Saying riot is racist because we don't have a lot of black champions

DropFill··71 votes·5,292 views

Is like saying they hate dogs because we only have one "dog" champion

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Berry Állen19 votes

Only 1 dog champ? I demand more, a corgi possibly. I think Nasus would love them.

DropFill3 votes

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Only 1 dog champ? I demand more, a corgi possibly. I think Nasus would love them.

I want a Owl champion. Azir is just a bird

Nybx4life14 votes

Technically, Warwick.

But I see no cat champs tho. Riot must fix this. edit: So many people pulled Rengar on me, it feels like I got ganked by him. My bad.

Berry Állen15 votes

Nidalee can turn into kitty. :3

Nybx4life3 votes

For some reason, I don't count Nid. Maybe because of "turn into kitty" and not kitty wholesale.

Berry Állen11 votes

Well how about Rengar ?

Nybx4life6 votes

Oh...good point. +1 for you.

stochastic421 votes

Katarina what's that?

Nybx4life3 votes

An attempt at wordplay. Appropriate cat-themed skin, yes, but not feline to the degree of Rengar or kitty-transformed Nidalee.

Fritterz28 votes

We already have a corgi. Corki

Oh wait....

Thanotos Omega14 votes

I don't think they are being racist, i think they are in a bubble and don't try to break out of it as much as they should, in general, almost every human champion could be black and it wouldn't really change them, so there is no reason not to go ahead and better represent a large part of their player base,

People create what they know, and if you are a white dude you will tend to create white dudes unless you think the theme works better with a specific race, So you kind of have to make a point of actively reminding your self not to do that,

I use the following system, each time i create an idea, i ask myself these questions,

1: Is this character's race/gender important to them in anyway? If Yes all others can be skipped because it would harm the character to make a change,

2: If No to 1, does this character's race and or gender match a majority of existing character's? If yes then change and move on to 3,

3: If it is not important does this character's race or Gender cause any stereotypes? if yes make adjustments, Example i would have reversed Nid's Gender so instead of the common hot female native we instead got a far less common Male nubile savage, the mere act of a minority male being sexually aggressive like Nid is a major deviation from the norm,

With this system you yield a diverse cast without harming them and make sure to avoid unfortunate implications,

Anotherherolost5 votes

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I don't think they are being racist, i think they are in a bubble and don't try to break out of it as much as they should, in general, almost every human champion could be black and it wouldn't really change them, so there is no reason not to go ahead and better represent a large part of their player base,

People create what they know, and if you are a white dude you will tend to create white dudes unless you think the theme works better with a specific race, So you kind of have to make a point of actively reminding your self not to do that,

I use the following system, each time i create an idea, i ask myself these questions,

1: Is this character's race/gender important to them in anyway? If Yes all others can be skipped because it would harm the character to make a change,

2: If No to 1, does this character's race and or gender match a majority of existing character's? If yes then change and move on to 3,

3: If it is not important does this character's race or Gender cause any stereotypes? if yes make adjustments, Example i would have reversed Nid's Gender so instead of the common hot female native we instead got a far less common Male nubile savage, the mere act of a minority male being sexually aggressive like Nid is a major deviation from the norm,

With this system you yield a diverse cast without harming them and make sure to avoid unfortunate implications,

Idk man, black Garen would be pretty sweet. For Demacia, bitches.

Thanotos Omega8 votes

That's partially my point, Garen and Lux's characters wouldn't be hurt by altering their races, now since the exist i don't think they should be changed, but if they were created now i see no harm in Riot saying "You know what? we already have allot of white guys and girls let's have there Mom be Shuriman," and then it's done no one was harmed, a group of people get to feel better about seeing people who look like them in the game and breaking stereotypes, I can not for the life of me see the harm in this,

cshakes5 votes

Same for sex. E.g. Vel'Koz could've been a humorous take on the Tentacle Monster trope were our void being female. (Woman VA, referred to as 'she' in lore.)

