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STOP Calling -EVERYTHING- Trolling/Greifing

HavokDash··22 votes·2,175 views

This community has become a bunch of fragile little toddlers wrapped up in thier own sense of superiority. Every game I have to listen to little children scream and cry because the team wont do what they say.

Someone doesn't play who you want? Not trolling Someone doesnt go where you demand they go? Not trolling Someone doesnt build how YOU want them to? Not trolling.

it has become so bad that EVERY little thing is now labelled trolling. Everyone is too busy trying to flame their team and let thier team know just how hard they are gonna be reported for 'trolling' People spend the entire game and waste more time telling the team how "trash" they are and how they will be reported for "greifing" because they they dont follow a single player's gameplan. "You dont play/build how -I- want you to play. You wont Build/play according to MY gameplan so I am reporting you for trolling. Enjoy ur ban"

I am so sick of seeing this entitled sense of narcissism. That a player is gonna be banned because they dont play according to ONE player's schedule. This is a TEAM game (or so I have been told, Not that I believe it anymore) and so There should be a willingness to hear all strategies and ideas. But everyone is so hung up on the "Solo carry" attitude: "Im the best, I am a gold/plat/diamond smurf. I will carry this trash team. I am OP" Everyone is so wrapped up in themselves that they no longer see their team unless they need someone to blame for the loss.

Players will run solo, act like they dont need need a team, and yet as soon as they get outplayed and the opposing team works as just that....A TEAM.... The solo player will then play the "where's my team?" card "Omg team is so bad, such trash" or "report my team for trolling" This is why I have lost all respect for ranked, all respect for my teammates (Teammates? thats a joke)

The league community is too busy patting themselves on the back and saying "I'm too good for this team" (not through words, but actions as they completely ignore their team) that most games end up in a loss and then the player will turn around and call for reports on thier "team" for trolling because it is convenient for them.

This community is so eager to label EVERYTHING as Trolling/Inting/Greifing. That I really have no interest in considering this a team game.

So go ahead, begin the downvotes and "I looked u up, ur trash" comments. This community will use ad hominums and SOLO stats on a TEAM based game as an attack to Discredit players rather than actually accepting the community has flaws. But I really cant care anymore. If Everything is trolling, than nothing is If everything is inting, than nothing is If anything is greifing, nothing is.

League has now become a free for all, 5 solo players on one match competing over who is the most OP by chasing "most kills" and calling "ks" on their teammates. rather than 5 players working together to focus objectives and destroy the nexus.

48 Comments

brônco3 votes

Ok but if their gameplan is the right gameplan and you do some retard shit instead then I would say you are trolling, there is only really a couple right calls for each situation, usually only one, as for builds or what champ you pick that's not trolling.

HavokDash1 votes

and who defines what is the 'right' gameplan. outside of the BLATANT efforts of game sabotage alot of these players have an "Im right, you are wrong. I am big, you are small. I say jump, you say "how high?" Mentality. They dont want discuss any gameplan, they want YOU to do what THEY say. They dont know or care if maybe you have a different strategy. They have a schedule/gameplan and if you dont play to how they expect the game to progress, they will label you a troll.

Players in this community dont want any comprimise, they think they are "Gods gift to league" and they spend most of the game just going on about how "trash" thier team is. "Omg why do I always get these garbage teams, these stupid noobs are trolling. This is why I cant get out of bronze/silver/etc"

They have a specific schedule for the match, they want to dictate how everyone else builds and they dont want to hear any outside view. YOu try and bring up any alternative strategy and they will: -Use your item build to dismiss you -use your level to dismiss you -use your role to dismiss you -use your kda to dismiss you... Seeing a pattern here?

And If you DONT build what they want, DONT play how they want. DONT jump at thier every command (because they know so much better than you) then they turn around and label yiou a troll, a greifer, a feeder (though they cant tell the difference between INTENTIONAL feeding and deaths from being OUTPLAYED)

brônco1 votes

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and who defines what is the 'right' gameplan. outside of the BLATANT efforts of game sabotage alot of these players have an "Im right, you are wrong. I am big, you are small. I say jump, you say "how high?" Mentality. They dont want discuss any gameplan, they want YOU to do what THEY say. They dont know or care if maybe you have a different strategy. They have a schedule/gameplan and if you dont play to how they expect the game to progress, they will label you a troll.

