you can intentionally feed. as long as you dont say you're intentionally feeding.
you can purposely throw a game for 4 people on your team.
You CAN NOT be toxic. even if its the guy who purposely threw his game
can't be mean to him.
we can't prove he threw the game purposely but we can prove you were mean to him here's a 2 week ban bye.
Proelium19 votesI'm of the opinion that they treat toxicity properly but need to punish intentionally feeding 10x as much as they currently do.
I'm also of the opinion that intentionally throwing/trolling/leaving should be treated with double weight in Ranked.
Urgonnalearn2day6 votesI'm of the opinion that they treat toxicity properly but need to punish intentionally feeding 10x as much as they currently do.
I'm also of the opinion that intentionally throwing/trolling/leaving should be treated with double weight in Ranked.
Major issue... in ranked the more subtle garbage is what's driving the toxic behavior.
"There's no reason to verbally abuse someone."
Oh?
If you're being an ass hat you deserve verbal abuse.
"What if what you said makes the ass hat feel bad? And drives him into a depression?"
Good.
My job in this game is not to babysit angsty tweens.
TurquoiseYoshi6 votesSo instead of making your team feel better and try harder to win, you're mocking them and yelling at them, making them want to try less?
Logic. Apparently Donald Trump isn't the only one that lacks it.
Proelium4 votesMajor issue... in ranked the more subtle garbage is what's driving the toxic behavior.
"There's no reason to verbally abuse someone."
Oh?
If you're being an ass hat you deserve verbal abuse.
"What if what you said makes the ass hat feel bad? And drives him into a depression?"
Good.
My job in this game is not to babysit angsty tweens.
Idk if you're from USA, but I am and what you said seems a proper assessment of the extremely sensitive culture we are currently developing here. The idea that being a scumbag doesn't have social consequences (like someone making you feel bad for bad things you've done) is ridiculous.
Yes, that Dunky(sp?) guy needed to be punished for TELLING SOMEONE TO KILL THEMSELVES. But becoming angry with someone who is being a terrible teammate on purpose is IMHO a predictable and somewhat appropriate response. Telling someone to off themselves is never (except Hitler and his ilk) the right thing to do. But you shouldn't punish someone just for getting upset when someone is going out of their way to upset them.
This is how "Zero Tolerance" works in schools. It gets the kid who throws the punch expelled but the kids doing the slightly more subtle forms of harassing and hurting get to play the victim or at the very least get away with it and do it again because the actual problem wasn't addressed. The problem being the truly toxic person who is subtly undermining the situation to the point of someone snapping and punching them in their mouth.
People get mad when people treat them like garbage. Punish the scumbag who caused the situation not JUST the person who reacts.
Yes, being a bad teammate on purpose is treating your team like garbage. It is a kind of toxicity that cannot be fixed with a mute button. So fix it with a ban.
Stephenizgod1 votesYes but there is never an excuse for getting mad at someone truly in this game. It is a game so if you are getting that mad and raging that hard then i think its appropriate to ban you. Obviously the intentional feeder/troll/afker needs to be banned with twice the punishment but just because they are doing that doesn't mean you can get toxic rage at them. You bring up "Zero Tolerance" but seriously that kid shouldn't be hitting another kid regardless of what the little shit said or did... the only acceptable situation where you can hit someone is when they are causing unjustified bodily harm to someone else and there is no time to get help.
Proelium1 votesYes but there is never an excuse for getting mad at someone truly in this game. It is a game so if you are getting that mad and raging that hard then i think its appropriate to ban you. Obviously the intentional feeder/troll/afker needs to be banned with twice the punishment but just because they are doing that doesn't mean you can get toxic rage at them. You bring up "Zero Tolerance" but seriously that kid shouldn't be hitting another kid regardless of what the little shit said or did... the only acceptable situation where you can hit someone is when they are causing unjustified bodily harm to someone else and there is no time to get help.
I could agree with that statement. Punish the person who gets pissed off, but double the punishment to the instigator. Sadly that's NOT the way that it is now. Currently because of some things not entirely under Riot's control it is the opposite. The person who talks gets the punishment and it takes ages if ever to punish the troll/intentional feeder/etc.
Also when it comes to zero tolerance... I think I may disagree with you. The reason why thought doesn't relate very well to this game.
The reason for disagreeing is that narking = increasing your level of getting picked on in the future. Where as knocking their teeth out could very well make it stop for good. However... this is not and should never be the NORM. Everything there is situation based. To explain, those who will mess with someone to the point that that person wants to hit them in the face will often use any form of "getting someone to help" to further perpetuate the suffering of the child who did the 'right thing' and got an adult. Again, there's no perfect solution to this (or obviously teachers/principals etc would implement it) but that's where I differ on zero tolerance.