I generally would advocate just picking six "races" (I use a modified version of the IC codes) and then toss a die to determine race, then toss a coin to determine sex. Your method is better, since it involves correction if the char accidentally reinforces a stereotype.

(Also, minor aside, I'd like to see more body type diversity on female champions. With the humanoid males, we have everything from Gragas to Tryndamere to Ezreal. With humanoid females, there's less diversity - that is, all female humanoids look kind of same-y, and visual clarity would be improved by adding more different bodies. I'd like to have a fat woman, a really muscular woman (+ muscularity buffs for most of our female tanks) and then some women who don't look like they're <30.)

BluePolarizer1 votes

Sejuani is a fat lady. Vi is pretty buff.

You can't expect female light fighters, assassins or marksmen to be buff or fat.

cshakes2 votes

Well, they aren't very fat or buff. (And I'd still like a buff to Vi's biceps.) And we've still got female tanks and fighters that could do with more muscles, especially in the upper arms. ... actually, we could do with more female tanks.

DynamiteGazelle7 votes

Well said. Characters shouldn't just be considered white by default. Of course there are some characters where it makes sense, Freljord folks for example Ashe Braum Tryndamere Sejuani , but there's no reason not to mix it up more often. Lucian and Ekko is a great start. Those characters easily could have been white (or any other race for that matter) , so changing it up is a net positive because we get more diversity. Hopefully we can get an even broader representation in the future!

Gavran1 votes

I'm not actually 100% sure "arbitrarily assign race" is a good idea (though I appreciate where it comes from and have considered it myself - ultimately I don't create enough to need a system of my own), but dude!Nidalee could've been fucking awesome.

Thanotos Omega4 votes

It's true that if done badly it can lead to problems, especially if the character has allot of screen/page time since life is fundamentally different for certain races in certain countries, but a fantasy setting helps to offset that, For Example, Lucian is easier to write for then a black lawyer living in the american south in 1965,

LOL Spammer13 votes

You just compared dogs to people.... That is racist.

I Main Swain10 votes

I notice there's also a distinct lack of Asian and Hispanic champions, yet I don't seem to hear any complaints about that...

Raid Boss Morde4 votes

Irelia, Lee Sin, Xin, Akali, Zed (maybe), and Yi don't count?

Nybx4life4 votes

Still missing Hispanic.

Llanite2 votes

Hispanica are majority white except Mexican who are tan.

aaronconlin18 votes

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I notice there's also a distinct lack of Asian and Hispanic champions, yet I don't seem to hear any complaints about that...

Lack of Asian champions? Ahri Akali Irelia Karma LeeSin MasterYi Shen Sona Syndra XinZhao Yasuo Zed Oh...

I Main Swain3 votes

ahri's not Asian, pretty sure irellia isn't Asian, karma isn't Asian, you cant even see the faces of akali zed and shen, sona definitely isn't Asian, syndra definitely isn't asian

KING OF MASKS5 votes

The only one you got right is Sona, who's Demacian and not Ionian. Nevermind, likely wrong on all counts it seems.

50000000000000006 votes

Demacian by adoption. She was abandoned at Ionian adoption house, so she could very well be Ionian by blood.

Angel Violét1 votes

Syndra is asian? O.O

aaronconlin3 votes

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Syndra is asian? O.O

Well she's Ionian

ElJanitorFrank8 votes

As far as I know, we have 2 dogs and 2 cats.

And 2 black people.

Putting this whole thing into perspective actually makes it sound more racist.

RushingRoses6 votes

lack of animal champs?

Alistar Anivia Azir Elise Cassiopeia Fizz Gnar Hecarim Kennen Khazix KogMaw Nami Nasus Nidalee Rammus RekSai Skarner Rumble Rengar Renekton Teemo Shyvana Twitch Udyr Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing Ziggs

50000000000000009 votes

Over 100 champions. Only 2 celestial beings. Rito pls.

Vier1 votes

Hey who's the other celestial being other than Soraka? Thanks.

terkmc2 votes

Bard

terkmc15 votes

Udyr : Day 25. I've gained the animal trust. They do not suspect a thing. The bear fur is starting to smell though

AbsoluteSadman6 votes

Then they make a lucian is ekkos dad theory just because there both black.

