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Flaming Players because you dont like the fact PYKE IS A SUPPORT.

HavokDash··73 votes·21,423 views

Pyke is an ASSASSIN support....get it.. A SUPPORT. Yes he can be jungle or mid. But just because you are too lazy to look him up or want to continue to act like its season 2, does not give you the right to flame people for picking a champ that YOU dont approve of. Becuase YOU decide "Nah he isnt a support, he is jungle or mid, not support!, ur trolling if u go pyke support" I told someone that Pyke is considered an assassin support because his ult still feeds kill gold to the adc. The response I got was "then riot made a mistake" Yeah just because YOU want to keep the characters stale and uninteresting, conforming rigidly to roles, doesnt mean other people dont actually enjoy it. I play a very Poke-heavy, very mobile playstyle. Hit and run, poke and chip them down, move around, find new angle, repeat. I dont need some self-rightous toddler who feels it is there personal duty to beat teammates over the head with "ur this role so you can only choose from these champs" You meta cultists are the ones who keep the game from actually improving or trying something new because you still expect the game to play like its season 2. -support isnt allowed CS -support isnt allowed kills -support isnt supposed to build damage items -support is supposed to sacrifice thier own life to make sure the adc can get away -support is supposed to ward the entire map. -support isnt allowed to leave thier adc for anything (even helping other teammates)

  • if match is lost, it is by default the support's fault regardless of circumstance)

and Riot wonders why no one really likes playing support, because their teammates have this stick up thier ass about how a support is 'supposed' to be played rather than just LET THEM DO THIER FUCKING JOB. I swear I am less likely to go out of my way to save them if I have to listen to how "completely fucking useless support" I am after I healthdump 90% of my health into one player to make sure they stay alive long enough to get to safety. So Yeah, I will admit I find pyke a refreshing change of pace as a support player. But just because he does damage, because he has an execute for an ult, doesnt mean he isnt a support....JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT" Get that swelled head out of your ass and take a look around, it ISNT SEASON 2 anymore. Supports can have executes, supports can get kills, supports can take cs. And this support is more than happy to leave your arrogant self-centered ass out to rot and take the kills for myself, then Lets see who is the "useless" one. Dont kick your supports when they are down, then wonder why they arent gonna throw thier life away for you.

216 Comments

IcyPepper31 votes

-support isnt allowed to leave thier adc for anything (even helping other teammates)

Me when I come across players who still believe they can enforce this: [sg-miss-fortune]

NocturnalSheild9 votes

{quoted}

Me when I come across players who still believe they can enforce this: [sg-miss-fortune]

They can easily.

By dieing to the 2v1 when the leona simply ults your adc and laughs off the tower shots.

Leaving your adc alone is stupid unless your duo with them and you know they are capable of 1v2ing a lane.

The Fearcrow9 votes

Its not okay to leave the adc alone all the time but in some cases the benefit of going elsewhere temporarily can out weigh the risk of leaving the adc for a bit. Regardless you should always let them know that you are leaving lane and that they should try and stay safe.

IcyPepper7 votes

There's a time and place to roam. We are allowed to leave our ADC at times, it's just a matter of knowing when.

There's a difference between being a part of the team and holding their hand. Supports can help other teammates from time to time.

Electro5222 votes

Me, personally, I don't really care where my support goes, as long as they are in lane a little more than half the time. I only have a problem with it if they are practically never in lane, because I start losing out on CS from being pushed under tower constantly.

IcyPepper2 votes

The way I see it, roaming needs to accomplish something that usually leads to a domino effect if I'm successful.

Gank top lane? Take tower, boom you just got some gold and the top laner is probably going to be grateful enough to gank bot with me. Jungler too, since I helped take some pressure off his shoulders.

I'm coming off a bit strong right now, I admit, but my reasoning is based on tactical decisions Lux and having agency as a player in the game. I am not a fan of doing X because people said so, but doing X when X is appropriate and Y when it's time to do Y.

Sarutobi23 votes

It is sad that people still have this mentality. I just had a game where i played a non-meta Support character. And the ADC threaten to report me if i ever took one CS. Mind you i had Relic Shield and the moment i activated it, the ADC went NUTS!

