Champion idea: Gaius, the Rouge General

Rito Jericho·11/27/2014, 5:35:19 AM·6 votes·4,963 views

Note: The title above is an error on my part. He is actually supposed to be The Rogue General

Abilities:

Passive - Soul Forge: Gaius's abilities do not use mana. Instead, he has an ammo supply of Spirit Blades. Every time he kills an enemy minion or neutral monster, his resource bar will fill up by a set percentage. Once the bar is completely filled it will reset, giving him another blade stack. Gaius always begins the game with five blade stacks, and maxes out at 25. The resource bar will fill automatically, no matter how much has been filled previously, upon killing or assisting in the kill of an enemy champion. Whenever Gaius walks over one of the blades he has in the ground, he will pick it up and place it back in his ammo supply. --Blades left on the field via his Q and W will only remain for about 5 seconds. If he does not pick them before time runs out, they will vanish, and will NOT be placed back in his ammo supply. The blades will, however, go back into Gaius's ammo supply should he have any less than 5 blades remaining in the stock.--

Q: 1st cast - Gaius will begin to channel, increasing the number of blades that will be used up to a cap of 5. This also increases the radius of the ability, growing from a single skill-shot line nuke to a cone (see image attached below). 2nd cast - Gaius sends out all the blades that he stored up during the channel. The blades do physical damage to all enemies struck, and stick into the ground upon reaching their maximum range. This ability passively increases Gaius's maximum blade-count by 5 upon reaching ranks 2, 4, and 5.

W: Gaius throws one of his blades at target enemy champion, dealing a small amount of damage and slowing the target. The blade will stick in the ground where it hits the enemy champion. This ability passively increases Gaius's maximum blade-count by 3 every time that it is ranked up.

E: Passive - After picking up one his blades, he will gain a movement and attack speed buff for a few seconds. Active - Gaius begins drawing on some of the life-energy found in the air around him, granting him a slightly larger boost to his movement and attack speed for a few seconds. During this time, his resource bar will slowly fill even without him killing minions or neutral monsters. Gaius's passive still holds it's effect, however. --Gaius gains no bonuses from picking up one of his Spirit Blades while this ability is active.--

R: Gaius unleashes three swift, consecutive strikes on target enemy champ, doing a flat amount of damage. This ability will do bonus damage based on how many blades he has in his ammo supply at that time. (Remember that his Q can use up to five at a time. Careless use of the Q and W will result in few blades left in the stock, which in turn will result in less bonus damage)

Lore:

Within the middle class of Noxian citizens, there were two boys who many deemed to be inseparable, despite their great differences. These boys were Gaius and his best friend Leo. Many people were confused on just how these two could be such close friends. Gaius was always calm and composed, never letting anything phase him; especially when it came to helping a friend in need. Leo on the other hand was very light-hearted and care-free. He always tried to come up with some witty comment for every situation, and his broad smile only faded when push came to shove. In spite of these differences in character, there were two similarities between the boys. First was a shared discontentment in regards to how the Noxian government was currently being run. The second was a crush equally developed towards the soldier named Riven.

One day, they came up with a plan to be able to change things. By entering the military not only would they get the chance to make an impression on the woman they love, but they would also be able to work through the ranks into a position with enough power and respect to be able to change how the country was being run. However, during training, it became quite clear that Gaius was simply more talented than his friend. He was held back for more elite training while Leo was placed in Riven's unit and sent off to fight in Ionia.

For a time, Gaius was envious at Leo for being able to fight by Riven's side. However, envy was quickly replaced by sorrow and rage when he received word that the unit had been wiped out. Gaius blamed the Noxian High Command for the the deaths of his love and his friend. They were the ones who sent them to the front lines and to their deaths. Hiding his rage, Gaius used the influence he'd already gained to request an audience with the High Command.

They agreed to see him, not knowing that they were agreeing to their own execution. To ensure that they would not interfere with his revenge, Gaius quickly dispatched the guards as soon as he entered the room. This act was what unleashed the dark ability that he never knew he had. As the guards' bodies hit the floor, their souls seemed to be drawn towards Gaius. Without thinking, he reached out, and took one of these souls in hand. Using only his will, Gaius then molded that soul into the shape of a sword; a sword that he then turned against the Noxian High Command.