Players in this community dont want any comprimise, they think they are "Gods gift to league" and they spend most of the game just going on about how "trash" thier team is. "Omg why do I always get these garbage teams, these stupid noobs are trolling. This is why I cant get out of bronze/silver/etc"

They have a specific schedule for the match, they want to dictate how everyone else builds and they dont want to hear any outside view. YOu try and bring up any alternative strategy and they will: -Use your item build to dismiss you -use your level to dismiss you -use your role to dismiss you -use your kda to dismiss you... Seeing a pattern here?

And If you DONT build what they want, DONT play how they want. DONT jump at thier every command (because they know so much better than you) then they turn around and label yiou a troll, a greifer, a feeder (though they cant tell the difference between INTENTIONAL feeding and deaths from being OUTPLAYED)

Idk about all that bullshit you just posted but as in when to group where, when do call drake, when to call baron, when to push which lane, etc. there is only the one, sometimes in niche situations more than one answer, and the calls are usually pretty obvious if you know what you're doing

Now I am assuming you made this post because you are a low rank and some guy was getting mad at you over you doing something really dumb when what to do was pretty obvious, but it may not have been obvious to you, and you can't be put at fault for your own ignorance, I would say if you actually want to be good at this game you should learn about when and what to do and why and you will see that there's really only a couple right things to be doing at a given time.

Feel free to rifle off some situations you may have been confused about and I can tell you about what the good call would have been, now obviously you might fuck some things up during the game because some people just do and I am assuming you are pretty new given you are in the lowest possible rank on what appears to be your only account, but I am willing to help if you are actually interested in learning and not just ranting for upvotes

CooL Ice Tea2 votes

Now I am assuming you made this post because you are a low rank

Rule # 1: You shut the fuck up about ranks if you are a lil girl who is posting on these boards with his aram account.

Rule # 2: You shut the fuck up about ranks if you are a lil girl who is posting on these boards with his aram account.

Rul # 3: Don't come up with some bullshit now and leave it.

HavokDash1 votes

Its ok, I was expecting someone to make this sort of response.

Whenever people bring up that the community ISNT perfect, that it DOES have flaws (in some cases BIG flaws) people try and shut that person down. Use thier kda, thier rank, thier level, etc. Anything to say "You are X so you have no right to say anything" and they can then go back to pretending how perfect the league community is.

I know I am not a high level challenger player. Yeah, I have problems. At least I am willing to admit I have flaws and dont consider myself "gods gift to league". Sadly alot of the players do. And they seem to use this sense of 'superiority' as a way to shut down and dismiss anyone who says something they dont like.

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

Whenever people bring up that the community ISNT perfect, that it DOES have flaws (in some cases BIG flaws) people try and shut that person down.

Rule # 3: Don't come up with some bullshit now and leave it.

"You are X so you have no right to say anything"

You were the first person which started to point out ranks in this discussion, which is already bullshit. So you hate it but you do it. Think about that.

You could be bronze 5 and i wouldn't even look that up while you make a point in a discussion. UNLESS you started to point out someones rank or assume his low rank. AS. YOU. DID.

HavokDash1 votes

I didnt point out any rank. I am saying I expected the "You are X Rank" as a form of dismissal. As in people will use whatever rank you are currently as a way to dismiss your arguement completely. I wasnt bringing up anyone's rank. I said that its common practice for people to use rank as a way to dismiss someone "Ur Bronze/silver/gold/etc so you have no right to say anything"

I have been in many matches where people have told me "You are support, you are not allowed to talk"

So again. I was not assuming rank

Now I am assuming you made this post because you are a low rank and some guy was getting mad at you over you doing something really dumb

This was used as a way to dismiss my arguement. They use your rank, your role, Your kda, whatever they can to just dismiss you.

3TWarrior1 votes

unfortunately, unless the player has a typing speed fast enough to explain how and why a plan is correct in a reasonable manner while also explaining how it would be beneficial to the other player and the team, there is no correct answer unless someone just did something they shouldn't in general (such as backing before a push without teleport or trying to fight dragon/baron as a full support, which I don't think anyone would do that last one)

GentlemanGhidora1 votes

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unfortunately, unless the player has a typing speed fast enough to explain how and why a plan is correct in a reasonable manner while also explaining how it would be beneficial to the other player and the team, there is no correct answer unless someone just did something they shouldn't in general (such as backing before a push without teleport or trying to fight dragon/baron as a full support, which I don't think anyone would do that last one)

Ah, yes, commonly related to, 'gg report X, afk' when you take longer than 2 seconds to type something.