HavokDash6 votes

Yeah I have had games where I could blindly explain Relic shield, EXPLAIN CLEARLY HOW PYKE'S ULT WORKS..... and still they throw a friggin tantrum and quit the game because "Support wont stop taking my CS/Kills!" This community is a bunch of coddled toddlers, the moment they dont get what THEY want or the whole team doesnt cater to thier demands, they throw a shitfit.

SparklingLama16 votes

I play support and if i think my adc isn't doing well enough even with my help then i just move on to other lanes and help where its needed. Not my fault if hes going to over extend and die, not my job to be his eyes as well and tell him how he needs to play.

Karunamon2 votes

Not leaving your ADC 2v1 is where you need to be before they get fed. That is literally your job as support early game.. keep your primary damage source alive and get them fed.

Modi18 votes

So, you're saying I should go support my midlaner?

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

3TWarrior4 votes

no, they're obviously saying we should go back to 2 - 1 - 2 lanes and support the top-carry! XD

The23rdGamer3 votes

{quoted}

I play support and if i think my adc isn't doing well enough even with my help then i just move on to other lanes and help where its needed. Not my fault if hes going to over extend and die, not my job to be his eyes as well and tell him how he needs to play.

I do this too. Especially on someone like Alistar who loves to roam around and feed his whole team some kills, or at least apply some extra pressure around the map. It bugs when someone asks for me to play Alistar and then asks me to sit on top of them while they farm instead of them just staying back and safely freezing the wave and farming that way while I roam around the map. Then they wonder why I'm behind and nobody on our team is tanky enough because I'm the team's only tank :P (Yes I'm aware that if the enemy lane is like Varus Zyra or something then I'll need to bot more often than other situations, but still... Ezreal Kaisa are both really popular right now too and they are even better at staying safe while farming than the average ADC, at least imo.)

Heck, I've even ran summoner 12 on Nami just so I could teleport to somewhere unexpected and CC the enemy midlaner or toplaner or save a tower. People like Yorick and Diana have appreciated this from time to time, but I usually get flamed by my ADC whenever I do it. :/

Naymliss3 votes

I used to play a lot of adc and had supports flat out abandon my lane after I missed a few cs because "I sucked for missing a cannon". Then I got reported by my team for not ever having farm (had to completely concede almost all farm because I was against an engage support that could dive me whenever). Point is I hate it when supports abandon their lane because "their adc sucks", because that's subjective, and if the support is on tilt their judgement is even worse.

That being said, I op.gg my adcs, and if they have terrible stats, I play zyra and make sure I hard carry them.

SparklingLama2 votes

{quoted}

I used to play a lot of adc and had supports flat out abandon my lane after I missed a few cs because "I sucked for missing a cannon". Then I got reported by my team for not ever having farm (had to completely concede almost all farm because I was against an engage support that could dive me whenever). Point is I hate it when supports abandon their lane because "their adc sucks", because that's subjective, and if the support is on tilt their judgement is even worse.

That being said, I op.gg my adcs, and if they have terrible stats, I play zyra and make sure I hard carry them.

So get better at csing. Most people here have blown what ive said out of proportion and thinking what i mean is im just gonna bail on my adc 2-4mins in. If my adc shows they cannot simply handle themselves in a lane with me with several engages attempts or they can't have proper positioning and we've already lost the lane why should i waste my time trying to help a teammate thats already behind when i can simply roam to another lane thats doing better and get them ahead? I AM THE TEAMS SUPPORT I AM NOT BOUND TO ONLY THE ADC.

Arammus13 votes

know whats even more fun? someone flamed a pyke in my team for "not buying hp" loool. the idiots that cant read tend to be the ppl that think they are always correct

3TWarrior2 votes

actually, his passive turns hp into AD, but it's a ridiculous ratio

item 1028 150 hp is only about 10 AD, so I suppose that might balance out, but it seems like RIOT might have just wanted to make an assassin that could not function as a full-tank after the ekko, akali and fizz incidents, so they just tacked on this passive randomly

HavokDash2 votes

Yeah I find it funny how people who dont even bother to read about a champ, seem to think they know better than the people who actually MADE THE CHAMP. But no I was told how because they made Pyke a Assassin support "Then Riot made a mistake" apparently.

