The new chat restrict system is going to ruin league

BeatinWarDrumz·Sep 21, 2015·4 votes·668 views

Seriously... Wtf are they thinking? A permanent ban for 4 offenses? Ten out of ten games I would rather have 10-0 raging riven then even just 0-2 non toxic xx champion. If they really want to fix this... Just chat ban instead of real ban for toxicity that is for the most part caused by trolls afkers and feeders. Yes, it is a game and you still should be nice, but it is more than a game. For some people, it's a competitive sport that is to be taken seriously. Think about it this way - if you're playing a high school soccer game and someone just leaves... They are an asshole. Period. I am not trying to encourage toxicity, but lashing out at the solos lottery that sometimes pairs you with feeders or even worse trolls should not be ban able unless the situation is extreme (ie death threat)

EDIT: downvotres for stating my opinion and not vayne QQ thread 100000

typical boards

/yawn

15 Comments

OhBoyItsaMegamanSep 21, 20154 votes

People are downvoting because they disagree with you.

We don't want people in our games if they cannot be taught to behave. Having them just get constantly chat restricted is not an acceptable solution, because they will still be able to be abusive. Chat restrictions and ranked restrictions are not just meant to limit the abuse we have to hear from you; they're supposed to aid you in reforming. If you have no intention of reforming, there's the door.

LaceUp23Sep 21, 20151 votes

You know what makes them completely unable to be "abusive"? The mute button.

Now please tell me what magic button I can press to stop the 0-10 Lulu from running down mid lane to "distract them". I'll wait.

BeatinWarDrumzSep 22, 20151 votes

chat BAN ffs

SarutobiSep 21, 20153 votes

If this game is so serious you need to spout out racial slurs and tell people to kill themselves in all your games (or most of them in which case you'll get reported a lot of times) then I would suggest getting help. At the end of the day despite what you think this is still a game. Those are real life people playing with you, and no one needs to be told their life is worth living over losing a damn game.

BeatinWarDrumzSep 21, 20151 votes

wot?

i've never used a racial slurs or told someone to kill themselves

and i already "get help" - i have moderate clinical depression

DragfinSep 21, 20153 votes

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If this game is so serious you need to spout out racial slurs and tell people to kill themselves in all your games (or most of them in which case you'll get reported a lot of times) then I would suggest getting help. At the end of the day despite what you think this is still a game. Those are real life people playing with you, and no one needs to be told their life is worth living over losing a damn game.

Where did the OP say he said that? Or are you just another stupid teenager who needs to learn to read?

SarutobiSep 21, 20151 votes

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Where did the OP say he said that? Or are you just another stupid teenager who needs to learn to read?

I wasn't talking about strictly the OP. Just in general of toxic people. If you cannot behave like a normal human being why should you play this game? If you have issues that make you think telling people these things is a-ok you need some serious help. Riot has stated they don't like people being toxic. If you cannot handle that leave its that simple! It doesn't mean that it's their main focus of removing them. No one can/will remove toxic behavior, but it can help keep it down by these bans, and restriction. And again if you cannot handle these types of rules and regulations you can leave, no one is forcing you to play this game!

DragfinSep 21, 20151 votes

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I wasn't talking about strictly the OP. Just in general of toxic people. If you cannot behave like a normal human being why should you play this game? If you have issues that make you think telling people these things is a-ok you need some serious help. Riot has stated they don't like people being toxic. If you cannot handle that leave its that simple! It doesn't mean that it's their main focus of removing them. No one can/will remove toxic behavior, but it can help keep it down by these bans, and restriction. And again if you cannot handle these types of rules and regulations you can leave, no one is forcing you to play this game!

I agree. It's just not how you wrote it which is why I questioned it. It is that simple.

TorkonSep 21, 20152 votes

There's something left to ruin? I thought we about hit the end of the list. Only reason I play this shit game anymore is because I've spent so much fuckin' money on it over the past several years.

Angry MonsterSep 21, 20152 votes

I think the standards of what is toxic(god i hate lyte cause of that word) needs to be readdressed. We are slowing reaching the point of 0 input in game.

Everyone is happy when the game is going fine; but the second that it goes bad, we are all in trouble because criticism is considered toxic by the player base. I personally tune out my team when a game goes south now cause we are not allowed to talk about it. I mute everyone and try to make picks or just work with anyone i am on VOIP with.

These standards are going to far and sadly they will only get worse before they get better. Riot and the white knight player base will have to be hurt by the results before they change.

No one is promoting death threats (like sarutobi jumps to)

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If this game is so serious you need to spout out racial slurs and tell people to kill themselves in all your games (or most of them in which case you'll get reported a lot of times) then I would suggest getting help. At the end of the day despite what you think this is still a game. Those are real life people playing with you, and no one needs to be told their life is worth living over losing a damn game.

The anti-toxicity is becoming as bad as the toxicity.

LaceUp23Sep 21, 20151 votes

we are all in trouble because criticism is considered toxic by the player base

Exactly this. People are becoming babies....and Lyte is fueling it. I told this Thresh that it's better to switch to red trinket after buying sightstone. He then starts trolling by taking cs (thresh flay > vayne's AD) and calling me "toxic". Our Eve then asks the enemy team to report me for being "toxic". I would really love to meet these people in real life and give them the ass beating that their parents should have lol.

I mean, ffs...there is a damn mute button.

This isn't just with League though. There are a growing number of people that think participation trophies need to be a thing. Da fuq? It's just a lot more amplified in League because of Lyte, and the fact that a lot of people playing are dweebs lol.

