Rift Helicopter Parents: Play YOUR OWN champ, dont dictate to me how to build "proper" on MINE!

HavokDash··6 votes·888 views

I know you have all seen the type In the champ select, they tell you who to play and what summoners to take, Not a polite suggestion or request, but they DEMAND it because "Meta" they drone on and on about "play a REAL >insert role<" and will berate you and remind you just how garbage you are if you play anything outside the acceptable selection for your role. (I.e.: I play Jax support, It works well for ME. But the moment I hover jax, I get an earful from the rightous player who needs to remind me just how "Retarded" i am and that I need to play a "proper support" or I will be "reported for trolling in champ select") In the game they will nit-pick everyone of their players for not building according to what THEY decree is the "acceptable" build. And if You dont build how they want, play how they want, go where they want, jump at thier command. Then they will stop everything to throw the biggest hissyfit ever, calling for both teams to report you for "trolling" and when asked why? thier response is "just look at thier build"

...here is my response.... SO FUCKING WHAT!

I am the one playing the champ, I have MY OWN strategy, MY OWN build. Its Not your job to be a god damn helicopter parent and micromanage your team's champions as well as playing your own. Alot of these games are lost because ONE person will scrub through everyone's builds just to make sure they are building the "proper" items. and if you arent building according to what theur meta dictates, they will lose thier shit and not let it go, ending up throwing the whole match.

I have played a soraka with a statik shiv because it helps add a bit of "sting" to her bananas. And overall it helps ME...it works with MY playstyle, MY way of winning. But alot of these meta puritans will take one look at statik shiv and completely lose thier minds throwing the entire match while they temper tantrum because "Soraka with statik shiv, shes trolling...ur trolling! stop trolling! Build proper support!...everyone report the troll, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

I can understand there are some things that dont work, but guess what.... THATS NOT YOUR DECISION TO MAKE FOR YOUR TEAM. Its their champ, Yes you can make suggestions but iltimately it is not your place to choose thier builds FOR THEM. So get your head out of your ass and keep your "proper build" to yourself.

51 Comments

IvernBramblefoot8 votes

Dude, really? Do you know why people are pissed at you? because you're choosing a champ that is not a support. You obviously don't care about anyone but yourself. you should not be playing Jax as a support, it just doesn't work. He has no support abilities, he's a pure ass kicker. Even Aurelion Sol works as a support, because he can zone or ranged stun or ranged attack. Incredibly stubborn players who just go "IM RIGHT TO PLAY SUPPORT JAX AND EVERYONE ELSE WRONG" that doesn't help the game. that's honestly toxic.

you want to play a badass motherfucker who kills everyone and yet is an actual support?

http://www.lol-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Lulu-Poro-by-YaA-HD-Wallpaper-Fan-Art-Artwork-League-of-Legends-lol.jpg

THERE YOU GO. Do you have any idea how hard Lulu hits with just a spellthiefs edge? she hits as hard or harder than an adc at level 1, with just her auto attacks. its fucking insane.

Umbral Regent3 votes

because you're choosing a champ that is not a support.

When Champions like Veigar, Malzahar, Miss Fortune, and Ashe can become Supports, I don't think this argument can hold any weight.

IvernBramblefoot2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ltgdkTLV,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-12-18T12:55:23.216+0000)

When Champions like Veigar, Malzahar, Miss Fortune, and Ashe can become Supports, I don't think this argument can hold any weight.

Veigar has a massive circle stun, malzahar has an incredibly powerful DOT and his ult, MF isn't a support at all lol and nobody plays her as support ever, Ashe has a built in slow, her ult is a stun, and she has a built in vision thing. Meanwhile, Jax has none of that, he just leaps in and kills everybody. he is perfect for kill stealing, but not for supporting an ADC.

The Cream Reaper3 votes

MF isn't a support at all lol and nobody plays her as support ever

...except in the lcs, right?

