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I'm not "triggered" by you throwing insults.

Eedat··548 votes·60,528 views

I'm not going to cry myself to sleep tonight because you were mean to me. I'm not "offended" by trash talk. I'm not some idiot who thinks we can rid the internet of trolls one day. I'm also not a "SJW" because I think you should be banned for it. When it comes down to it, LoL is how I use some of my free time for entertainment._ I don't want it to be my second job of babysitting players who are throwing legit toddler hissy fits because they aren't getting their way_. That is why you get banned. LoL is a team game and if you can't handle that then bye. If you're playing then you better be in it to win it. I'm not going to put up with you tilting my top laner because you feel you're the best shot caller in history and know the exact right decisions 100% of the time. I'm not going to just deal with you spending 10 minutes afk typing paragraphs at people. I don't acknowledge your divine right of telling others what to do. I don't feel like listening to you whine. _ The minimum requirement is being neutral. Basic human decency is enough. You don't even have to be nice. _ Exercise some self control. You're going to need it anyway in life.

LoL is not real life where we have no choice but to accept that sometimes people are assholes or commit crimes. LoL is something that people opt in to investing their time and money. If they're not enjoying it, they simply just leave. Why would I want to waste my free time babysitting toddlers when I can go do something that is actually enjoyable?

Let me give you another example. You run a movie theater. You have one customer in a room of 100 talking on their phone and ruining the time of the 99 other customers. Do you not kick the person on their phone out? Sure they paid for their ticket and might buy more in the future, but by allowing one person to ruin everyone else's time you might lose 50 other customers who are showing basic decency in the process. Coming to the movie theater is not mandatory and people will not come if they aren't enjoying themselves.

The punishment system is varied by region and is dictated by the playerbase. If enough people get tired of your shit, you're shown the door. It's as simple as that. Losing your money is much better than losing the money of 10 others who are tired of putting up with you.

Let me answer some of the responses that I'm sure some people are gonna copy/paste for the thousandth time

I've been banned FAQ

"LoL players are snowflakes that get triggered by everything!"

No, like I said I really just dont feel like babysitting. Don't worry. I'm not actually offended, I just dont want to deal with you. Act the way you are in real life and very few will be your friend or want to be around you. Do it at a job and you'll get fired. Do it at a business and you'll get kicked out. People don't like dealing with assholes anywhere really. That doesn't make someone a snowflake. It's just how humans work. Maybe you should work on not getting triggered by an internet stranger dying in a video game. Just saying.

"I spent $1000 on this game and Riot took it from me!"

That's nice. Read the terms you agreed to. Lots of players spend money on this game. Like I said, it makes more financial sense to ban you than it does to risk losing 10 players who are fed up with people like you. Plus Riot probably doesn't feel like dealing with your shit just as much as we don't.

"But there are still toxic people so obviously its not working!"

C'mon bruh. No shit we're never going to be free of people being assholes on the internet. But you're going to sit here with a straight face and attempt to tell me that the system doesn't prevent a fuck ton of it? You're gonna try to tell me that removing the penalties isn't going to increase it tenfold? Seriously?

"People can just make new accounts!"

Yes they can. Thats just part of the reality of f2p games we have to deal with. The goal of a permanent ban is to hopefully persuade a person to stop playing LoL altogether. Some people actually will quit. Others will learn their lesson. Others will continue doing the same thing. Getting some of these players out is better than none.

"Just use the mute button!"

Like I said, LoL is a team game. If I mute you then I lose the ability to communicate with one of my team mates which lowers my odds of winning. I also can't control you tilting the fuck out of the rest of my team and making them play worse. In it to win it or gtfo.

"Why not just have longer/permanent chat restrictions!"

Because thats how it used to be and it didn't work. It didn't stop players from being toxic. It actually made it worse. People with practically permanent chat restrictions just found other ways of spiting people by trolling or soft inting. Speaking of which...

"But trolls and inters get banned less!"

Frankly because it's harder to detect. The system is capable of detecting the most blatant offenders (I.E. buying tears, mobis, and running it down mid). There are literally millions of players playing billions of matches. It's just laughably unrealistic to expect Riot to have actual people review every replay every time someone is reported. Chat is easier to monitor and that's just a reality we have to deal with. It's not ideal but its reality. Go ahead, try writing an algorithm that cant detect the difference between someone trying to spit push and someone intentionally not grouping. Or one that can tell the difference between someone getting caught and someone intentionally stepping just a little too far forward. I'll wait. Forgive me for not holding my breath.

