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New Game CO-OP VS. AI Mode| Progression Bots

JL KS··36 votes·12,184 views

Imagine Being Hard Stuck Against Bots Introducing a new CO- OP VS.AI mode where players go into a game 1v1 VS each and every bot champion in the game. (But really, its more like Player vs AI) This mode starts out with every bot at level 1 difficulty, after defeating that champion the next time you face that same champion, their difficulty will be level 2. So to be clear, you go in game fighting every champion 1v1 (2v2 for supports) at level 1, then after you have proven yourself against every level 1 champion you fight every champion in the game at level 2, After you have defeated every level 2 champion in the game you will progress to level 3 and so on.

You can exit this game mode when ever you like and it will save your progression where ever you left off at. The next level champion will be slightly better in different ways whether that be rune choice, positioning, diving turret success rate, csing, items built based on match up ect, for example, against level 1 bots you have a 95 percent chance of winning as opposed to a level 100-110 bot you have a 5 -1 percent chance of winning. It would be cool to also add a feature that shows other players what bot level you have reached on the Profile Page. When ever a new champions gets introduced into the game you have the option to start level 1 against that champion, other wise It will be at w.e level you have reached up to that point.

This game mode is especially good for new players who do not have a clue what champions do, So they will for sure get exposed to every champion in the game and what they do by playing their way through this game mode.

MAP For champions like Kindred, Bard, Zoe, Taliyah, Talon and Skarner, I imagine RIOT would address the map accordingly to maybe add monsters or objectives for kindreds hunt, and skarners crystal spawns. Nothing too big but I would like to see a single lane, player vs AI map that has a mini river and jungle, a map that also allows players to hop over walls, fight for objectives, and have some form of out play potential that the players and the AI can both use as to their advantage..

Features Bot level 1 - 110 1-10 = IRON 10-20 = BRONZE 20-30 = Silver 30-40 =Gold 40-50 = Platinum 50-60 = Diamond 60-70 = Master 70-80 = Grand Master 80-90 = Challenger 90-100 = Pro 100-110= Bot Gods/Lords (comment below what this level title should be called)

*Single Player Game Mode

*Bot level Is displayed in game above the bots health bar For example "Lucian Bot L60"

*Game mode keeps track of your progress and you will begin where you left off

*Progression bot games work in stages, after killing a bot you move on to the next bot stage, you dont exit the game.

*Bot 1v1 Border added to SUMMONER ICON & BORDER SELECTOR section.

**Bot mastery level in Profile Section ** ** Undeated: # Win Streak Displayed In Profile Section (hover over Bot mastery icon to see highest win streak)

*Current number of champions in the game and how many champions there are left to defeat to make it to the next level is displayed before each match.

*After reaching a certain level you have the option to play against any level below the level you have reached.

***Rank doesn't reset at the beginning of the season, Like Your normal level, You keep your bot rank for ever **

*Higher level bots offer slightly more XP per bot champion defeated

Supports For players that play supports, or for when players are up against a support champion, the lane becomes 2v2, The player will be accompanied by a random AI support, and the AI support you are up against will be accompanied by a random champion out side of the support role.

**For example: ** You are level 43 playing Yasuo and the bot you are up against in this stage is Yuumi. Yasuo vs Yuumi is pretty unfair. Because yuumi is a support champion that relies heavily on there being a champion to support, So in this case player vs AI becomes 2v2.

Yasuo and Janna Bot L43 vs ** Yuumi Bot L43** and Sett Bot L43

XP Explained I imagine 1v1's against bots being quick and easy at early levels, so earning xp would also be pretty quick as a result, this could be good for players who are smurfing and trying to quickly get their account up to level 30. Their are currently 148 champions in league of legends, if the base xp for level 1 bots is 50xp, You earn 7,400xp after defeating every level 1 bot which would put you at lvl 14 in the game. It takes 40,080xp to make it to level 30.

Click here to view summoner experiance | Scroll down to where it says Experience Required, that section will show you how much xp is required for you to level up.

XP scaling examples: 148 Champions level 1: 50xp Per defeat (7,400xp) level 2: 55xp Per defeat (8,140xp) level 3: 60xp Per defeat (8,880xp) level 4: 65xp Per defeat (9,620xp) level 5: 70xp Per defeat (10,360xp)

After defeating every champion levels 1-5 which amounts to 740 player vs AI stages, you will have earned 44,400xp and you will be past level 30 which requires 40,080xp to obtain.