HavokDash1 votes

One of the things see quite often is calls for "GG Report X for afk".....when I am in the shop. If I am in the shop for longer than 5 seconds, trying to get an item. Immediately the team calls me a troll and calls for reports because I am "afk" "gg report x, afk" "I am not afk, i am in the shop" "stfu troll" "/all "Report X for afk. Thnx"

Paintchip3 votes

Blah, you guys are just as pathetic as the trolls in game, everyone is always crying about something. I even read some say something about afk farming jg. Yeah, this is the fucking reason I don’t play jg anymore. You aren’t even allowed to do your first clear anymore, or you are “afk farming”.

News flash princess, but the jungle isn’t your fucking slave. Another favorite of mine is getting flamed everytime some idiot on my team dies. I am ganking bot and top decides to engage and die, now the whole fucking team just starts to flame.

And RIOT will punish you for telling the trolls to “STFU” before they punish them. Here is a genious idea, how about you que to play instead of queing with the expectation tjat sone is going to carry you. And if they can’t the match isn’t their fault that you are so heavy.

Yuk, this community is shit anyways and I play the fame less and less nowdays. Snowball every match plus the usual round of toxic asshats just got old.

I mean these idiots will ban me for telling a troll to fuck off, but said troll doesn’t even get chat restricted for threatening to kill me and flaming me the entire mstch.

Supreme Senpai693 votes

As long as you're trying to win you are not trolling.

However, if you go Nunu smite support and leave your ADC, not even buying a support item, that is trolling If you go AD Ahri or AP Tryndamere and you don't do well that is definitely trolling

If you're obviously not trying to win, or trying to win at someone else's expense (In the Nunu example, you trying to win is interfering with the ADC trying to win, as now he cannot since he must 1v2. You have taken that option from him.)

Off meta is totally fun and I love doing it. But there's an extent. If you want to do AD Ahri for example please run it by your support first. They have to be stuck in a lane with you. Or better yet get a group of friends. Support Veigar is off meta but it's still an efficient tactic. Its just not the Most Efficient Tactic Available. Garen support, however, is not an efficient tactic at all. It does not have to be meta but it should still be et.

Otherwise, yes totally. People need thicker skin

HavokDash1 votes

Well Yeah I can understand the Obvious and blatant type of trolling. But people often use "ur trolling" as an replacement for "You arent doing what I want so I am gonna label you a troll and try and get you banned to punish you"

People will call players trolls for almost anything, any slight. any sort of dissension Team wont go where they want, do what they want, build what the want, or jump at thier command. so the players will call these people trolls as a means of punishing them.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Yeah. It's a shame. I've had top laners call me a troll for not ganking their lanes, even though they're 0/4/0 and completely pushed up all the time. It's like. What r u doing. Why are you saying these things. lol

HavokDash1 votes

I just got out of a match where I was Adc and had 4 people Bot, I asked "Where are the MIA pings?" and they just spammed "Map awareness" like that was a response... So I played safe under towers (Spoiler alert, we lost)

At the end my support says "Report MF (Me) for Feeding and trolling" at the end of the match I was 0/2.....1 was the initial 4v1 ambush, 2nd was a Kha'zix tower dive. But they still want to report me for "trolling" and "feeding" (Another one of those words that is losing all its meaning. Die by ANY MEANS AT ALL and its "Report for intentional feeding")

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Thankfully I never have to deal with these fabled toxic supports because I usually support. I bet they're really tilting though lol

HavokDash1 votes

I am.....or rather....was...a support main Though the more I play the more i hate support. Not because of the champs. Not because of the items But because of the ADC and the general way the support is treated like a team punching bag. I can get the adc a triple killa nd help him come out alive and still get told how "completely fukkin useless support" I am Or sacrifice myself to not only help the team escape but also to bring down a tower, and for my efforts, my team will call for reports on me for "intentional feeding"

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Lmao I feel you. I went 4/5/44 as a support in my last game and got no honors. I had 4 active items, exhaust, and my entire kit as Sona. Feels bad.