One by one they fell, their souls being added to Gaius's dark armory. Swain was soon the only one who managed to escape the onslaught. Blinded by anger and grief, Gaius gave chase. But the Master Tactician would not be taken by surprise again. In a matter of moments, he and the soldiers under his command cornered Gaius and captured him. Noxus chose not to execute him, however. They chose simply to lock him away and experiment on him, in high hopes that they may be able to replicate his dark power and use it against Demacia. In his cell, Gaius finally managed to calm himself and realize the gravity of his situation. Once his power could be replicated, he would be executed, and his own dark gift would be turned on countless innocents. With no other option, Gaius escaped from his prison and fled to Demacia.

There he adopted Leo's light-hearted nature to hide the pain which he felt. Eventually, Gaius actually began to speak with the souls which he'd captured. In time, they managed to come to an understanding, and he was able to earn permission to wield these souls. With that effort now in the past, he turned his attention to bringing about a better future; one including a new, stronger yet honorable, Noxian government. After several months of trial and error, Gaius was finally able to forge and uneasy alliance with the Demacians. He would help them bring Noxus to it's knees, in exchange for being the one placed in charge of the reformation process.

-"My friend Leo used to say: 'For now, just keep moving forward. Choose a path that you believe in, and follow it to the bitter end.'"

99 Comments

Rito Jericho11/27/2014, 5:32:07 PM2 votes

Please explain why this idea has been down-voted. I'll be fine with any kind of up or down votes, just as long as a valid reason is given. Please, provide feedback so that I can fix any mistakes and make this champion idea better.

Rito Jericho1/24/2015, 2:49:19 AM1 votes

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Rito Jericho1/28/2015, 9:13:39 PM1 votes

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Rito Jericho1/31/2015, 8:50:04 PM1 votes

Bump. Still waiting on more replies.

LilStacey872/1/2015, 3:08:44 PM1 votes

What is the [E]'s Active component?

LilStacey872/3/2015, 12:51:33 AM1 votes

Oh, Im not trippin man. I was just wondering if I mis-read or something

Rito Jericho2/5/2015, 12:14:55 AM1 votes

I got SOME feedback! Can I get some more? Bumping yet again.

Rito Jericho2/6/2015, 7:18:41 PM1 votes

I've made a couple of edits to Gaius.

First of all, I changed the channel on his Q. It can no longer be interrupted and resumed later on. After thinking about it, I've decided that such a feature is simply over-powered and unfair.

Secondly, though of little importance, I've changed the quote at the bottom of his lore. Though I loath to admit it, I'm still struggling to find a good quote that just STICKS with him. Anyway, the quote was formerly "Every blade has a story of it's own. Now, why don't you tell me yours." That quote really seems like it would simply work MUCH better as one of Gaius's taunts.

Rito Jericho2/9/2015, 10:53:09 PM1 votes

Bumping Gaius yet again. Please give me feedback, anyone.

Rito Jericho2/11/2015, 11:55:34 PM1 votes

bump

Rito Jericho2/15/2015, 12:07:38 AM1 votes

Bump.

Rito Jericho2/16/2015, 11:06:50 PM1 votes

Made a couple quick adjustments to Gaius.

1st: I simply moved one of the points in which his Q increases his maximum blade-count.

2nd: The duration for which his blades can stay of the field has been reduced from 30 seconds to 6. I'll admit, I'd forgotten just how long mere seconds can feel in League of Legends.

Avorok2/18/2015, 8:17:32 PM1 votes

Allo there! First I want to say, It's really hard to give feedback to people who post concepts, and doesn't take the time to add Mana costs, Ranges, cooldowns, and damage... Why? Because just giving the mechanics to an ability is fine, but what it can do determines whether it is viable or not. I see you've been bumping for 3 months, and still have not done that.

Let's start with the passive.

Passive - I got two things out of this, either 1.) this passive seems he can be starved in lane easily and 2.) What's the point of giving him the passive to collect more blades, instead of reducing the time he gets them through just obtaining them over time?