"The IFS is too sensitive!"

It's not. I have been playing for almost 6 years now and have never been chat restricted once. It's not because I never say anything negative. As a matter of fact I have told many trolls to "shut the fuck up" or "fuck off" plenty of times. The difference being is this is pretty rare because I only do this to actual trolls and people being over the top assholes. I don't do this to someone who is 0/3 by 10 minutes because they're having a bad game. I also limit myself to one line then mute them and dont spend the rest of the match typing a 2000 word essay on how much I hate them.

"I was defending myself!"

No you weren't. You were throwing insults back. That's an eye for an eye. That's not how our society works. You aren't high and mighty by sinking to their level. You're just being a dick too.

"I only got punished because a premade ganged up on me!"

Wrong again. One report triggers the exact same review that nine does. You got punished for throwing insults back or starting it to begin with. Please refer to "I was defending myself!"

"Riot should give me a second chance!"

You've already been given one. You've probably been given multiple. Chat restrictions are warning you that your behavior is not acceptable. A 14 day ban is Riot telling you to cut the crap or you're gone. You chose to ignore the warnings and chances you've already been given. You now have to deal with the consequences. Have some accountability for your actions.

"BUT MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH!"

You are clueless as to what this actually means. What this means is that the government will not arrest you for your ideas or words as long as you aren't harming the well-being of others. It does not apply to private business AT ALL. A private business has every right to dictate what you are and are not allowed to say under their domain. Not only do they have the right to regulate their private domain, but you also agreed to a contract that specifically prohibits you from acting negatively to others. Again, read the terms you agreed to. This does not in any way, shape, or form violate or infringe on your rights of free speech. You can't continue talking in a movie theater because you have free speech. You can't scream obscenities at people in a bar because you have free speech. You can't make death threats to someone because you have free speech. Libel and slander are still crimes you can get sued for. Understand now?

361 Comments

Zombie Gerbil105 votes

Good on you. I couldn't have said it better.

On the behalf of the undead gerbil family, I commend you. Here, have an upvote.

CharDeeMcDenniz58 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

KFCeytron52 votes

You may not have been triggered by the insults, but it sure looks like you were triggered by being told that you were triggered, or you wouldn't have posted a 17-paragraph rant about it. The people who triggered you aren't here to read this. Just take a deep breath, slowly let it out, and find something else to be mad about to distract you from this (that's what I do, anyway).

Eedat92 votes

This is pretty silly. Writing a detailed response has nothing to do with being triggered. I really dont understand where you even got that idea. People respond to ideas they disagree with all the time. It has nothing to do with being salty

KFCeytron16 votes

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This is pretty silly. Writing a detailed response has nothing to do with being triggered. I really dont understand where you even got that idea. People respond to ideas they disagree with all the time. It has nothing to do with being salty

They obviously affected you very strongly to make you spend so much time on it. Kind of the definition of triggered, friendo.

Eedat80 votes

Having a discussion on a discussion forum is not the definition of triggered, sorry.

KFCeytron12 votes

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Having a discussion on a discussion forum is not the definition of triggered, sorry.

It's a reference to how a small stimulus (like activating the trigger mechanism on a gun) produce a very large response (like gunfire). Some jerks were mean to you in a match, which sucks, but didn't actually take up too much time. In response, you wrote and posted this giant thing, which the people who triggered you won't even read.

This is why people are jerks, by the way: to make others expend a lot of time and effort thinking about how and why a jerk was mean to them.

Eedat54 votes

Frankly your logic doesn't make any sense. You are more or less saying that responding to any argument is being triggered and is pointless because some people won't listen. Honestly that's very ridiculous. Of course some won't listen. Others will. This applies to practically any argument made in human history. People had to argue that the earth was a sphere to people that didn't want to hear it too. That doesnt mean an argument shouldn't be made.