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

mf can be a support but she's not the best. she was played as a counter to zyra to clear out her plants from the lcs but other than that she really doesn't have any support capabilities. hell even ashe is a better support than she is. also velkoz is a viable support and so is heimerdinger and a lot of midlane mages. kill lanes are support lanes too, but they require the partner to follow up on kills or you to just be that good at getting picks bot lane.

Kei1433 votes

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MF isn't a support at all lol and nobody plays her as support ever

you mean how in worlds 2016 where they used MF support as a zyra counter in the finals match?

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

Don't forget all stars this year with Arcane comet and building lethality.

TeCoolMage3 votes

He can tank autos to win trades He can stun He can jump to an ally for guardian He gets free tank stats on ult that gives him lower item reliance than tanks (support jax is built as tank or off-tank)

IvernBramblefoot3 votes

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He can tank autos to win trades He can stun He can jump to an ally for guardian He gets free tank stats on ult that gives him lower item reliance than tanks (support jax is built as tank or off-tank)

wow, he can tank autos and he can stun, and he can proc guardian, and he has some tanky stats? well you just sold me. That's definitely better than someone who can shield or heal or zone, while we're at it, why play ADC's? they're dumb, they need gold to be any good, just play Darius or Zoe or Yasuo or some shit bot lane. you see what I"m saying? this argument is a slippery slope that argues no role is anything and you might as well just say "Fuck it" and do whatever the fuck you want whenever you want.

That's not how team games work....and frankly this is extremely depressing that this is the tide that the players are following, not to try and pick champs that will help the team, but instead pick champs that satisfy them only. Why even play a team game if that's your goal? I don't get it.

TeCoolMage3 votes

That's definitely better than someone who can shield or heal or zone

So Leona isn't a support?

while we're at it, why play ADC's? they're dumb, they need gold to be any good, just play Darius or Zoe or Yasuo or some shit bot lane. you see what I"m saying?

Because I listed very specific reasons as to why Jax can support. He fulfills the requirements needed to do so.

A popular boards user used to play Darius ADC in diamond (and couldn't get any higher on his former main or any other champ/role), it works fine given the right meta and playstyle. Yasuo is a decent ADC because he can fill the role of an ADC if the mid is a Cassiopeia, Anivia, Ziggs, Xerath, Karthus, etc while having a good laning phase vs marksmen. Zoe is probably the only one that doesn't work as well but with a lichbane+Liandry's build it's more than possible for her to find success bot lane in a mage meta.

You don't even need AD champions, in a heavy mage meta a Cassiopeia or Ziggs can do just as well.

If you wanted examples of champions that don't work in the bot lane carry without significant team comp planning, they'd be split pushers, tanks, burst mages, assassins and enchanters. Your slippery slope argument (and the slippery slope fallacy is when someone says the opposing argument is a slippery slope, not when the opposing argument appears to be one) doesn't work because there are bad picks and not everything is effective (though personal mastery with a champ is enough to overcome these hurdles a lot of the time. It's a matter of weighing your strengths vs the team's needs.)

That's not how team games work....and frankly this is extremely depressing that this is the tide that the players are following, not to try and pick champs that will help the team, but instead pick champs that satisfy them only. Why even play a team game if that's your goal? I don't get it.

This is a purely emotional black and white argument that doesn't prove anything. League of legends is a moba, a competitive game, a game with certain champions/lore people might associate with, and more. I don't have to align with literally every single little aspect of the game to play it.

Even then, all you're doing is applying your own definition of 'team game' to league of legends. Team game means I am in a team, playing against another team. There's no inherent need to pick what other people want. I can win without playing as a part of the team (but it is harder for me), and I can win playing exactly how others want (actually equally as difficult), or I can take any varying degree of teamwork, evaluating how much I understand my own strengths and weaknesses vs my team's needs and picking the balance that gives the best chance of winning, which is the only thing that matters in the end.

