Fuck you, Riot.

Niyumi··3 votes·780 views

I know you don't give a damn about balance, since that doesn't make money in your little F2P scam cash grab, but seriously, fuck you. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason for fucking AUTOMATICALLY AIMED, RESOURCELESS, UNMISSABLE attacks that AUTOMATICALLY FIRE more than once a second to be the strongest source of damage in the game.

But hey, easy champs being fucking absurdly strong makes the whales happy, so the harder champions will never be rewarded for actually using their more complex kits, since that would lose you money.

So please, do tell me how it's fair for someone to walk up, right-click on you, and do three times more damage than your entire kit of skillshots in half a second. Tell me how it's fair for Udyr to be so fucking passively tanky that he can build full damage and take zero damage from turrets while instantly killing you in an AP build. Tell me how that's balanced.

Do you even play your own game? I highly doubt you do outside of the PR department. Can you tell our Asian overlord Tencent's CEO that I said he needs to pull his head out of his ass?

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MasterSomething4 votes

Let me get my fries for this salt

62227164DEL12 votes

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Niyumi1 votes

Please, tell me: how does my build make auto attacks not the strongest form of damage in the game?

Builds and runes have absolutely nothing to do with it. It's just another fucking shitty company that brats went and enabled because they don't want to go out and buy a game, or bribe their parents to buy one for them. No matter what I build, tanks like Udyr, Trundle, Voli and so on will always be able to instantly delete me, ADCs will always right-click on me from a mile away and delete me, and champs like Talon, Annie and so on will use targeted abilities to delete me. This game was NOT made to be actually competitive. Whoever exploits what Riot fucked up better wins, good or bad is irrelevant.

Narvuntien2 votes

There is no need to be upset

Your rage is beyond your control... hahahha... its from an Udyr quote hahaha.

you are drunk on rageahole.

Calm the hell down.

Niyumi1 votes

Nah, you're right. I should be happy that I get to make a choice between playing a boring as hell champion and winning, or playing a champion I enjoy and being stomped 9/10 times. That's good game design!

When I see people saying that they'd rather play what wins than what's fun... you know there's a fucking problem in this game.

See, it's not just League that works like that though. Every genre and series, even ones from my childhood, is becoming more and more simplified and stupid just because fucking brats can't be bothered to think a little. So, the hobby I loved all my childhood is just dying in front of me, and there's nothing I can do to save it, since the gaming I grew up with and loved isn't as lucrative as fucking F2P / DLC cash grabs and shitty quality. So, sorry if I'm upset that one of the things I love dearly is being ripped away from me by lazy fucking assholes.

Narvuntien1 votes

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Nah, you're right. I should be happy that I get to make a choice between playing a boring as hell champion and winning, or playing a champion I enjoy and being stomped 9/10 times. That's good game design!

When I see people saying that they'd rather play what wins than what's fun... you know there's a fucking problem in this game.

See, it's not just League that works like that though. Every genre and series, even ones from my childhood, is becoming more and more simplified and stupid just because fucking brats can't be bothered to think a little. So, the hobby I loved all my childhood is just dying in front of me, and there's nothing I can do to save it, since the gaming I grew up with and loved isn't as lucrative as fucking F2P / DLC cash grabs and shitty quality. So, sorry if I'm upset that one of the things I love dearly is being ripped away from me by lazy fucking assholes.

Tl;DR Get off my lawn.

This is the second one of these posts I have had to deal with. Gaming isn't a little club of you and your friends any more its for everyone, anyone can play a game and enjoy themselves. Game creators are responding to this demand they are removing frustrating game play and required game knowledge needed to just play a game. So people can just jump in. F2P is a democratising of gaming, poor kids with only just enough for a computer and an internet connection now get to play these games instead having to pay $50 (Or for me over in OCE $100) every time they want a new game. It's not about you and your group of old guard anymore gaming has moved on. DLC is quite annoying if down poorly I must admit yet at the same time if it allows them to lower the price of the original game then allow people who really like the game get more out of the game they love. I thought your Americans loved your (dumb) tipping system.

They aren't lazy, game making has become much more complex to do these days even simple things can take a lot more work than they used to.

Is winning the only enjoyment you get out of the game? I mean you could make a smurf and crush level 5 players over and over again would that make you happy? no it's not, its the compertition you like, guess what people have you out played right now, blah blah blah the champion is OP blah blah blah, whatever you have given up instead of looking for the counter, you have given up instead of trying to work out how to beat this challange, it is you that wants the easy way out. What would younger you think to see you now.

Niyumi1 votes

No, the real TL;DR was: Grow the fuck up, and learn to work for what you want, instead of expecting everything to be handed to you.

See, people have always been able to just pick up games and go -- sure, not everyone won, but not everyone wins in real life either. It's all about whether or not you had fun playing... and guess what? People did! Why do you think Nintendo was so fucking huge?

F2P is nothing positive. It was an experiment done by greedy companies that made a lot of money despite players in the rest of the gaming world freaking out about it and calling it the doom of gaming -- and, you know, they were right. When the rest of the greedy suits saw the income potential an F2P game had, they all followed suit and shot the quality of their product in the foot in order to milk every cent they could off of people. You talk about how it's making gaming more accessible -- no, it's really not. It lets people experience shitty quality and lack of passion, and then they begin to expect that as the norm, which lets other, equally shitty, companies put out the same garbage. And now, because of all that, we have the abysmal state that gaming is in -- and who do we have to thank for that? Lazy, entitled brats who can't be bothered to lift a finger or spend a penny on a game. Back in my day (I'm probably younger than you, by the way), we worked for what we wanted; you didn't win a prize for coming in last place, and you didn't get a medal handed to you for walking onto the track.