HavokDash1 votes

People dont care about winning as long as THEY have the most kills on the team.. I can do everything I can to get them fed and they will still tell me how worthless I am as a support.

3TWarrior1 votes

well, what if someone is both trying to win...but also doing badly?

the nunu support debate has been around for over a year and has several merits to its claims (such as the lack of opposing jungler pressure and the bonus of having your own jungler free to pressure when they push

I'd be uneasy as a marksman, but then again, things lately make everything uneasy for the players

Supreme Senpai691 votes

I'd say it's trolling because you're trying to win at the expense of someone else's attempt to win. You're putting your ADC in a spot where they cannot do their best. There is nothing wrong with roaming to get scuttle or steal the enemy's buff as long as you come back. Roaming is totally meta. But ditching them completely is not.

Basically, there's a way to do it. Your methods shouldn't come at the expense of another's.

3TWarrior1 votes

well, there in lies a problem as quite a few things seem to be designed around the expense of others. Marksman has become a central role where the players will consider it trolling if you try to play a different carry. The support is now a role where everything is about the marksman and then backup team player (this is why mage supports are so common now, so that the players can support while actually playing the game. That and not everyone can manage the micro-managing supports do)

the game does not actually have set rules of how to play, but only instead not to harrass your team, which is very vague and allows for troll behavior to go around

This Is Your Dad2 votes

I didn't read that but I have to say if you don't dive into 5 people with me 2v5 you're trolling. If you're defending the base from superminions while I'm trying to 1v3 in the enemy jungle with 2 inhibitors down you're trolling. If you miss smite at all you're trolling. If I smite my buff early and you accidentally take my jungle camp on a leash you're trolling. If we have a 3/14 Aurelion sol on our team and I die at all during the game as the carry, I'm intentionally feeding, and sol is just having a bad game.

I don't understand how you don't get it.

HavokDash1 votes

Yeah ^^^ is pretty much league community in a nutshell

3TWarrior2 votes

don't forget the people who do not know how items or champions work

you're the tank? why are you on our back line?

assassins that try to delete a tank

people that go in blind against a blitzcrank

people that forfeit a team fight because one of the carries dies

people that decide to farm jungle or randomly go after dragon while we need to push mid

and that was in season 5 and earlier XD I'm sure there are worse things to do now

HavokDash4 votes

Or the players who die ONCE and pull a "gg I am done. This trash team"

Players who will sit back and let thier teammates die to a 3v2 when it could have been 3v3 (if they helped) because "I Might have died" So they let 3 teammates die

Players who will let thier teammate die to a 1v4 ambush, then jump into /all chat "Report X for intentional feed"

When you have the player who has 24+ kills.....But when you suggest they help take down towers, they respond with "stfu noob, stop feeding" (side note, These players are happy to leave you to die to a teamfight because helping you doesnt guarantee that THEY get the kills, so they will spend the entire game farming off the stragglers/solos but leave teammates to die as it might negatively affect thier kda)

This community has sadly become less about working as a team to win objectives and towers. It has now become "I need all the kills so I can tell the rest of my team how garbage they are compared to me"

3TWarrior2 votes

though really, in my experience, the players that are the WORST...are the players that when you actually give them what they want...THEY STILL COMPLAIN AND MIGHT EVEN DO BADLY

maybe not worst though...as people who set out to ruin other peoples games actually intentionally...are in their own class of evil

HavokDash1 votes

What about the players who apparently feel its their duty to remind you...EVERY 5 Seconds! "Dont Feed...Hey...Just a reminder. Dont feed. Ok? Hey man! Stop feeding. Just a reminder, dont feed!" ....and this is after your first death. And they will spend the entire rest of the game spamming over and over How much of a 'feeder' you are and calling for theother team to "report for inting"

Yara01 votes

People apparently don't under stand that slang changes over time from what it originally meant your trying to define words that were never defined words in the first place.