Enforcing a meta doesn't help the team. Picking a champion you're not good at is not helping the team. Doing what you're good at, and doing it in tandem with 4 other players is, as well as properly evaluating when you must leave your comfort zone.

ModPeriscope2 votes

Experimentation makes for a fun League experience. Getting beat by an off-meta champ is always pretty demoralizing, and exhilarating if you're on the winning side with the weird pick.

A lot of champs can go in the support role now with various items and runes. Jax has some pretty unique features about him that could be beneficial to both his adc and his team, so I can understand him being support.

ModUlanopo5 votes

"Rift Helicopter Parents"

You, sir, are a gentlebeing and a scholar.

Best Vi Earth2 votes

dont encourage him. you'll make him believe hes right.

ModUlanopo4 votes

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dont encourage him. you'll make him believe hes right.

I'm not going to address the specific, as that's more of a gameplay question, but my general experience as a support main is absolutely in line with his comments. Last year during the pre-season, I got a ton of flack for building Ardent Censer on Sona...

Think about that for a minute.

Best Vi Earth1 votes

ok but you A have insider info B already know the item and have 2 ways of procing it shield / heal. also if you chose the summoner heal then 3 ways. some things are obvious

Kei1434 votes

advisors don't have insider information for gameplay stuff.

Plus Ardent's became popular after 4 months of it being buffed. So people had plenty of time to adjust to the META.

Anastaecia4 votes

My response to these types is "Are you a Challenger?"

Weedbro2 votes

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My response to these types is "Are you a Challenger?"

My response to that would be "Are you silver 5? Oh, yeah, you are, so why are you talking shit?"

Anastaecia2 votes

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My response to that would be "Are you silver 5? Oh, yeah, you are, so why are you talking shit?"

What?

Umbral Regent3 votes

I remember when I was working Yasuo up to Mastery Rank 7 that (among some other things about my build people didn't like), I'd get people chewing me out for buying Boots of Mobility.

That Boots of Mobility is apparently the "wrong" way to build Yasuo is really sad.

Thankfully I haven't dealt with any such players in a good long while.

IvernBramblefoot3 votes

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I remember when I was working Yasuo up to Mastery Rank 7 that (among some other things about my build people didn't like), I'd get people chewing me out for buying Boots of Mobility.

That Boots of Mobility is apparently the "wrong" way to build Yasuo is really sad.

Thankfully I haven't dealt with any such players in a good long while.

that's because... THEY ARE RIGHT, LOOK AT THIS BUDDY

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Yasuo

wow. not a single player ever builds boots of mobility. HMMM. I wonder why. could it be that when you're combat, you spent 900g for boots that do the exact same thing as 300g boots? I bet that has something to do with it!

Umbral Regent5 votes

Let's look at it this way: Yasuo is one of those champions who, even if thrown behind, can hit his powerspike pretty damn well just because of how easily he can CS his way back into relevance.

Boots of Mobility also help a lot with roaming to either split-push/teamfight, and they also fit well with his thematic of the Ronin/Wandering Swordsman.

And I make them work.

So, I don't really care if nobody buys Boots of Mobility. I buy them. They work. You can't tell me they don't.

IvernBramblefoot2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ltgdkTLV,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-18T12:52:40.720+0000)

Let's look at it this way: Yasuo is one of those champions who, even if thrown behind, can hit his powerspike pretty damn well just because of how easily he can CS his way back into relevance.

Boots of Mobility also help a lot with roaming to either split-push/teamfight, and they also fit well with his thematic of the Ronin/Wandering Swordsman.

And I make them work.

So, I don't really care if nobody buys Boots of Mobility. I buy them. They work. You can't tell me they don't.

The world operates according to rules and structures. I could play LoL on a computer that is ten years old. It would still work, and you can't tell me it doesn't. However, it's crystal clear that is sub-optimal. You can make anything work on any champion, any build. That doesn't mean its good, or that you're contributing the most you possibly can to your team. You're choosing to make your team de facto less powerful, simply because of your personal preference. Me, I prefer to give my team the most punch I can, because I care more about my team then my personal preferences.