DLC is just as bad as F2P, but I think it's worse in principle. See, DLC is just content that you rip out of a game and resell, calling it new. We used to call things like that expansions, and they would ACTUALLY add new content, rather than things that should have been included in the base game (and, oftentimes they were, and then removed and resold).

And yeah, games are VERY easy to make these days. If you can use a mouse, you can make a game using many of the thousands of programs out there. With a little coding knowledge, you can make your own engine and game. Making a triple A game or a full-blown console game isn't something that takes 7-8 years either, that's just what we call poor work ethic and lazy employees. You may ask what right I have to talk about things, well, I've interned at Nintendo, taken several college-level courses on game design, taken a few art courses, and dabbled in my own development -- so, I know what I'm talking about. And I can tell you that developers are beyond lazy.

Winning is fun and all, sure, but, like you said, the fun is in the competition. And, when a champion I enjoy just is flat out not competitive, it's not fun. Oh sure, I could play someone like LB, Kat, Yi, or really any ADC, and win EASILY -- but I don't have fun. It feels like cheating, and I don't feel like I really deserve all the kills / wins I get. I want to be able to play someone like Ori, Bard, Azir, assassin Ekko, Eve and so on and actually be meaningful and competitive... but I can't have that, because it'd make the whales upset.

See, if a whale sees this champion that they can't play beating them, then they have a tizzy tantrum and quit the game, losing Riot (Tencent) a good portion of money, since they were a whale and all. To prevent this from happening, the more complex champions are nerfed into infinity, or have shitty scalings right out of the gate, so that the easy, whale-friendly champs can easily beat them. And that's how any F2P game works.

But yeah, get the fuck off my lawn. Go ruin someone else's hobby.

Pafos2 votes

Maybe you should "git gud"

Nahui1 votes

Clearly never have seen Veigar's ult.

Niyumi1 votes

Veigar's ult is one and done. Auto attacks will out-damage it given another half second. But, the fact that you can literally one-shot someone with a targeted nuke is stupid too -- not like it'll ever change though. Braindead champs make money.

So champs like Annie and Veigar are here to stay -- meanwhile, we'll nerf Sol for reasons, and reduce Poppy to basically being a dash blocker and nothing more. They get in the way of flashy, simple champs that make money at LC$ and from whales.

Villiers2 votes

How are they making money specifically off of a 450 IP champ?

Niyumi1 votes

Okay, so let's look at a newer skin line that Riot is fleshing out, the arcade / battle boss line. So, Veigar is the final boss, right? If he was a super hard champion that very few people could actually play, do you think he'd make much money off of skins? Nope. But, with him being pathetically easy, there's a lot more potential, since people wouldn't feel like their money was wasted.

As for Udyr, SGU. Annie? Everyone wants that Hextech skin.

Çhåryzård1 votes

wait are we specifically talking about udyr here or just champs in general

Niyumi1 votes

Udyr was just the example when I wrote this post, as I was against an AP Udyr who could 1v5 and hardly take damage while killing at least 3-4 of us. But, in general, I'm talking about champs who are INCREDIBLY mechanically simple ("easy" in other words) who just vastly outperform more complex champs (Ori, Azir, Sol, non-tank Ekko, Bard, and so on) by virtue of auto attacks or targeted spells. Riot goes on and on about how much they hate balls of stats, but nearly 2/3 of the roster is just that, and they're also the strongest champs in the game. Someone like Ori might be picked for her ult's combo potential, but outside of that, Ori is just a bad champion relative to someone like Kat or Annie. Then we have ADCs who just click on people from a mile away and delete them with no more thought or effort than that.

Just pisses me off to no end.

Çhåryzård2 votes

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Udyr was just the example when I wrote this post, as I was against an AP Udyr who could 1v5 and hardly take damage while killing at least 3-4 of us. But, in general, I'm talking about champs who are INCREDIBLY mechanically simple ("easy" in other words) who just vastly outperform more complex champs (Ori, Azir, Sol, non-tank Ekko, Bard, and so on) by virtue of auto attacks or targeted spells. Riot goes on and on about how much they hate balls of stats, but nearly 2/3 of the roster is just that, and they're also the strongest champs in the game. Someone like Ori might be picked for her ult's combo potential, but outside of that, Ori is just a bad champion relative to someone like Kat or Annie. Then we have ADCs who just click on people from a mile away and delete them with no more thought or effort than that.

Just pisses me off to no end.

ok as someone who has tried to play ori and azir I can tell you that they are not easy and learning to actually understand how they work and the combos they can do takes practice. They can be great champs and provide a lot for their team but only if you play them well and know what you are doing

I think you're thinking more along the lines of Annie, who can flash in during a teamfight, ult, and then kill 3 people. That doesn't take skill and a lot of people agree that Annie is probably one of the easiest champs in this game

Niyumi1 votes

I play both Ori and Azir, have rank 5 on both of them, and did pretty well with both. Thing is though, outside of Ori's wombo, you were kind of useless. Her damage is just pathetic, her kit is very telegraphed and predictable, and she's just stupidly squishy. You're basically just a support with a little more damage and gold.

That's my point though: Annie is INCREDIBLY easy to play, yet has all that power behind one button. Ori is very difficult to play (well), but just does nothing remarkable outside of her ult, while Annie can go and mash Q and W and kill everyone. I just don't understand how that's fair.

Dangerous Man1 votes

Play a new champion since it sound like you're playing somebody with mana problems, no cc, and is very squishy.

Niyumi1 votes

Yeah, I know. You don't pick a tanky, resourceless CC spammer, you lose (or someone who just clicks on people and deletes them). That's balance though.

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