HavokDash1 votes

As far as I am concerned, the idea of "trolling" when not blatantly obvious (like the mid laner who will intentionally go to bot lane and refuse to leave), the accusation of trolling is -subjective-. People dont ask thier teammates what they are trying to do. Whether they have a differing strategy. They will immediately jump to "Report for trolling"

They will even go so far as to tell players "Do X/Build Y or I will Report you for trolling" Did you ask them WHY they built what they did? Did you ask them Why they went to a specific place. Yeah, words change. But players in this community are label -anything- as Trolling. It basically boils down to: "This is how the match is gonna go according to my schedule, Follow it or you will be reported for trolling"

2Behold1 votes

I was once having a bad early game in norms (I'm unranked but probably low silver high bronze) and got accused of inting. I've never been so baffled that even if I were why would that matter since it's low level norms... Edit:also I get it isn't good to int but why get mad is what I mean.

HavokDash2 votes

Believe it or not...I have had a teammate tell me "I am reporting you" "why?" "For inting" "............."

My KDA: 0/0/0

I mean these people will label ANY death as Inting....even the ones that didnt even happen.

GentlemanGhidora1 votes

I'm sorry to hear yet another person finally reaching pretty much the end of their rope about this. I've been taking some time to think but it pretty much all boils down to instant-gratification and an unwillingness to adapt to any given circumstances as "meta" is assumed to be all-defining, regardless of what the reality of any situation may be.

I was laughing my ass off in a recent game. I notice my team all declaring their intents to not go tanky in the pre-game lobby. Okay, well, I am mid but I should be able to reasonably play something to fill that...screw it, I'm Bronze V, I've both seen and done worse picks in this exact scenario before and won. Mid Darius. Not ideal but whatever. I mean, since I can force a win from going Mid Tryndamere against a Le Blanc and a Trundle that's silly enough to waste time trying to gank me for so long that the rest of my team eventually scaled, then it stands to reason that Darius would arguably be MORE than useful in a team already FILLED with actual damage. Plus, this account doesn't have as many champs as I'd like it to. Almost entirely melee roster, and was banned out of the "better" options of the stuff I DID have.

So our Yi invades enemy red after he finishes his blue. I go to help, he gets the buff, I ping him away from the Jax and Annie (who had her stun prepped at this point), and Yi was low on health (as was I) and we could have safely left through top tri-bush as there was a clear and guaranteed safe route to leave. He walks DIRECTLY INTO BOTH OF THEM WITH FULL VISION well after I pinged him and already was leaving, suiciding First Blood and giving up the red buff I helped him secure for himself.

He then starts raging at me and calling me a troll and says, "I don't play with trolls", proceeds to steal every bit of farm from my lane and leech experience from me until I am forced to leave to hopefully help both top and bot going with a roaming gank or at least relieve the pressure so they can farm up a little more comfortably. He KEEPS DOING THIS TO ME at every opportunity given. Soon enough I'm 3 levels behind (and still falling behind further until close to the end of the game) and I am forced into an ENTIRELY tank build, can't even build Black Cleaver for waveclear because I'm being two-shot even with rushing magic resist and health against the Annie since she's got several levels on me. Catch-up experience is basically not a thing the entire game since I keep having everything stolen from me by the Yi.

He just farms jungle and waves all game, won't push blatantly obviously open and free lanes, won't help get dragons or baron, only padding his KDA and minion count when it's convenient to him, not to actually help win the game. He claims me and the Bard support are duo'ing and claims we are purposefully feeding/trolling the entire game long, and he avoids fighting the enemy at all costs if it means we slowly lose as he puts up a surrender vote every single time the game lets him.

I was practically pissing myself at how spiteful he was but we all kept 1/4'ing his surrender votes and I tried to support our Nasus as best I could since he was the real carry that game. We just couldn't do it. It was a valiant effort and I appreciated everyone keeping a level head about the situation (although Nasus kept begging Yi to help as it was a guaranteed win if he'd just get over himself).

But no, I was the troll. I was the one with a gross KDA and terrible CS count and under-leveled and didn't have a "proper" build. Yeah, 'cause you went out of your way to sabotage me from 2 minutes into the game! Like, it was genuinely funny to watch! I wish I could save the replay on this junk computer but it won't download for some reason.

So yeah, of course people are on edge all the time. We are all capable of over-reacting and as much as I fudge things up, at least I own up to it when I realize...yeah, that was me being stupid. That was me not realizing one thing or another. Yeah, I guess I should have just played a champion that probably would have gotten gibbed by that Annie anyway, but because I picked Darius because we needed someone to build as a tank (since the Nasus wasn't going to, at least, not quite the tank we would otherwise have needed him to be), maybe that Yi wouldn't have had a mental breakdown if I had been dying while playing Syndra or someone else that traditionally goes mid lane. Maybe it's just a perspective thing I failed to catch.