Umbral Regent3 votes

There's no "one true way" to play any given Champion, and I've already explained how effective Mobi boots can be on Yasuo. It's not sub-optimal, and there's also a saying that I find relevant: "Don't knock it 'til you've tried it."

BTW, this is going to be my last response to you, since it's clear enough to me you're not going to give an inch about what you think is correct or incorrect.

IvernBramblefoot2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ltgdkTLV,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-18T12:59:27.803+0000)

There's no "one true way" to play any given Champion, and I've already explained how effective Mobi boots can be on Yasuo. It's not sub-optimal, and there's also a saying that I find relevant: "Don't knock it 'til you've tried it."

BTW, this is going to be my last response to you, since it's clear enough to me you're not going to give an inch about what you think is correct or incorrect.

I never said there was one true way, you're putting words in my mouth now, and I'm not surprised. You care way too much about yourself and not enough about your team. and I have tried it. I've built boots of mobility in at least a 100 games. they are terrible, as a fact. I posted a link that shows that nobody ever buys boots of mobility because it is, as a fact, not as good as the other boots. I pointed that out to you, as soon as you enter combat, boots of mobi move slower and with less stats than any other boot choice available.

you don't want to listen because you like moving fast out of combat as Yasuo. that's great for you, but your team is getting shafted because the team obviously just isn't that important to you. I know you don't want to listen because you're pulling a Parthian shot "I got in the last word and now i'm going to run away!" that shows that you don't care about learning, all you care about is reinforcing your erroneous opinion.

Umbral Regent2 votes

I'm actually going to have to go back on my word here real quick, because I just realized something; Boots of Mobility is actually a perfectly viable item for Yasuo - and, it may even actually be as good an option as whatever the hell the meta boots are for him right now.

Reasons:

  1. As mentioned before, Yasuo can CS so hard that gold costs and setbacks are irrelevant, so, he can buy pretty much whatever boots he wants - hell, he could probably buy a second Infinity Edge if he cared.
  2. You say that the in-combat downside of Mobi boots makes it the worst boot choice available, but you forgot about Yasuo's ability Sweeping Blade, which renders the in-combat movespeed of Mobi boots pretty much irrelevant.
  3. You also either didn't read or ignored where I said that Mobi boots gives you a lot of tactical freedom to split-push, roam, or head for teamfights, so it can allow players to contribute quite a lot to their team.

So, yeah. Mobi boots are, now that I think of it, pretty damn good on Yasuo, even if they lack hard stats like Berserker's Greaves or whatever else.

Okay, now I'll return to not responding. Just had to get that out there.

Karunamon1 votes

There's no "one true way" to play any given Champion,

AP Riven is a thing now?

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

You could, wouldn't make much sense since she doesn't have any ap scaling abilities.

It is more arguing you could do full crit, or full attack speed.

Karunamon1 votes

What I was trying to say is that there are nonsensical builds on each champion.

AP Riven, AS/MS/AD/Crit Anivia...

Umbral Regent1 votes

And "There's no 'one true way' to play any given Champion," doesn't imply that there aren't nonsense builds, or builds that, logically, wouldn't be remotely feasible.

AP Riven isn't a thing, nor do I imagine it would ever be, but full damage, crit, bruiser, tank, tank Support - all of those are possibilities.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I disagree with the Anivia example. Any champ can be built with an crit adc style build and be decent. Build Manamune for mana. A quick ult and some super speed autos that critb landing the stun, even better.

MS also would be okay. Luden's Echo, Lichbane, Ardent Censor (font of life from resolve tree [the one that heals for impairing movement]), Sorc boots. I can't think of 2 more items right, at least not ap ones.

Did a Donger adc last season against a Sivir and Thresh. They didn't like it. Would drop a turret when Thresh tried to hook and I threw wrenches at the Sivir.