BiggerBurgger5 votes

Black champs: Lucian Karma Ekko Dog champ: Nasus

Aerothal5 votes

Rengar Nidalee HAHAHAHAHAAAA

Nasus QQ

Lugg3 votes

I love how people think black is the only race other than white. Plus there are TONS of champs who we don't even know what their race is because of masks. If any race should be saying anything, it's the Hispanics lol.

skyfall6193 votes

Ekko Lucian Karma Nasus (that voice in obviously a black dude) Zed (black guy raised in asia) Nidalee (she is probably mixed) Azir MonkeyKing (clearly)

JazzPolice2 votes

Why don't we also have people complaining about lack of Spanish, Asian and Indian champions?

Abyssphere8 votes

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Why don't we also have people complaining about lack of Spanish, Asian and Indian champions?

Because when you play League in Spanish, everyone is Spanish. When you play League in German, everyone is from Germany. Country-specific champions are completely redundant in a game where no matter what country you're playing in, the champions speak your language. You are the perfect example of a player from the US who assumes every white champion is American because.... you naturally tunnel onto your own country and assume everyone who a) looks vaguely like you and b) shares your language also shares your nationality.

But that applies to everyone. To a British person, Lux is not American. She's British. To an Italian person Katarina is Italian, not American. I mean, she speaks Italian on their client - how would she be anything other than Italian? Etc. There's literally no reason to have champions representing countries because every player on the planet assumes someone who fits the description of people from their country of residence belongs to it - as an Irish person I have no need for an Irish champion because ... I can relate to all of the league's champions who share my skin colour and speak my language. They all share enough classic traits of being Irish to be relatable for me.

It's different for people of different colour - that's why champions like Lucian, Karma, Ekko and the Ionians as a whole are amazing. A Chinese person can't just think "Lux is Chinese" even if she speaks their language on their client - her facial structure and even hair colour are clearly western. But they can recognise Xin Zhao as Chinese and that means they have someone to relate to, and that's great. It's similar for black people - no matter what anyone says, people get treated differently in the US (and around the world) based on skin colour and that different treatment usually isn't positive. So minorities like to stick to their own because at least they know people who can understand their problems. Lucian and Ekko give this to black youth and in 2015 America that's a wonderful thing.

It can be difficult to understand the minority POV when as a white American you instantly relate to pretty much everyone (if nothing sets you apart from the mainstream then you relate to everyone). But you have to try and understand other people - when you have traits in you that are different from the mainstream it is really nice to have role models who share those traits. And Lucian, Ekko and the Asian champs give all of that to those who need it.

SpongebobIsLife4 votes

this guy can have my babies.

Feathermane4 votes

So many things to question about this post:

  1. Not every country has a localized client.
  2. Americans think League champions are American? Even when their homeland is explicitly named as Noxus? Or when they are named Rek'Sai or Katarina? Italians think champions are Italian, even though they are aware the game they are playing is made by an American company, and no reference is ever made to Italy?
  3. You NEED to have a character in a game who shares all your traits before you consider playing it? Or just your skin color, this is unclear.
  4. You can't relate to characters who don't share your skin color and language? Why? In a game setting, I am able to relate to trans-dimensional arachnids, anthropomorphized animals, animated constructs, etc. And what's more, I have never come across a game where a major character is a compatriot of mine, let alone speaks my native language, and it has never stopped me from enjoying games.
Occams Raiser2 votes

OH white people. When will you learn not to comment on racism while being white.

aaronconlin3 votes

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OH white people. When will you learn not to comment on racism while being white.

Because white isn't a race, right? "Only white people are racists" Ok

Samflash31 votes

Actually they hate dogs. Check out all the cat champions

Ahri Katarina Rengar Nidalee Warwick

EDIT: Welp. I guess I was wrong. Riot do have cats and dogs.

Now where dat penguin at?

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