1wolfpack9 votes

Before pyke came out I have been playing non meta supports similar to pyke, assassin/burst style with high mobility, and I win lane and win game most of the time with this strat, but because they were non-meta my team would flame me in champ select, they would either dodge, or feed in game cause they assumed I was a troll so I rarely played those champions.

Now that Pyke is out I can finally play the style I want in the support role. I havent played him in ranked yet, however hopefully I get a more positive response from my team-mates than u did.

good luck.

BLACK REALM GOD7 votes

Pyke - support assassin Rakan - support fighter Braum - support tank Zilean - support mage Janna - support support {{summoner:36}} - support marksman (can't wait till this one happens. the community will start flipping tables)

Playful Lutra13 votes

{{summoner:36}} - support marksman (can't wait till this one happens. the community will start flipping tables)

I mean, MissFortune supp was/is a thing and Ashe could work as a supp too (constant slows, extremely safe scouting tool, and of course the ability to help out a fight top lane while still supporting your adc)

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Ashe support works in some situations. Just need to do it right.

BLACK REALM GOD7 votes

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I mean, MissFortune supp was/is a thing and Ashe could work as a supp too (constant slows, extremely safe scouting tool, and of course the ability to help out a fight top lane while still supporting your adc)

no no no no no.

those arent "support marksmen"

those are marksmen that are trying to fill that empty gap of not having a support marksman. so one day it might happen in order to fill that gap and grant a player the option to be a support marksman.

Kato Shuu2 votes

If I'm not mistaken, before they change Support into enchanters and other stuff. Wasn't Ashe Marksman/Support?

It Hertz When IP2 votes

She was, a very long time ago, back when the meta was a lot more fluid. At medium to lower ranks, you could take literally anyone with range and some kind of CC into the support role.

It's been a long time since kind of thinking was viable.

Myozthirirn2 votes

Back when slows stacked Ashe -> item 2056 item 3022 item 3085 item 3096 item 3303 item 3117

Permanent aoe undodgeable 57% slow machine that also warded the whole map.

MohawkBird5 votes

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GreenLore2 votes

To be honest I'd argue that Rakan was the fist support assassin,as he pretty much plays like an assassin that deals CC instead of damage,while Pyke is an actual assassin that can be played as a supp.

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

Riot literally described him as "The support for Assassin mains" :(

J0rt2 votes

That's ashe :)Ashe

Spikeatron11 votes

[{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9ocLGNpK,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-06-03T19:22:48.711+0000)

Pyke - support assassin Rakan - support fighter Braum - support tank Zilean - support mage Janna - support support {{summoner:36}} - support marksman (can't wait till this one happens. the community will start flipping tables)

you could almost class caitlyn Caitlyn as a support marksman with her kit lol it would be an interesting one to see played

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

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you could almost class caitlyn Caitlyn as a support marksman with her kit lol it would be an interesting one to see played

ive actually tried making that argument with jhin and caitlyn both, but people lose their minds and insta lock trundle.

HavokDash2 votes

Thats why I cant stand the cult of meta, rather than have people come up with thier own strategies and logic and try and work together, they use the "meta" or whats a "Real" champ (Real support, real mid laner, real jungle etc) so they can beat you over the head with it and use that label as a way to "punish" people for actually trying something that could work.

As soon as they label you a 'troll" then it gives them a free pass to do whatever they want and still maintain thier "high horse" Well you Went X support so its perfectly fine for me to pick trundle and not help you when you need it, to intentionally sabotage you when you are trying to win, because I dont need to help "trolls" Its essentially a "get out of blame free" card. "just blame the "Troll" support/mid/jungle/etc and you can do whatever you want guilt-free

AirKingNeo5 votes

Pyke isn't a support. Literally, nothing in his kit makes him a support.

Riot saying he's a support doesn't make him one. Is Orianna an ADC now if Riot says she is?

VindicatorOFThey9 votes

his Q pulls enemy adc ,, combo with the E to stun the adc ,,, (your adc does dmg ,, so pyke can ult the enemy adc ,,, and the 2 players that killed the enemy adc get FULL GOLD value ^.^ ,,,) something like agressive support with no shilds to give :D

AirKingNeo1 votes

hey if I'm an assassin or mage, how does Pyke stop me from killing his adc

Pyke can't stop me so he isn't a support.