But hey, down here in the cesspool, it's all a crapshoot anyway. I've been beating myself up for a while now and just having this comically angry person gave me some much-needed laughs, despite the deliberate trolling/griefing he just loved to accuse me of (and our support, to a lesser degree).

I honestly hope things get better for you. For everyone. League is in one weird-ass place right now.

But, for now, I think I am okay with playing Ranked with a clown fiesta because, if nothing else, I learn how yet another person thinks. I enjoy figuring things out, whether it be about my own flaws, or just what could possibly be making someone else go ballistic, I can't honestly say I'm ever BORED of this game. God no. I might get flustered and upset before things calm down, but has this game EVER gotten boring to me? Never.

HavokDash1 votes

Sorry about your Yi, But yeah the sad thing is that with this community, They dont care what the context is, they will just say "Yeah you went 1/13. Ur trash and need to uninstall" and they will not take into account any outside circumstances. Any outside element. People will interchange between "its a team game" and "Take responsibility for your SOLO score" interchangeably.

If you dont play how THEY want, dont build how THEY want you to, Go where THEY want you to? Well then You are a troll and are not working "for the team" and Yet if you have teammates intentionally sabotaging you, intentionally feeding the enemy to the point they can 1-shot, This community will go "No, Your KDA is YOUR responsibility. Maybe you should just play safer and stop feeding" and they will not even look at WHY your kda is the way it is.

As for ranked? Yeah, I have gotten to the point where I dont even consider it a team anymore. I dont care about my rank. I dont care about my team. If I see them playing as a team? sure I will help out how I can. But my default position is it will be a loss because: -Team will ignore towers and dragons -team will follow the "Not my lane? Not My problem" attitude (Meaning if Mid and top decide they want to help 4-man invade bot. Mid and top will just keep farming, Their enemy isnt in their lane anymore, so Its Not their problem. And Yet they will be happy to tell bot lane "Dude, Stop feeding" when we go 0/1 -Team will spend 30 minutes just chasing kills all over the map. They will sit and wait for a kill to show up, chase the kill. If they succeed in the kill, they will Back, return to lane, and repeat the process (They wont take advantage of the death to push towers) -Team will spend the entire game telling thier teammates how "trash/garbage" they are and how "Reporting u for feeding/trolling/greifing" When you refuse to help them with an invade.

I Have said it before and I say it again. The summoners code is now a joke, a laughing stock. It is looked at as not something to follow, but something to Laugh at and dismiss. I used to be a team player, now I couldnt really give any fucks about my teammates.

GentlemanGhidora1 votes

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Sorry about your Yi, But yeah the sad thing is that with this community, They dont care what the context is, they will just say "Yeah you went 1/13. Ur trash and need to uninstall" and they will not take into account any outside circumstances. Any outside element. People will interchange between "its a team game" and "Take responsibility for your SOLO score" interchangeably.

If you dont play how THEY want, dont build how THEY want you to, Go where THEY want you to? Well then You are a troll and are not working "for the team" and Yet if you have teammates intentionally sabotaging you, intentionally feeding the enemy to the point they can 1-shot, This community will go "No, Your KDA is YOUR responsibility. Maybe you should just play safer and stop feeding" and they will not even look at WHY your kda is the way it is.

As for ranked? Yeah, I have gotten to the point where I dont even consider it a team anymore. I dont care about my rank. I dont care about my team. If I see them playing as a team? sure I will help out how I can. But my default position is it will be a loss because: -Team will ignore towers and dragons -team will follow the "Not my lane? Not My problem" attitude (Meaning if Mid and top decide they want to help 4-man invade bot. Mid and top will just keep farming, Their enemy isnt in their lane anymore, so Its Not their problem. And Yet they will be happy to tell bot lane "Dude, Stop feeding" when we go 0/1 -Team will spend 30 minutes just chasing kills all over the map. They will sit and wait for a kill to show up, chase the kill. If they succeed in the kill, they will Back, return to lane, and repeat the process (They wont take advantage of the death to push towers) -Team will spend the entire game telling thier teammates how "trash/garbage" they are and how "Reporting u for feeding/trolling/greifing" When you refuse to help them with an invade.

