the thread get locked or moved or something. I'm not familiar with the concepts board so I don't really know how to find it again if that is the case.

FloRaider422 votes

Kinda angry at him for deleting his old thread too, since that means the comments are gone as well. From what I can tell he deleted and reposted it a couple of times until the mods got annoyed at him spamming it and removed it for good.

Mama Soraka2 votes

That is quite frustrating. I must have spent at least an hour deliberating on that comment I made. Those of us that want to give useful feedback don't just hammer that stuff out in a minute, but I'm sure you understand that, yourself Flo.

FloRaider421 votes

I think I remember a very long and thought out comment and I guess that was yours (kinda sad that that effort is wasted now). I can't really speak for him and I don't want to make any assumptions, but I clearly remember somebody commenting "We would like to inform you that spamming is against the board rules - The Moderation Team", which is why I assumed that he himself deleted and reposted it and it wasn't caused by the moderation team or technical difficulties the first times.

How it really went down, only he can say which is why I want to hear his point of view on that.

EDIT: I think he might have been influenced by this post:

You could submit an idea at 9AM and the same idea at 9PM and they would get different results.

But he could have at least kept the old thread open and / or copy some of the comments so the feedback doesn't get wasted.

DesolationKaizer1 votes

I generally do have an issue with seeing a multiple, well-thought out concepts that have no comments and have multiple downvotes. Makes me kind of sad. It's even happened to me too. But can't let that get you down at the end of the day. There are decent folks willing to check out your concepts and comment on them fairly.

More from Concepts & Creations

More by Stacona