KFCeytron9 votes

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Frankly your logic doesn't make any sense. You are more or less saying that responding to any argument is being triggered and is pointless because some people won't listen. Honestly that's very ridiculous. Of course some won't listen. Others will. This applies to practically any argument made in human history. People had to argue that the earth was a sphere to people that didn't want to hear it too. That doesnt mean an argument shouldn't be made.

The people who were rude in your match, whom you're "responding to," aren't here. Readers who agree with you already agree with you, and those whose goal is to trigger others will see that insults work really well. "They're playing another game, where they win by making you incredibly angry." If anything, you've made the problem worse.

Eedat49 votes

What are you talking about? I didn't make this thread because I just got flamed in a match. I made it as a response to arguments people make on this board. Are you going to tell me that the people making these arguments on this board aren't on this board to see this? This isn't making much sense

XL BENCH PRESS15 votes

But you are clearly triggered and salty. Someone literally triggered you to come here and write this gargantuan rant.

It's like when people come to the boards and write a post RE: "Someone said I'm trash in game and I don't care at all" --> Proceeds to write 50 sentences about how their feelings were not hurt.

LMAO. You brush things off when you're not triggered. You write a story about it when you are. Simples. [slayer-jinx-catface]

Eedat62 votes

It's a response, not a rant. Writing a detailed disagreement and addressing counter points is called a discussion. Having a discussion on a discussion forum is not being triggered.

Jade Queen18 votes

It's funny how far you went to prevent these shitty replies from ass-hats in the first part of your discussion. Can't beat it. If people want to pick into you, they will.

Thanks for the post. I liked it. Calm and collected. Don't go mute![slayer-jinx-catface]

XL BENCH PRESS16 votes

People are downvoting you, hilarious. I'm really surprised, given the gleaming representation of society League of Legends represents.

Boards: where people upvote "I WAS PERMABANNED AND DIDN'T DESERVE IT", but downvote "How can I become a better player?"

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Voldymort34 votes

a downvoite means that someone disagreed with the statement/position

if you think it means anything else then you're reading too much into it

R107 Games24 votes

That's not what downvotes are used for. Holy shit.

This pisses me off more than anything else. Downvoted are for:

  • unconstrictive comments.

  • comments that are toxic

  • Incoherent blather

  • factually wrong statements

  • Uselessly off-topic comments

Downvotes are not used for disagreement.why? Becuase:

  • it ruins discussion

  • it can unjustly make someone feel unwelcome

  • it can bring good posts down

  • it promotes "hive mind" mentality (you can see this firsthand on this board actually)

I mean, why do you think gameplay+ removed downvotes!?

Downvoting just for disagreement does more harm than good. Its like people forget downvotes effectively bring a comment down or make it "thresh hold". How the fuck does a person deserve that just because you simply disagree with him??

This thread should help: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/36m9ks/why_is_the_downvote_button_not_the_equivalent_of/#ampf=undefined

Its like you guys trashed the intended use of Downvotes just because you can't handle someone having different opinions.

Downvotes are not meant for disagreement,period.

Voldymort35 votes

i downvoted you because i disagree with all that

[sg-ezreal]

ModPeriscope11 votes

I mean, I downvoted because he actually counted out the paragraphs. I mean, that's weird, right?

XL BENCH PRESS4 votes

Ha, fair enough. Did you count the paragraphs too though? You know, to be sure that he did indeed count the paragraphs? Leblanc

ModPeriscope8 votes

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Ha, fair enough. Did you count the paragraphs too though? You know, to be sure that he did indeed count the paragraphs? Leblanc

Uh oh....

Hellmaximus12 votes

Periscope.... we gotta take you to the farm boy.....we will go on the best walk...in the forest...don't mind my 12 gauge...

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

SonicAF17 votes

I'll point out some bullshit, if you don't mind.

No, like I said I really just dont feel like babysitting. Don't worry. I'm not actually offended, I just dont want to deal with you. Act the way you are in real life and nobody will be your friend or want to be around you. Do it at a job and you'll get fired. Do it at a business and you'll get kicked out. People don't like dealing with assholes anywhere really.

There are the entire guilds of assholes in MMORPGs with really toxic environment. Some people like being there.