Stephenizgod1 votesWell you kind of agreed with me? It certainly is not normal for punching someone to be the correct action. I mean of course as a kid i never went for help when people picked on my lil sister, id go kick their teeth in... but just because i was "protecting" my little sister doesn't mean i had the right to physically harm them. I could have and should have gotten a teacher or told an adult. Yes narking and all that crap, but its still never the right solution, merely the easiest.
Stephenizgod1 votesUh no... and im sure we will being seeing your "I got banned f*ck RITO" post soon enough...
Fried Noob6 votesHow it works: Being verbally abusive or toxic is easy to identify, so it's easier to punish someone quickly for that. Even if the person you are verbally abusing is being an asshat, yelling and abusing them does fuck all to them and just makes the game worse for the other people on their team because they are now stuck with two screaming assholes. It's always better to just mute a loud asshole and report them then lash out. With feeding, it's harder to take quick action since if you act too quickly, people who have a godawful series of games can get caught in the net. I do agre it feels like intentional feeders and quitters get away with their shit longer, but it's done to reduce the chance people who have bad luck don't fret banned because they are having an off day or their internet/computer hates them.
Proelium1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fried Noob,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zojiEHrb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-29T17:41:17.603+0000)
How it works: Being verbally abusive or toxic is easy to identify, so it's easier to punish someone quickly for that. Even if the person you are verbally abusing is being an asshat, yelling and abusing them does fuck all to them and just makes the game worse for the other people on their team because they are now stuck with two screaming assholes. It's always better to just mute a loud asshole and report them then lash out. With feeding, it's harder to take quick action since if you act too quickly, people who have a godawful series of games can get caught in the net. I do agre it feels like intentional feeders and quitters get away with their shit longer, but it's done to reduce the chance people who have bad luck don't fret banned because they are having an off day or their internet/computer hates them.
I mostly agree with you.
In fact I think I MAY fully agree with you. I just question the wisdom of banning those who lash back at said "asshats" when the mute button is clearly available. While yes, the mute button "is not a reason to excessively curse" it is always a viable option for dealing with teammates who are yelling/upset etc. I think it should be use more liberally by the community instead of people getting upset about something they could fix with one click of a button.
ReQnosis4 votesI'm reminded of the times, watching some of my fav streamers (during champ select/banning phase). When someone would threaten to troll/feed, if they didn't get their specific role (sometimes, they'd do it because their fav champ was banned).
Many times, the troll would try to blackmail people by demanding a free skin.. otherwise they'll troll/feed.
Then the streamer would point out the fact that the match was being recorded and that if he did indeed feed/troll, that the video would be sent in with a report.
This would either result in the person acting like they were just "joking".. while other times, they just dodge or infact actually do go in and feed/troll, operating under the assumption that the video evidence wont mean anything.
IE: So what? I won't get banned anyways!
Honestly, I think a built-in feature for replays (that records chat somehow) would go a long way to improving the state of toxic players in the game.
TurquoiseYoshi3 votesIt's because trolling is hard to identify. Steal a jungler's camps? Maybe it's just the jungler helping the ADC get fed. Dying repeatedly? Maybe the enemy is Faker.
Also, if you yell at a troll, the troll just won. He wants you to rage and he wants you to get banned.
Proelium2 votesIt's because trolling is hard to identify. Steal a jungler's camps? Maybe it's just the jungler helping the ADC get fed. Dying repeatedly? Maybe the enemy is Faker.
Also, if you yell at a troll, the troll just won. He wants you to rage and he wants you to get banned.
The problem is that Riot's current system enables and emboldens this kind of troll precisely because of what you said above. They use Riot's poor system for identifying trolls to their advantage.
Kensue2 votes[deleted]
Proelium1 votesIn other words:
If it's not in chat it's not toxic. Do whatever you please and you will never have any issues as long as you don't do anything in chat. You can even constantly ping all day while feeding. You just can't use chat.
Had someone do this (constantly ping). It may have been the most frustrating game ever.
More than that when asked to stop pinging he would use CHAT to protect himself "I only pinged once, calm down, why are you being so mean to me?!" ... oh...my...goodness....
The ADC Wizard2 votesrip dunkey
NazZomLord1 votesor when you say something then your own team lies and makes it seem like you are being toxic and you get a warning for toxicity. Seriously this whole thing is stupid. Sorry for telling the feeding mundo not to build pure AD!
DB Gaming1 votesI know I've gotten extremely toxic with people in the past, and recently too... but I feel like people push me to that point. I hate being an ass to people... it in no way shape or form feels good to act that way. Having said that, there are a ton of douche bags who play this game, and I shouldn't have to sit quietly and tolerate their behavior.
If you see rumble on the enemy team and decide you want to play Quinn top... I'm going to tell you it's a stupid decision, you will lose lane hard, and probably the entire game for the team. After I first pick yasuo, the rest of my team goes full ad. Support last picks Malzahar because "we need some ap".