JubbinautSep 22, 20151 votes

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Everyone is happy when the game is going fine; but the second that it goes bad, we are all in trouble because criticism is considered toxic by the player base.

But it's not. I - and many of my friends - are regularly critical of each other and of randos we play with, yet none of us have earned sanctions of any sort. It's not always about the message - often, it's about the tone of the message, and the way it's presented.

It's important to remember that not all criticism is constructive. Often, it's completely useless - or worse, it's counterproductive.

I believe that, at its core, this is rarely the fault of the people offering that criticism. Rather, they simply never learned how to offer that kind of useful, actionable, meaningful criticism. Which, I think, is a significant failing of the US educational system, because it's a massively important social skill.

It's also true that there are people who have a hard time recognizing such when it comes their way - I'm not nearly so foolish as to pretend otherwise. And that's certainly the same kind of failing. But I don't think they're particularly meaningful in this discussion, because even when they're being oversensitive, it's not likely to affect the player offering critique - so long as he's doing so in a non-toxic way.

Angry MonsterSep 23, 20151 votes

But it's not. I - and many of my friends - are regularly critical of each other and of randos we play with, yet none of us have earned sanctions of any sort. It's not always about the message - often, it's about the tone of the message, and the way it's presented.

actually it is cause it is your friends. I seem to see a lack of criticism from out side of the people you know. Stressing my point.

It's important to remember that not all criticism is constructive. Often, it's completely useless - or worse, it's counterproductive.

The fact that anyone can take and turn it around and say you are telling them how to play is the real issue. 0 critism is want by people and riot reinforces this.

I believe that, at its core, this is rarely the fault of the people offering that criticism. Rather, they simply never learned how to offer that kind of useful, actionable, meaningful criticism. Which, I think, is a significant failing of the US educational system, because it's a massively important social skill.

your wrong but what ever. No wait you are super wrong and please stop. How about you go give legit criticism in games that you are losing to people you do not know? Watch the penalties crank up, but hey your personal experience from friends total proves me wrong right?

It's also true that there are people who have a hard time recognizing such when it comes their way - I'm not nearly so foolish as to pretend otherwise. And that's certainly the same kind of failing. But I don't think they're particularly meaningful in this discussion, because even when they're being oversensitive, it's not likely to affect the player offering critique - so long as he's doing so in a non-toxic way.

now you are playing it both ways. either my point is right; criticism is a frown on (generalization) and punishable (which we know is true) or it is not. This last statement of yours has you walking both sides of the line and is a joke.

We are in the riot world where everyone gets a cookie. Here is yours.

JubbinautSep 23, 20151 votes

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actually it is cause it is your friends. I seem to see a lack of criticism from out side of the people you know. Stressing my point.

I also mentioned "randos". As in, random players. Referring to people other than my friends. I suppose that was probably unclear. Allow me to try rephrasing that sentence a bit:

"In addition to being critical of each other, I and many of my friends also offer criticism to players we are matched with when we queue."

Hrm. Still not perfect, but I think it's better at least.

The fact that anyone can take and turn it around and say you are telling them how to play is the real issue. 0 critism is want by people and riot reinforces this.

While it's certainly possible that people can do that, I still hold that it's not really meaningful. Criticism is simply another form of communication, and Riot at least tries to support effective communication.

But, again, not all criticism is effective. And it's that ineffective "criticism" that's problematic.

your wrong but what ever. No wait you are super wrong and please stop. How about you go give legit criticism in games that you are losing to people you do not know? Watch the penalties crank up, but hey your personal experience from friends total proves me wrong right?

By ensuring that the criticism is clear, useful, and constructive. There's plenty of more specific advice on that you can dig up through Google.

But this is a skill almost entirely untaught outside of the Liberal Arts - because that's the only place where it's seen as a required skill. Which I feel is pretty unfortunate, as it's important everywhere.

And - as I stated - my experience in this regard extends far beyond my circle of friends. It's something I make use of in my daily life, as well as in my League matches.

now you are playing it both ways. either my point is right; criticism is a frown on (generalization) and punishable (which we know is true) or it is not. This last statement of yours has you walking both sides of the line and is a joke.

Criticism - like profanity - is not inherently frowned on, nor is it inherently punishable. However, it is possible to offer criticism in such a way as to make the statement both frowned on and punishable - just as with profanity.

DragfinSep 21, 20151 votes

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Seriously... Wtf are they thinking? A permanent ban for 4 offenses? Ten out of ten games I would rather have 10-0 raging riven then even just 0-2 non toxic xx champion. If they really want to fix this... Just chat ban instead of real ban for toxicity that is for the most part caused by trolls afkers and feeders. Yes, it is a game and you still should be nice, but it is more than a game. For some people, it's a competitive sport that is to be taken seriously. Think about it this way - if you're playing a high school soccer game and someone just leaves... They are an asshole. Period. I am not trying to encourage toxicity, but lashing out at the solos lottery that sometimes pairs you with feeders or even worse trolls should not be ban able unless the situation is extreme (ie death threat)

EDIT: downvotres for stating my opinion and not vayne QQ thread 100000

typical boards

/yawn

I upvoted because I agree with you 100% that those type of people are the main reason for toxicity. The people who down vote are probably those type of people and that's why they down vote. They screwed up with the first attempted fix at their report system and now they adjusted it and made it worse. This is the way of the world though. A select few screw things up for everyone else because nobody has the balls to take a hard stance on the people screwing it up in the first place.