After defeating the same level bot X number of times xp earned decreases.

Rewards XP gained scales based on bot level defeated Blue Essence Emotes Summoner Icons Borders Based on AI Level Acquired Champion Shards Tokens Chests

One comment suggested Levels 100-110 ranked name should OPEN AI, That actually would be pretty cool for bots to be able to learn how to improve on there own. Below is a youtube video by OPEN AI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4O8pojMF0w

For those of you who want to know the number of consecutive wins you need to reach the peak of level 110 it is 16,280. That is the number of current champions which is 148 times the number of levels which is 110. 148 x 110 = 16,280.

21 Comments

R0XTAR12 votes

This might be one of the smartest ideas I think I've seen on the boards EVER.

Open AI actually doesn't sound too bad.

Plz upvote this thread more guys!

JL KS4 votes

Thanks :)

Ashe mage AD9 votes

100-110= Bot Gods/Lords (comment below what this level title should be called)

Open Ai

JL KS4 votes

Dope

KFCeytron3 votes

This would be an enormous amount of work for a mode Riot barely maintains because barely anyone plays it. Honestly, we're lucky that it hasn't been removed along with Dominion and TT.

JL KS7 votes

It sounds like you just doubt RIOT ability to create a new game mode, instead of just looking at the idea I made and being constructive towards it, you talk about 5v5 Ai's success/ play rate, it actually has nothing to do with My idea. I think the mode I introduced is a lot more interesting then the 5v5 AI mode they currently have. Its competitive and allows for growth, its an idea that Riot could easily expand upon. I'm not sure why you are bringing up 5v5 AI mode and its success when my game mode isnt even comparable to 5v5 AI bots haha lmfao, I think people would definitely play my idea over 5v5 bots any day... but ok I'll address your comment :). The things about New innovative worth wild ideas, they are always going to be a lot of work, so I agree in a way, and its also the reason many awesome ideas don't surface, because people are afraid of putting in work for something that might not to work out. But its a good thing Thomas Edison didn't have that mindset because the light bulb would have never been created.

KFCeytron3 votes

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I think the mode I introduced is a lot more interesting then the 5v5 AI mode they currently have. Its competitive and allows for growth, its an idea that Riot could easily expand upon. I'm not sure why you are bringing up 5v5 AI mode and its success when my game mode isnt even comparable to 5v5 AI bots, I think people would definetly play my idea over 5v5 bots any day... but ok I'll address your comment :). The things about New innovative ideas, they are always a lot of work so I agree in a way, and its also the reason many awesome ideas don't surface, because people are afraid of putting in work for something that might not to work out. But its a good thing Thomas Edison didn't have that mindset because the light bulb would have never been created.

Most people who play this game are only interested in PvP. The tiny population of co-op players has occasionally asked for more challenging bots for many years, but Riot can't even manage to add new bots (remember e.g. Yasuo and Aurelion Sol bots?) or display the correct summoner spells on the load screen (Cleanse + Smite). It isn't happening, even if you get a suspiciously large amount of votes in a short amount of time.

Thomas Edison developed the light bulb because it would be widely used. Extra bot modes would not be widely used. Do not compare yourself to Thomas Edison.

JL KS5 votes

First of all I was comparing a mindset to Edison not myself. Edison despite all the work and failure pulled through to make something amazing happen, That is also addressing your "oh its too much work" comment. I just have a hard time understanding how people like you go on every single post telling everyone their ideas will never happen, Its not about whether it will actually happen or not guy lol, its about creating ideas and spreading them, Its actually annoying coming on Creative Concept boards just to have people like you with limited creativity negatively critique shit under the assumption of "said Idea" never happening. Its besides the point guy. And also you can't say extra bots modes aka My Bot mode would never be used, because guess what? it hasn't happened yet... So hi Mr. "I can see the future" bye

KFCeytron1 votes

[{quoted}](name=JL KS,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=3TNxMOmE,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-19T01:16:47.730+0000)