Best Vi Earth1 votes

as long as your good at controlling your lane. mobis are good for roams. then get you back just in time in your lane. also the trip from fountain is less time consuming

AmetDeCrypt3 votes

I won't tell you what to build. I will however suggest items I consider optimal. yknow like mana regen items so soraka can do the literal only job she's been given is to heal, so it does cause me concern if I don't feel I can rely on her as much as someone with the "proper" build that was designed for her to use. I may also suggest items you might not have thought of such as getting an adaptive helm against a swain or a karthus to negate some of their dps in case you hadn't thought of the item before that.

HavokDash1 votes

and I have No problems at all with people suggesting things. But its become to the point where if you break the meta now its like going a gainst some fundamentalist cult. They will rage and scream at you, tell you how worthless you are and how you need to build according to what -they- dictate. You are not allowed to have your own theories or personal builds, even IF you have tested them and they work for you. Thats where I draw the line.

other than that, yeah I take suggestions into consideration, and if someone is polite about it, I am willing to change accordingly. but...politeness? in league matches? thats turning into a myth

TeCoolMage3 votes

I once got 4 threat reports for locking in Anivia AP bot lane in a 3 AD + Janna team.

Literally everyone complained about how 'it doesn't work that way and the ADC will kill you' then the mid lane locked in an ADC and demanded I go mid instead, then they all claimed I was being a baby for locking in Anivia and making everyone play around me. (Even though I said multiple times before it was the mid's turn to pick that I wasn't going mid and was actually taking Anivia bot)

Seriously, I just wanted to have magic damage on the team plus having my comfort pick, I actually wanted very badly to play her bot lane because I find 2v2 bot lane surprisingly easier than 1v1 mid.

Sadly I forgot to report the mid laner for actually stealing my role and forcing me to go mid purely because my champion was meta for that lane

IvernBramblefoot3 votes

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I once got 4 threat reports for locking in Anivia AP bot lane in a 3 AD + Janna team.

Literally everyone complained about how 'it doesn't work that way and the ADC will kill you' then the mid lane locked in an ADC and demanded I go mid instead, then they all claimed I was being a baby for locking in Anivia and making everyone play around me.

Seriously, I just wanted to have magic damage on the team plus having my comfort pick, I actually wanted very badly to play her bot lane because I find 2v2 bot lane surprisingly easier than 1v1 mid.

Sadly I forgot to report the mid laner for actually stealing my role and forcing me to go mid purely because my champion was meta for that lane

Anivia works as a support too, she has a wall, a stun, she has her egg passive, her ult is amazing for zoning. I'm verrrrrrrrry open minded about supports, just stuff like say, Tryndamere, Jax, Nasus, Olaf, Renekton...big badass killer motherfucker dudes...they aren't supports. they are big badass killer motherfuckers. sigh

Enderspider1 votes

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IvernBramblefoot2 votes

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Fid works great as a support, he has fear, he has a bouncing silence, he has his ult, and his drain is amazing for sustain.

ModUlanopo1 votes

My experience is that support Fiddle lanes pretty well, but he's too gear-dependent to be of use in teamfights.

Enderspider1 votes

yup, you are one of the most annoying poke supports, can't engage on him easily because he will silence you and fear you for ten years, while he drains all your hp. and in teamfights he can basically just 1v5 engage and have his team clean up the enemy team that should be around 100 hp each

TeCoolMage2 votes

I meant Anivia as the CSing carry, not support, with Janna in the same lane

Most of the champions on your list are on point, but Jax specifically is a good support because two abilities let him tank better, two give him stats that lower item reliance, and two are strong engage tools. Olaf, Renekton, Nasus and Tryndamere are much more carry and low CC focused while Jax can work as a lane bully that transitions into an engage tank.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with a kill lane (having a 'killer' support), champions with very good early game like Jayce, Pantheon (who also transitions into a decent tank) or Renekton with lethality are extremely good if the ADC is a safe champion or lane bully (Caitlyn, Ezreal)

Hypercarry ADCs like Kog do need a dedicated support, and Olaf/Tryndamere/Nasus (Nasus can be good but the requirements are conflicting so it's only 1/100 games) are almost never good. Those cases I understand if you're mad.