Q - This needs a range. This also needs better explanation. From what I just read, he can throw one blade, but after that, he's going to be throwing more than 2+ blades every time after the initial throw. And then activated ability a third time throws all his blades? Like all stored blade? Or does that ability have it's own stack of blades? If so the first part, then you just wasted all your blade and could be potentially OP. Second part, makes the champion a bit too complex, with passive stacks, and Q stacks, and W..

W - This is a basic slow, which is fine, but also needs range and how much it slows someone.

E - This is too much like master yi's passive, and his was nurfed due to being OP long time ago, and resides at only 50% of his attack damage. Doubling is a problem for this guy. Especially with armor pen.

R - Due to your confusing way of stacking blades, it seems this would be too complex to figure an amount of flat damage with the amount of blades and the blades damage with the amount.

Overall, the concept it good. But for 3 months, you need to change a lot... Add damages, Cooldowns, Mana usage, Ranges, and what ever other percents you might need. There is no point of bumping if you don't have these incorporated, you only have the basis of the outline of a champ, which you need more than that to get better reviews.

And your Lore is too broad. And makes too many connections that don't make any sense.

Anywho, there's my two cents D;

The concept is there, but needs a big fat clump of turtle waxin.

Rito Jericho3/4/2015, 8:24:17 PM1 votes

bump

Rito Jericho3/11/2015, 1:23:52 AM1 votes

Bump.

For anyone who is still waiting for me to make any of the adjustments that I'd said I would based on the last feed-back post I'd gotten, I have to apologize. Various tasks have been keeping me busy, and I literally only have time for this one post at the moment. However, I WILL eventually get around to making any necessary changes to make Gaius as good as I possibly can. If you would be so kind as to help me by providing further feedback, that would be greatly appreciated.

Rito Jericho3/12/2015, 12:25:24 PM1 votes

bump

Rito Jericho3/12/2015, 2:00:16 PM1 votes

Okay. I was able to make one of the promised changes. I took another look at Gaius's Q, and did my best to re-word it and just generally clean it up. Hopefully, this will at the very least reduce any confusion circulating around the ability.

Only Mid Veigar3/12/2015, 2:35:22 PM1 votes

Primary complaint: We have a champion concepts board. If a red bothered to read the forums, they'd move it there by now. In the future try to post these threads in appropriate areas. Even if it gets virtually no traffic.

Secondary complaint: Your name is fitting. 'Animeboy2428' fits this champ to a T. It's got all the cliches and problems of a 12 year old's anime self insert power fantasy.

  • Crush on canon characters
  • Interaction with canon characters
  • 'Hidden dark powers'
  • Paraphrasing your first paragraph of lore from Talon's page
  • Complete disregard for established settings/canon locale (I'm pretty sure Noxus hunts down and executes plucky young kids at the drop of a hat).
  • Rebels youths without any outside influence
  • Souls being harvested/used
  • Come to think of it this looks like Talon and Kalista had a weird lovechild
  • "Hi Demacia. I want to be a traitor and rebuild Noxus in my own image."
  • Casually walks out of prison without issue.

Tertiary complaint: Passives with alternative resources almost never function well, or are difficult to balance properly. Additionally, you don't need to be a special snowflake and tack on 3 copies of the same passive to his various abilities just to do it. Additionally if I'm correct in my math:

Max base blade count: 0 or 5? Q Rank 2, 4, 5 cap increase: 0->15 or 5->20 W Rank 5 cap increase: 15->30 or 20->35

Try this instead if you want 5 stepping stones, or just make it 25 stacks from level 1.

Sivir gains 30(Level 1) / 35(Level 6) / 40(Level 11) / 45(Level 16) / 50(Level 18) movement speed for 2 seconds when she hits an enemy champion with her abilities or basic attacks.

Quaternary complaint: Throwing swords is neat, but they are not knives. Also, the passive from E looks like you wanted Zac's sustain mechanic mixed with Lucian's Lightslinger. WITH an armor penetration bonus. Don't say things like "remember soul blades!" because it just makes you look like you're trying to justify something in a fantasy video game where we have Giant Mecha piloted by small fuzzy cat people.