Now factor in I started off doing quite well in the game, solo kills on talon.. avoiding rammus ganks. But then our lack of vision around the map catches up to us and we've been caught out roaming or trying to stop dragon to the point where my lead is more than gone. Lee sin decides it's best to go full AD lee sin, and as expected 30 minutes into the game Lee can't kill anyone on the enemy team despite his decent score line... especially their rammus.. who my entire team tries to focus in team fights.
Like... those people are doing incredibly stupid things. Focusing rammus is stupid, it's downright idiotic... they had talon, rumble, and a quite fed tristana... So I dive the back line... almost get a few kills but since my entire team is still hitting the rammus and doing jack squat we lose every team fight.
Here's where things get good. Team starts blaming me... because I 'threw my lead' and now we cant win... lol. It literally put me on instant full tilt, from Good job everyone let's have some fun to full caps I couldn't be paid to care about the outcome of this game. The funny thing is I was quite mean with them, but I don't feel like I was in the wrong at all, those assholes pushed me to that point with the accumulation of their trolling behavior and their clear lack of intelligence. Everyone but the adc in my last game should be banned from ever playing ranked games because they will do nothing but drag down people they play with. No one learns or gets any better playing with people like that because they misinform the rest of the team.. logic has no place with these people. It's just hey, we're doing bad... let me look at the tab menu and start yelling at someone... then the mindless followers jump on board, YEAH Yasuo threw his lead... that's why we're losing the game. GAAAAAAAH!
Sorry for the wall of text here but If I didn't type it out I'd be punching holes in the walls, screwing my hands up. So what have I learned from all this? I'm not playing normals anymore, at all, ever again. I'll play bots to learn new champions (to me) and ranked the rest of the time. Normals are infested with trolls and idiots and I'm afraid I'll get banned for letting these ass-hats push me too far.
Urgonnalearn2day1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nudist Cuber,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=zojiEHrb,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-09-29T22:27:30.917+0000)
I know I've gotten extremely toxic with people in the past, and recently too... but I feel like people push me to that point. I hate being an ass to people... it in no way shape or form feels good to act that way. Having said that, there are a ton of douche bags who play this game, and I shouldn't have to sit quietly and tolerate their behavior.
If you see rumble on the enemy team and decide you want to play Quinn top... I'm going to tell you it's a stupid decision, you will lose lane hard, and probably the entire game for the team. After I first pick yasuo, the rest of my team goes full ad. Support last picks Malzahar because "we need some ap".
Now factor in I started off doing quite well in the game, solo kills on talon.. avoiding rammus ganks. But then our lack of vision around the map catches up to us and we've been caught out roaming or trying to stop dragon to the point where my lead is more than gone. Lee sin decides it's best to go full AD lee sin, and as expected 30 minutes into the game Lee can't kill anyone on the enemy team despite his decent score line... especially their rammus.. who my entire team tries to focus in team fights.
Like... those people are doing incredibly stupid things. Focusing rammus is stupid, it's downright idiotic... they had talon, rumble, and a quite fed tristana... So I dive the back line... almost get a few kills but since my entire team is still hitting the rammus and doing jack squat we lose every team fight.
Here's where things get good. Team starts blaming me... because I 'threw my lead' and now we cant win... lol. It literally put me on instant full tilt, from Good job everyone let's have some fun to full caps I couldn't be paid to care about the outcome of this game. The funny thing is I was quite mean with them, but I don't feel like I was in the wrong at all, those assholes pushed me to that point with the accumulation of their trolling behavior and their clear lack of intelligence. Everyone but the adc in my last game should be banned from ever playing ranked games because they will do nothing but drag down people they play with. No one learns or gets any better playing with people like that because they misinform the rest of the team.. logic has no place with these people. It's just hey, we're doing bad... let me look at the tab menu and start yelling at someone... then the mindless followers jump on board, YEAH Yasuo threw his lead... that's why we're losing the game. GAAAAAAAH!
Sorry for the wall of text here but If I didn't type it out I'd be punching holes in the walls, screwing my hands up. So what have I learned from all this? I'm not playing normals anymore, at all, ever again. I'll play bots to learn new champions (to me) and ranked the rest of the time. Normals are infested with trolls and idiots and I'm afraid I'll get banned for letting these ass-hats push me too far.
Our community sees teamwork as something everyone else should worry about.
KVbqbFsC8e1 votesIts not even so much as being mean to someone, but just saying something they don't like. I've gotten warned for "verbal abuse" plenty of times for telling someone to stop dying or pointing out them building ineffective items.
High51 votesWhen a game goes badly due to (un)intentional feeding by a teammate, the current system teaches people to:
A short ban taught me to mute everyone. Leavebuster taught me not to quit and also not to try. Simple and effective. Removed the "toxicity", but didn't really improve the game.
I didn't realize how many prople learned the same lessons I did until after my game behavior changed.