I Have said it before and I say it again. The summoners code is now a joke, a laughing stock. It is looked at as not something to follow, but something to Laugh at and dismiss. I used to be a team player, now I couldnt really give any fucks about my teammates.

The best we can do is take every game by itself because as much as I agree there’s too much irrational “troll” spamming, report threats, etc, they win when they get to us. That’s another reason I have had to learn to laugh off so much of it.

I am awash with guilt every time I let myself slam my desk and grit my teeth and swear at my screen for the blatant ignorance it must take. Again, I’ll cop to when I calm down after being personally dumb and reflect on it, but not everyone is like that. Even though its not, people generally see an admission of mistake as a weakness and they refuse THEY could be weak, so they press harder with their aggression.

But in that game I used as an example? 22/1/0 was Yi’s score, 483 CS, in a game just shy of 49:00 long with no rift, dragon, or baron count for our team.

Seems fishy even for a spiteful player. Looked up their match history. This player pulls this crap ALL THE TIME. You can’t be a one-trick Yi and still be bumming around B5 with constant scores like that. It’s clear the only times he wins is when either he doesn’t see “infractions” (aka scapegoats he can accuse of trolling for no reason) or if his team carries him kicking and screaming the entire way. He actively is LOOKING for excuses to lose but since he rarely speaks and doesn’t afk, he doesn’t get punished.

Fegone1 votes

While I would agree that people call a lot of things trolling now, on the other hand, you also have a lot of people just behaving outright nasty. When I started league many years ago, I didn't get called a f*****, nobody wished death and cancer upon my family, and I didn't get told to kill myself at least once per day.

what do those things have in common? I dk man, maybe it's just illustrating that the community as a whole changes over time. I bet in 5 years from now people will look back and say: well back then they were calling everything a troll, but at least they didn't do blablabla back then...

HavokDash1 votes

Yeah I remember when I started playing, people were happy to actually HELP new players. Even now If I see someone playing a champ (like soraka) I will give little tips that I found work for me (such as watching thier movements and aiming Q predictively so the enemy walks INTO it instead of the soraka chasing them with abilities) Now all I see are people talking about how "OP Solo carry" they are and "report my trash team for feeding" (They dont even know the difference between intentional feeding and just being outplayed) and "Enjoy ur ban trash kid".....and this is being directed at NEW players. Players who DONT know the champs, DONT know the mechanics, In some cases are only days into an account.

But riot has created an atmosphere where Everyone thinks they are the next LCS champion, They spend the whole game talking about how they dont need any help. About how amazing THEY are. But the moment they die because they tried to 1v3 at 5% health and get stomped, they will turn around "Report this team, trash team doesnt know how to follow up"

The level of arrogance, narcissism and Elitism that has infested this community is sickening. Everyone thinks they are "Too good for this team" and if anyone other than THEM gets a kill, the player will immediately call "KS" and throw the mother of all infantile temper tantrums.

I have said many times In games "I dont care who gets what kills, I just want the damn win" but apparently even that is too hard for players. They cant work together because its sort of an "If I help my TEAM.....that means less kills for ME" idea. So players ignore thier team and go off chasing solos while thier team dies in mid because they didnt have a tank/top/adc/etc.

SetInMotion1 votes

What if your adc goes rammus takes smite on purpose grabs jg items and just flat out goes into the enemies with no purpose? Lol this happened to me yesterday, weirdly enough we won because I went leo support so essentially I was leo adc and did pretty great got the most honours and got shot calling at that :) games are winnable with a clear troll lol.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Well, what about my Mundo top, that built Spirit Visage first vs Fiora lane, and 3 other AD champs in jungle / mid / ADC?

GentlemanGhidora1 votes

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Well, what about my Mundo top, that built Spirit Visage first vs Fiora lane, and 3 other AD champs in jungle / mid / ADC?

I genuinely don't know in that specific scenario. Are they genuinely that faithful to past seasons of buffing Mundo's passive to the exclusion of all else first thing? Bramblevest first vs Fiora is always a good choice (alongside ninja tabis, obv) but is it ignorance or legitimate trolling they chose not to do so BEFORE the Spirit Visage? Not every case is black & white.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Cmon, even if he is ignorant, it's still trolling to me. How can you be so out of touch?