First of all I was comparing a mindset to Edison not myself. Edison despite all the work and failure pulled through to make something amazing happen, That is also addressing your "oh its too much work" comment. I just have a hard time understanding how people like you go on every single post telling everyone their ideas will never happen, Its not about whether it will actually happen or not guy lol, its about creating ideas and spreading them, Its actually annoying coming on Creative Concept boards just to have people like you with limited creativity negatively critique shit under the assumption of "said Idea" never happening. Its besides the point guy. And also you can't say extra bots modes would never be used, because guess what? it hasn't happened yet... So hi Mr. "I can see the future" bye

I'm telling you, guaranteed, Riot would not sink a vast amount of resources (developing better bots is a huge challenge) into something that nobody uses, because they're here to make money. Comparisons to an amazing idea and your idea are misplaced. Perhaps I would sound a bit less annoyed if your idea was remotely new or original. Negative criticism is an integral part of discussing any idea. If all you want to hear is "yay, what a great idea, you're so cool," this is not an appropriate place for your suggestion.

JL KS5 votes

People will play anything as long as their is good incentive, I think this game idea has plenty of incentive especially with scaling XP rewards based on level of bot defeated. I can take negative constructive criticism, but nothing you have said is contructive to the topic of my post, you came in here talking about 5v5 Ai bots success/play rate, which had nothing to do with my game mode, You come here talking about what RIOT would or wouldn't do, you work for riot? Even if you did its besides the point, The points you are making are invalid and don't have any thing do do with 1 word I posted for my idea. Your entire arguement is "oh its another bot mode, so it wont work". Your argument has nothing to do with the idea its self. And that is the reason im poppin off at you. Its that simple... You didnt once say "I don't want this in the game because", or, "you could add this or that to make it better ect "All you are saying is What RIOT will and will not do. I could care less what you think riot will or will not do. And again you are saying "That nobody uses" as if my idea has ever been implemented, because it hasn't, so stop talking like you know it all. And really, if my idea isn't new and original enough for you why you even on my post then? why you wasting you precious time reading it... if my idea is so bad you are welcome to like... get lost. Or do you just enjoy going around telling people their ideas won't happen? I know RIOT employees who actually have a say so don't read Board posts, its not a mystery everyone knows it, your point in saying the game mode wont happen has been heard loud and clear. I could care less. bye.

WoonStruck1 votes

Riot cares about the money now, not having a good product. Champions littered with simple bugs, and a client thats buggier than ever and takes more of your PC's resources than the actual matches is a testament to that.

And don't even get me started at the constant design flaws they add just for the sake of change, and what a mess their gamestate is.

The sooner you stop thinking of them as a good company, the less disappointed you'll be.

They started out great, so many of us fell for it, but they succumbed to typical corporate greed.

Advanced bots, so-to-speak, would be amazing, but I wouldn't hold your breath. We MIGHT get a new game mode for a month for a skin line in the future, but its never coming back after that, no matter how much people enjoy it, because that means they aren't addicted to the core game and likely to invest more money into it and its products in the long run.

JL KS2 votes

Just sucks that one guys opinion turned my comment section into a RIOT fest "what RIOT will and will not do" topic instead of what my post was actually about. Now everyone reading is talking about RIOT, I actually could care less.

GilxeN1 votes

{quoted}

Riot cares about the money now, not having a good product. Champions littered with simple bugs, and a client thats buggier than ever and takes more of your PC's resources than the actual matches is a testament to that.

And don't even get me started at the constant design flaws they add just for the sake of change, and what a mess their gamestate is.

The sooner you stop thinking of them as a good company, the less disappointed you'll be.

They started out great, so many of us fell for it, but they succumbed to typical corporate greed.

Advanced bots, so-to-speak, would be amazing, but I wouldn't hold your breath. We MIGHT get a new game mode for a month for a skin line in the future, but its never coming back after that, no matter how much people enjoy it, because that means they aren't addicted to the core game and likely to invest more money into it and its products in the long run.

sad but true, downvoted also due their narrow mind.

gileskd2 votes

we don't doubt their ability to create, we doubt their ability to update and maintain. crystal scar twisted treeline all rotating game modes besides urf