S0lShadows13 votes

Your logic is so flawed in hurts me. How does that even make sense? Yes he has ways to stop you from killing his adc. He has a stun and a hook that he can use to CC you and force you to pay attention to him or he will kill you. Secondly, there is far more to being a support than preventing your adc from dying. For example:

  • Warding
  • Pykes W allows for him to harass his opponents in lane and strike from unexpected angles
  • Pykes W allows him to roam mid very quickly and assist in getting mid fed
  • CCing enemies so that they can be killed by their team
  • Creating an opponent that the enemy must focus before the adc or get killed very quickly
  • Picking enemies off and pulling him towards his team for kills

Theres more to a support than simply "keep my adc alive." In fact, that is typically the tanks job to make sure that the enemies dont make it to the backline, not the supports.

  • When I play bard, my focus is CCing enemies and catching them with my ult, not protecting my adc.
  • When I play brand, my focus is on dealing large % health damage to enemies and AOE CC, not protecting my adc.
  • When I play blitz, my focus is on pulling enemies into my team, not focusing my adc.
  • When I play morgana, my goal is to CC enemy carries and stun a large area around me, not protect my adc.
  • When I play Leona, my focus is on providing a massive amount of CC on a single target, not protecting my adc.

The only supports that really focus on protecting their adc are Lulu, Soraka, Alistar and Taric. This idea that Pyke has to be able to protect his adc directly is absurd. Pyke is indirectly protecting his adc, by creating a high priority target the enemy team has to focus. Judging by your replies to peoples reasoning so far, you dont seem like someone capable of understanding common sense or being open to reason, but hey, Ill give it a shot.

AirKingNeo1 votes

No, supports job is literally vision control and keeping allies alive.

Pyke can't keep allies alive.

My Waifu Vanilla4 votes

Then how do brand zyra velkoz blitz leona all manage to be fine to you? Absolutely none of them are going to go out of their way to peel for you. They are either going to let you die and just 1v2 in the case of the mages or make picks and dive in for the others? It's very rarely that Leona will use her CC to save you since chances are if you are caught out....its not saving you from Rengar.

1wolfpack20 votes

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Pyke isn't a support. Literally, nothing in his kit makes him a support.

Riot saying he's a support doesn't make him one. Is Orianna an ADC now if Riot says she is?

what makes a support? pyke has CC = check pyke has a hook = check pyke ult gives full kill gold to team-mates = check

people are too caught up in labels, if it helps u win, then who cares what you play.

AirKingNeo6 votes

cool

how does he protect his adc? how does he zone enemy diver's?

Terozu11 votes

That's not what makes someone a support. His kit is more support like then Blitzcrank.

AirKingNeo2 votes

except Thresh has a 99% slow and a knockup, and his lantern.

Blitz has an aoe silence and a knockup.

Pyke has a stun that isn't even targeted and very easy for any assassin to avoid.

Terozu7 votes

Pyke has a targeted aoe slow, a hook, an aoe execute that shares gold, an aoe stun and stealth to let him surprise opponents.

His kit is better at supporting than Blitzcrank so if you don't think Pyke should be support then you shoulsn't like Blitz as a support.

Blitz is a fighter who is used as a support btw.

AirKingNeo1 votes

sharing gold sounds like a jungler thing. stealth sounds like mid lane/jungler thing

what aoe targeted slow? he has none. His hook takes a long charge.

He doesn't have AoE CC or targeted CC that people in range CANNOT AVOID

Terozu11 votes

Take another look at his hook ability. It can also be used as a targeted slow.

Stealth does not make a champs lane. Teemo isnt suddenly a jungler any more than stealth makes Twitch a mage.

Sharing Gold is best used on a duo lane, not in the jungle.

He is a support. Whether you like it or not, does not matter.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Teemo's stealth skill isn't mobile, now is it?

Except nothing makes Pyke a support. He can't protect his team.

Bottom Laner9 votes

item 3190 Hey look he can protect his team wow amazing

AirKingNeo1 votes

except he can't build locket because he gets no bonus HP.

EDIT: fuck I was downvoted for understanding this basic fact.

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