C'mon bruh. No shit we're never going to be free of people being assholes on the internet. But you're going to sit here with a straight face and attempt to tell me that the system doesn't prevent a fuck ton of it? You're gonna try to tell me that removing the penalties isn't going to increase it tenfold? Seriously?

And assholes will never be free of the attrmpts to censor them. If you feel like you must enforce behaviour, do it like a human and implement necessary punishments, not barbaric ones.

Getting some of these players out is better than none.

Not if you could keep them. And you could.

Like I said, LoL is a team game. If I mute you then I lose the ability to communicate with one of my team mates which lowers my odds of winning.

Due to difference in playstyles and opinions, as well as different rate of improving one's skill, muting all and doing your thing improves your chances of winning in soloqueue.

It's not. I have been playing for almost 6 years now and have never been chat restricted once. It's not because I never say anything negative. As a matter of fact I have told many trolls to "shut the fuck up" or "fuck off" plenty of times. The difference being is this is pretty rare because I only do this to actual trolls and people being over the top assholes. I don't do this to someone who is 0/3 by 10 minutes because they're having a bad game. I also limit myself to one line then mute them and dont spend the rest of the match typing a 2000 word essay on how much I hate them.

One instance of such behaviour finishes off the player, who used ZT speech in the past for any reason. https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/VsXGhRh1-punishment-system This guy will lose his account if he behaves like you once. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ALsKWJcs-did-i-seriously-get-banned-for-this This guy did.


I could nitpick a little more, but let's deal with the important stuff.

Eedat74 votes

There are the entire guilds of assholes in MMORPGs with really toxic environment. Some people like being there.

Good for them. They can be assholes all they want together. This is not the same scenario. We did not choose to be matched with you and cannot leave without a penalty. If you want to get 5 people together and be assholes to each other then by all means go right ahead. Idgaf. Get on discord with your duo and talk shit to your heart's content. Don't expect the rest of us to deal with it.

And assholes will never be free of the attrmpts to censor them. If you feel like you must enforce behaviour, do it like a human and implement necessary punishments, not barbaric ones.

Being shown the door in a video game is not censorship. You entered their private domain and agreed to a contract prohibiting such behavior. Riot has every right to protect their profits and regulate their private domain. Stop throwing around buzzwords that you dont understand. Being kicked out of a video game after multiple warnings is not barbaric behavior.

Not if you could keep them. And you could.

Riot has already run the numbers. The numbers showed that people who reached the threshold for permaban showed very low odds of reforming. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Due to difference in playstyles and opinions, as well as different rate of improving one's skill, muting all and doing your thing improves your chances of winning in soloqueue.

Then do us all a favor and /muteall yourself before flaming people. Flaming others has shown to negatively impact a team's chances to win. This argument doesnt make sense.

One instance of such behaviour finishes off the player, who used ZT speech in the past for any reason. https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/VsXGhRh1-punishment-system This guy will lose his account if he behaves like you once. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ALsKWJcs-did-i-seriously-get-banned-for-this This guy did.

You are legit ignoring half of what I wrote. People with 14 day bans are on their last leg and Riot is warning them to cut the shit. People get chat restrictions for minor infractions for frequent negative behavior. I said I occasionally say ONE negative thing in chat. I don't use hate speech. I dont threaten people's lives. I dont tell people to off themselves.

FurriesAreHot17 votes

I’ve never agreed with a post more.

Dessem13 votes

I'm not going to just deal with you spending 10 minutes afk typing paragraphs at people.

Well, technically AFK means Away From Keyboard, which'd make it hard to type...

Eleshakai10 votes

Well said OP.

Dealing with toxic players is EXHAUSTING not angering. Simple as that. It takes the JOY out of the game. When I have a team that is all cooperating, even when we're losing, the simple act of playing is an absolute joy. I have a blast and end the game feeling great, win or lose.

When my team is acting like whiny 12 year olds throwing a tantrum, I don't get ANGRY. I just get TIRED. And that exhaustion saps the fundamental joy out of the experience.

Douglas Funnie6 votes

What's more important?

  • A frustrated player who legitimately wants to win the game

Or

  • An intentional feeder who trolls under the radar and acts like a victim when getting called out.

I would rather have a legitimate player on my team than some troll who get's triggered and refuse to learn how to mute.

Players can control verbal toxicity by simply using the mute button. However, players cannot control toxic gameplay behavior.