Closing comments: New resources are bad ideas, or too much work to implement. Your ultimate also breeds a toxic element in that it has a potential max damage that requires using no other abilities, and requires a lot of farming to get ready. Alternative and no resource champions are also notorious for balancing issues. In your case you created a champion who can be rendered effectively useless by a good zoner, ironically, like Riven. If you can't get last hits, you can't get blade stacks, and in turn, you can't do anything. If you had to farm even 5 minions for one blade stack, but get zoned out, you'd need probably 3 or 4 waves (~2 minutes) to even use one ability.

GaleWinUnleashed3/13/2015, 6:59:05 PM1 votes

It looks as though he would be strangled by his own resource mechanic. If he gets shut down early game he's never going to be able to fight back. So early bullying would counter him extremely hard.

Rito Jericho3/14/2015, 9:17:47 PM1 votes

Due to some of the points that have brought to my attention, I have made a couple of changes to Gaius. More specifically, to his E.

1: Picking up one of his blades no longer grants him the double-strike. Instead, it gives him an attack speed bonus along with the bonus to his movement speed.

2: Due to the mentioned fact that Gaius practically falls apart should he be bullied out of lane too often, I have added an active component to his E. This active component includes allowing the resource bar that grants him more Spirit Blades to fill passively while his E is active.

Rito Jericho3/17/2015, 12:27:47 PM1 votes

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Rito Jericho3/20/2015, 12:28:03 PM1 votes

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Rito Jericho3/23/2015, 11:12:11 PM1 votes

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RiotRiot Lutzburg3/25/2015, 7:00:41 PM1 votes

Hello, dropping by with some ability name ideas, as you requested!

Q- Cone of Blades, Fan of Knives W- Hamstring, Debilitating Wound E- Bloodlust, Necrotic Syphon, Boon of the Blades R- Pin Cushion, Blade Frenzy, Slicing Strikes, Blade Storm

Rito Jericho3/27/2015, 6:31:53 PM1 votes

bump.

Rito Jericho4/7/2015, 12:25:48 AM1 votes

Can I get some more feedback please?

Rito Jericho4/11/2015, 10:08:12 PM1 votes

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Rito Jericho4/13/2015, 6:21:19 PM1 votes

Still waiting for some feedback. I can't make any corrections if I don't know where I made the mistakes.

Rito Jericho4/17/2015, 6:43:25 PM1 votes

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Rito Jericho4/20/2015, 6:22:35 PM1 votes

Been quite some time and still no feedback. I can't fix anything if I don't know if I did anything wrong.

Rito Jericho6/10/2015, 1:08:31 AM1 votes

Ouch. Even I forgot to give this idea of mine some love. Let's get this old concept of mine some feedback, alright?

Rito Jericho6/18/2015, 8:39:20 PM1 votes

I think this one deserves another bump. I may have forgotten about him for a time, but let's see if I can't bring my old favorite concept back.

Rito Jericho7/18/2015, 5:34:48 AM1 votes

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Rito Jericho7/23/2015, 3:03:17 PM1 votes

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Rito Jericho7/25/2015, 10:25:59 PM1 votes

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Rito Jericho7/28/2015, 2:42:38 PM1 votes

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Rito Jericho4/15/2016, 3:10:29 PM1 votes

So given that my favorite concept, Xeno, is somewhat null now that Kindred is out (I just see similar enough aspects), I think it's about time I shift my focus back to my original favorite concept: Gaius. Currently, my biggest issue other than that typo in his title from when I first posted him (which sadly cannot be fixed unless I re-post Gaius entirely) is his ultimate. I've been struggling to think of something that makes better use of his stacking Spirit Blades. Right now, I'm thinking on giving him something like Zhou Tai's musou attack "Void" from Dynasty Warriors (I'll leave a reference video below, or at least a link) with either the affected area or the frequency of the attacks increasing with how many Spirit Blades Gaius has. Let me know if you think I should do that for his ult, or if you can think of something even better. I would be quite eager to see what kinds of ideas people may have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shqXZ9hUFgI

Rito Jericho4/17/2016, 3:08:24 AM1 votes

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