Best Vi Earth1 votes

thats the attitude that will keep you at bronze 5

Best Vi Earth1 votes

point proven OP

HavokDash1 votes

yeah I should just shut up and be a good little meta sheep, why play my own champ when I can have teammates like you who think they "know better more than you" can tell me what to play.

Individual thought, its not meta.

Best Vi Earth1 votes

if your going to play something like that atleast let it be darius , leesin or elise. jax just doesnt have the Survivability to remain in lane or even sustain to keep in lane after trading. also not wanting to be a "meta sheep" is a poor excuse for not playing a branded support champ. you have a better time doing meta champs with experimental builds. for example i play leona but i play electrocute on her instead after shock . that would look more favorable toward you as well as having a better time.

Broken Bandle1 votes

This same variety of argument popped up when Singed Support and Nunu Support mains rose to the top and got reported so much that they got "unfairly" banned. The decision that Rioters came to wasn't that off meta picks are bad, but holding your team hostage or making the game feel bad all because you want to force your view on what the game should be on four to nine other people and make it unenjoyable or unfair. ( The player in question, Nunu support, had a fine winrate, but because he was difficult the players that he worked with in both winning and losing matches all reported him because he made the game unfun. Even winning, players deemed it unfun.)

In the end, it comes down to communication. All five players should be working together to achieve the designed outcome you can all agree on. So say, if you were Jax support and the top laner agreed to play something peel heavy ( like Tahm), then the team would remain balanced. It's all about teamwork. Find a middle ground that has the way that you like to play, and your teammates enjoy too.

It might also help to find an adc who likes to try new things to accompany you while you work your magic.

HavokDash1 votes

I play off meta supports, but I still play to win. My problem is when the rest of my team would rather spend the entire match telling me how "Garbage" I am and how "Oh that item is wrong, You arent allowed to build X item as a >insert role<" and they will spend the game focussing on all the aspects of my build that are wrong, beating me over the head with them...rather than PLAYING THE GAME. The enemy is harrassing and chipping down our tower and my adc is too busy raging at me over one item and telling me what a "proper" item is for my build, berating and degrading me while demanding I build what THEY want me to. Meanwhile enemy still attacking our tower.

These people want to stop the entire game so they can sit there and lecture me about how garbage/trash I am, how "Retarded" I am for building something other than the set items they dictate to me as "acceptable" for any particular role. They dont want a middle ground, the want me to play WHO they tell me to, BUILD what they tell me to, Play how they tell me to. and If I dare build anything other than whats in the "approved item" list, then they rage and tantrum and call me a troll, and throw the entire match because...."we have a troll support"

Broken Bandle2 votes

This still sounds like a "you" problem, mate. If you're encountering harassment, there is a mute feature.

As someone who enjoys playing off meta supports and experimenting ( one of my favourites for a long while was Taliyah support), I made sure that my teams were comfortable with my picks. But I also did the work to make sure that I would be very useful to my team and not distract them in engaging in salt wars/keyboard battles that I brought upon myself. I play Ekko support, Syndra support, etc. Just mute everyone, because at the moment the only person we have to gauge the situation through is you. And if you "troll pick" an off meta support and then argue with your team about it for the rest of the game, it feels like you're tilt baiting them.

Legit. Mute and play.

PiedPorcupine1 votes

If you are planning not to play like a support should (I frankly can't see how Jax could fill that role), they have perfect reason to ask you to choose a "support champ." You can't go into a basketball game as a 5 foot player, say you'll play center, and demand that your team let you play "your own way." There is a right way to play League, and you let down your team if you don't follow the same guidelines they do. Chances are some other players probably do know better than you. At least save that stuff for norms and don't do it in ranked.

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