JL KS2 votes

My entire point in saying "It sounds like you just doubt RIOT ability to create a new game mode" is because he came onto my post talking about past pitfalls and RIOT "this" and RIOT "that" when my post has nothing to do with that. He also edited his comment to say less than it does now, probably in an attempt to make me look stupid. Now instead of comments being about my game mode idea, its now about his comments on how RIOT won't make the game mode, ect. What RIOT will or will not do is besides the point entirely because everyone knows RIOT doesn't look at these boards in the first place. So why we making the main topic in comments something we all already know instead of talking about the idea its self, you get where I'm coming from? From my point of view as a content creator, its annoying creating posts and have people change the topic from the main point of the post to what they want the topic to be. Like... then go to the RANT board and rant about how you don't think RIOT will maintain the games they create ect. not come on to everyone's post saying the same thing over and over again about how a game mode wont be created, all that does is lesson creativity and make people not want to even bother dishing out new ideas. I say this because I have made several posts where people come trashing my ideas all because they think RIOT can't handle this or that... Not flaming you, because I already know that RIOT has things they need to work on, trust me I know... but don't make RIOTs ability or inability to do something the main topic of my post, is my point.

Frostfel3 votes

I love this idea, but (may be my misunderstanding) instead of rotating between different champions I think it would be better to allow the player to select which champion they want to fight at the start of the match. This way anyone can use this as lane practice for champions they are unfamiliar with but are seeing in their normal games. I definitely agree that the bots should scale a bit after every Victory in each game.

JL KS3 votes

Thanks for bringing that up, I actually thought about that and decided against it because I didn't want leveling up and getting that scaling XP to be that easy. Defeat syndra level 1, then on to syndra level 2 and so on. But I did want player to be able to go back and 1v1 champions levels below the levels they have already reached so I added that to game. So lets say you are level 50 bots, you can fight syndra level 50 and below. But your idea is not a bad idea, not at all.

Tusef2 votes

Amazing idea but a couple of problems. There are 155ish champs and some are stronger than others a level 6 corki might be weaker than a lvl 5 fizz. Maybe if there placements kinda of and you were put into a higher level to begin with but starting at lvl 1 would be extremely tedious for people who are still new to the game but ranked level yet. I believe the best way to improve and learn matchups is to play more games. The experience matters more. Also bots don't simulate real people or other players. A bot probably won't flash q ignite for a kill. Doesn't matter if you can beat a lvl 70 orn bot with yasou if you get ganekd by 2/0/0 jhin. In short, this mode wouldn't simulate everything and norms can complete the same job. I think that mini practice modes should be created like kiting and a cs practice mode. This makes more sense because let's say I am trying to practice csing with a character with a slower attack speed than I usually play like mundo or something (idk), then I don't go 0/6 cs in my first game as him and hopefully at least 3/6 cs.

JL KS8 votes

I'm not understanding how new players would find playing against lvl1 bots too tedious, Me personally I would have loved to be able to go through a game mode like this when I first started out, but ok.... moving right along. I designed it so that it is hard to accomplish, everyone regardless of rank or exp has to grind to attempt to make it to the top, not just simply go through all 110 levels in one year. If you have ever played runescape, you know you have to play years and years to reach level 139 and its tedious and hard to accomplish, but that to me is what makes it worth wild. I also don't think It would be fair for their to be placements on release or at all especially sense this game mode never resets, The bragging rights come with sticking through all levels, I would have less respect for someone who started out level 50 and made it to 110 then someone who started out lvl 1 and made it to 110. its a very big difference, but its fine that we don't agree :).

I also think your concerns with balancing champions for each level is valid, but I wouldn't expect every single champion to be as easy to beat as others, that isn't how 5v5 works so why would you expect 1v1s to work like that?, Addressing your comments about bots not flash igniting for a kill, they already do that if you are low enough on health lol I also said that with each level the bots will be better in ways they weren't in previous levels, which to me would suggests that if riot did make this game mode, you would eventually face bots who could flash ignite and much much more.

And as for this game mode not helping with pvp 5v5s ganks, It isn't meant to simulate everything pvp 5v5 does, Its a single player 1v1 CO-OP VS AI game mode, no need to try and compare the 2 game modes because they are not the same and both offer a different experience for players. 1v1 Progression bots should be considered a game mode in its own respect and not be compared to the traditional 5v5 game mode. Now if im misunderstanding what you are saying im sorry, If you are telling me that higher bot levels should include a random champion ganking at random times in the 1v1, that actually sounds pretty dope. I wouldn't mind adding that to the features, but it sounds like you are trying to just combine all qualities of the pvp 5v5 mode into the 1v1 CO- OP VS AI mode and that's not what I am trying to accomplish.