If Riot focused more on banning trolls, intentional feeders, boosted players, there would be less toxic communications.

Also, gameplay makes a lot of difference too. The state of League is pure sh**. League has been garbage since preseason 8. It has been dumbed down due to :

  • Overpowered Runes
  • Overloaded Runes
  • New/Updated Champions with overloaded kits
  • Excessive damage across the board
  • Oneshot Meta
  • Ff@15
  • BS botlane changes
  • RNG elements
  • Dragons
  • Plants
  • Scuttle
  • Zoe
  • Klepto

Since the skill gap diminished, the verbal toxicity has increased. If Riot fixes their game, League will be at a healthier state.

Eedat41 votes

The answer is both. Both are bad. Deflection isnt a valid response. Just because there are crimes worse than the one you committed doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime

HA I am Shaco HA2 votes

he asked what's more important, not if they were bad.

M Dragon149 votes

He asked what's more important only to refute the OP's point. OP isn't stating what is most important, OP is just stating that being toxic in chat is a legitimate cause to be banned. OP is not stating that other things should not be banable, thus the point made above is fallacy.

Yes, Int feeders are bad. So are those who flame. Just from my own ranked experience, I deal with far more flamers than I do int feeders. And the only time I deal with int feeders is due to flamers (doesn't justify feeding at all though).

Bycke2 votes

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Voldymort13 votes

Salt is in your pants kid. if someone is insulting you or talking shit to you, do you stand and cry in place or do you fight back?

sigh

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While I absolutely encourage you to fight back if someone throws a punch at you and it's the best way to deescalate the situation in the safest way for you, **League isn't a fist-fight. **You're not in any danger. All being a jerk back does is mean there are now two jerks, one of which started it and the other of which feels the way to "win" is to be the bigger jerk. You're not in any danger, there's no prize for the biggest jerk, and it just creates a worse environment for everyone in the game.

Bycke2 votes

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Voldymort14 votes

dont post me that shit, you stupid kid :) if you dont stand your ground, get out of my face crybaby.

if you feel the need to "stand your ground" against every internet stranger who disagrees with you then you need to grow a thicker skin!

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Bycke1 votes

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Xidphel4 votes

you let every stranger shit on your head

Nice hyperbole.

Voldymort9 votes

i'm just going to leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Wmq4YtC5E

Bycke1 votes

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Voldymort8 votes

kid, dont ever reply under others posts if you dont vant to argue like a man.

since you already made up your mind on how you think reality works, there's no point arguing

sorry

[sg-ahri-2]

Bycke1 votes

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Voldymort6 votes

advice for you, don't even start to argue in first place. dont make the fire and nobody vill burn. nov sit still, shut up, and let others shit on your head. YOU JUST LOVE IT :) (reality or not reality i dont give a fuk, you must stand your ground against punks like you)

Rammus ok

edit: get rekt lol

CharDeeMcDenniz5 votes

ok what's the over/under on how many vape pens and fedoras this guy has?

Voldymort6 votes

i said : "get out of my face". if you dont stand your ground and you let every stranger shit on your head, i dont care its game or not, like a man i cant let anyone do something to me. :) nov, dont bother me, and let others shit on your head, you like it :)

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/200/420/BRTky.jpg

Bycke1 votes

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ExpStealer12 votes

Do you know what cockroaches do when they see a human? They hide. Guess who deleted all of their previous comments? You.

Bycke = Forum cockroach.

P.S.: It's not "your", it's "you're". Did you eat your grammar books by any chance, too?

Bycke1 votes

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ExpStealer6 votes

Go check, I've only deleted one post and it's because it showed how one can see unapproved posts in G+ - which would make the admins' lifes much harder if I hadn't removed it.

As for roaches, they do run away. Just not directly from us because they can't even recognize us as an object, but from the stimuli we generate. Try again.

ChuShoe3 votes

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Go check, I've only deleted one post and it's because it showed how one can see unapproved posts in G+ - which would make the admins' lifes much harder if I hadn't removed it.

As for roaches, they do run away. Just not directly from us because they can't even recognize us as an object, but from the stimuli we generate. Try again.

that awkward moment when their own analogy gets thrown back at them

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