GentlemanGhidora1 votes

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Cmon, even if he is ignorant, it's still trolling to me. How can you be so out of touch?

To me, trolling has to involve malicious intent. Ignorance is separate from that.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Ignorance is intentional. You intentionally go into a game without knowing how it works, or without reading patch notes. A couple of months ago I played a game with a couple of friends and they were surprised by a patch note change (think it was the mage items) and bought Morello first and well, they didn't do so well. It's ignorance at first, but when you think about it, I've told them numerous times "read the patch notes, so you know what's changed". They keep ignoring this advice INTENTIONALLY, so being ignorant is intended.

GentlemanGhidora1 votes

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Ignorance is intentional. You intentionally go into a game without knowing how it works, or without reading patch notes. A couple of months ago I played a game with a couple of friends and they were surprised by a patch note change (think it was the mage items) and bought Morello first and well, they didn't do so well. It's ignorance at first, but when you think about it, I've told them numerous times "read the patch notes, so you know what's changed". They keep ignoring this advice INTENTIONALLY, so being ignorant is intended.

That is selective (willfull) ignorance which is a whole other can of worms.

Tempist1 votes

It really depends on context.

Is a player just having a really bad game and tilted off the face of the earth? That is understandable, and should not constitute trolling.

Is a player angry, and building a deathcap on Riven? That's not an off-meta build like AP malphite, IMO that is pretty blatant trolling. (For reference, Riven has no AP ratios)

Is a player upset that their jungler didn't gank, and is using Azir to solo splitpush a lane that has an open inhibitor, and without wards? Despite the fact that his team told him to not do so, that it's a bad idea. That he is currently alone in bot lane when baron is also up. That is trolling. It may be passive aggressive, but it's nonetheless blatant trolling.

It's simply unfortunate that half the community has difficulty differentiating between said passive aggressive trolling and stupidity. It's more unfortunate that Riot's algorithms are also incapable of doing so, which means the passive aggressive "Imma stop trying" sort of trolling is essentially never punished.

HavokDash1 votes

Yes I understand, But as I said this community is so eager to find a scapegoat. Every match that ends in a loss, you are basically a 1 in 5 chance of being blamed for the loss. The community is so wrapped up in their perfectionism (I can do no wrong) attitude. That they need to find someone else to blame. I have had bad games, I know there are plenty of games where i fuck up. I admit that, I am NOT perfect.

But alot of players have such a sickening level of arrogance, that they could never be the cause of a loss, that they will look for anything they can use to pin the blame on anyone else. So they look for anything they can label as "Trolling"

I remember playing a game where I was doing poor...but not ultimately bad (I think I was like....2/5 with an off meta build) Teemo went into "/all "report our adc for trolling. Look at that build" and the funniest thing was the enemy team's response. Someone replied with: "Is "Report our adc for trolling" Teemo-speak for "I am a 1/8 teemo and need to take the attention off myself by calling to report the adc"?"

I laughed so hard when I read that. But it shows what this community is becomming.

Tempist1 votes

The above is all well and good, but it doesn't address any of my points. Namely the idea that trolling is alot more common than you think it is. That simply trying to lose and/or giving up in a passive aggressive way does in fact constitute trolling. And I think while some others may overuse the term, I think you yourself may be underselling the problem. Alot of the players who have cost you games by simply playing exceptionally poorly, well, I'm confident quite a few of those losses were intentional.

Besides that...I don't know what your rank is, and I'm not about to look it up. But I will say that past a certain elo, even bad decisions can IMO constitute trolling. For instance, if Baron was up and contestable, and my jungler decides to show bot lane to split push and thereby give up the objective, I'd call that trolling. IMO by mid silver, a jungler knows that you don't just concede Baron like that. If they aren't aware of it, they wouldn't have achieved their rank. That's another example of the passive-aggressive style of trolling that Riot is seemingly incapable of punishing in any meaningful fashion.

HavokDash1 votes

another match lost because our top lane was too busy flaming the team and bragiing about all his kills. Doesnt ping MIA unless its spamming "enemy is missing" on his teammates. Then calls to "Report mid for intentional feeding" People cant tell the difference between intentional feeding and being outplayed. So because he lost his promos, renekton takes it out on his team by calling for "intentional feeding" reports on mid laner.

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