It sounds like you are basically saying, playing against bots won't help people fight against actual people, which to me is besides the point because this post is for a NEW CO-OP VS AI mode, its a fun, and exciting game that offers new features to the game that I think people would get hype about. For people who don't want to play pvp but do want a challenge, this mode gives them that, intermediate 5v5 bots don't quite do it for me and that's how my idea surfaced.

Also if you view my profile you will see that I made a board post going over new training modes (which include csing under turret, skill shot dodging ect.) I thought would be cool to introduce into the game, But that is for the Training section of the game, not CO-OP VS AI which is what this game mode covers, that's my take on it, but thanks for trying offer constructive criticism related to the topic :) that's dope.

Tusef1 votes

[{quoted}](name=JL KS,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=3TNxMOmE,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2020-01-19T15:47:52.648+0000)

I'm not understanding how new players would find playing against lvl1 bots too tedious, Me personally I would have loved to be able to go through a game mode like this when I first started out, but ok.... moving right along. I designed it so that it is hard to accomplish, everyone regardless of rank or exp has to grind to attempt to make it to the top, not just simply go through all 110 levels in one year. If you have ever played runescape, you know you have to play years and years to reach level 139 and its tedious and hard to accomplish, but that to me is what makes it worth wild. I also don't think It would be fair for their to be placements on release or at all especially sense this game mode never resets, The bragging rights come with sticking through all levels, I would have less respect for someone who started out level 50 and made it to 110 then someone who started out lvl 1 and made it to 110. its a very big difference, but its fine that we don't agree :).

I also think your concerns with balancing champions for each level is valid, but I wouldn't expect every single champion to be as easy to beat as others, that isn't how 5v5 works so why would you expect 1v1s to work like that?, Addressing your comments about bots not flash igniting for a kill, they already do that if you are low enough on health lol I also said that with each level the bots will be better in ways they weren't in previous levels, which to me would suggests that if riot did make this game mode, you would eventually face bots who could flash ignite and much much more.

And as for this game mode not helping with pvp 5v5s ganks, It isn't meant to simulate everything pvp 5v5 does, Its a single player 1v1 CO-OP VS AI game mode, no need to try and compare the 2 game modes because they are not the same and both offer a different experience for players. 1v1 Progression bots should be considered a game mode in its own respect and not be compared to the traditional 5v5 game mode. Now if im misunderstanding what you are saying im sorry, If you are telling me that higher bot levels should include a random champion ganking at random times in the 1v1, that actually sounds pretty dope. I wouldn't mind adding that to the features, but it sounds like you are trying to just combine all qualities of the pvp 5v5 mode into the 1v1 CO- OP VS AI mode and that's not what I am trying to accomplish.

It sounds like you are basically saying, playing against bots won't help people fight against actual people, which to me is besides the point because this post is for a NEW CO-OP VS AI mode, its a fun, and exciting game that offers new features to the game that I think people would get hype about. For people who don't want to play pvp but do want a challenge, this mode gives them that, intermediate 5v5 bots don't quite do it for me and that's how my idea surfaced.

Also if you view my profile you will see that I made a board post going over new training modes (which include csing under turret, skill shot dodging ect.) I thought would be cool to introduce into the game, But that is for the Training section of the game, not CO-OP VS AI which is what this game mode covers, that's my take on it, but thanks for trying offering constructive criticism related to the topic :) that's dope.

For fun yes I can possibly see this as game mdoe,but what is fun for everyone is different some people like going teemo jg but camp top lane bush instead. Me personally I would always prefer a. Either playing with friends or playing against other people. Still a great idea tho not for me personally but could be a step in the right direction

JL KS1 votes

Ok? well sorry to say, you came onto a board post title New Game CO-OP VS. AI Mode| Progression Bots, so you preferring to play against other people isn't a comment that makes much sense considering this is not a player vs player game mode, and im also not sure what your teemo camping top lane bushes comment has anything to do with the topic of my post. You get me? That's like me going into a ice cream store telling the manager that you prefer to eat pizza and walk on the beach with shoes on. Well, my obvious response to that is... ok? then go to a pizza store. But, thanks I guess... how old are you? just wondering... hope you don't mind me asking... you just sound kind of young.

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