Dear Riot, I Think Your Placements This Season Are Disheartening People.

Stephenizgod··29 votes·3,855 views

EDIT: So here is this really awesome post about how they are doing the placements this season: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Llp9xElp-the-placement-answers?

Hmm so it seems like im getting a lot of teammates in ranked who are either not trying or incredibly agitated/angry.

My third provisionals, my third loss: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1706974567/206176227?tab=overview

18min i died the first time and at the time i had the most CS on my team by a lot, Kalista started to get a bit more around 15ish min. At this point Lucian was 9 and 1. It just seemed like our jungler and bot lane werent really even trying (our Leona was doing their best but to no avail). Mid and Bot turret fell before 12 min. Im honestly not QQing, I go into games expecting to lose but i try my hardest to win so that i feel more accomplished. Losing isnt even saddening for me, i dont care about these 10 games i want to get placed then Duo with my friend (we want to do our 10 games solo so we can get placed on our own skill rather then the fact we are a team). I already know ill be placed in Bronze so i wont be sad with the outcome, but i think a lot of people are very disheartened by this and tend to not try their hardest or are just not caring anymore, why should they care where their team gets placed when they were thrown from high silver-low gold to Bronze?

My First Game: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1704234504/206176227?tab=overview. This one was sad, we couldnt pull together as a team despite our Amumu trying his hardest to turn a disadvantageous stomp into a close win. He almost succeeded but our team was not cooperating at all.
My Second Game: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1704781368/206176227?tab=overview. I won my lane but my bot lane lost theirs. It also seemed like they werent even trying :(. I feel worst for our Lissandra, he was really good with his mechanics and im sad i couldnt help him carry.

Anyone else noticing this? Im not talking about bad teammates, im talking about teammates who literally look like they do not care or are just not trying.

Provisionals Update

Currently at 2 wins 3 losses, the two that i won was full of great teamwork and mostly positive comments. Teamwork is the only reliable way to win a game :D

At 3 and 3 right now :D only 4 more to go.

52 Comments

TSM PrimalDragon5 votes

i can agree i went 8-2 in provisionals got silver 3 while my duo partner who was the same rank as me last season got gold 2 which made me salty but since those first 10 matches all my games have been with people who even for silver level make my head spin i just dont get it this season

TSM PrimalDragon3 votes

and the few wins ive had so far were 16 lp and 24 lp which is insane im a jungle main which a rare now given how hard it is to jungle in season 5 im not asking for a hand out but after my placement plus im not getting jack for lp it would be nice to know what riots big idea is here because it makes no sense

Prozzak4 votes

How is 20 lp gains "jack". I remember when 3-5 was acceptable to complain about. 20 is a lot to gain.

What Is Smite2 votes

Haha S3 you fucked us all over with those absurd amounts of LP gains. You have 98 LP and won the game? Well here's 1 LP to get you ever so much closer to your promo's!! What?! You lost your next game? Well we have to deduct 15 LP for that loss.

RoyaiChaos3 votes

Your mmr was probably way lower than your partner's.

Tanthalason2 votes

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i can agree i went 8-2 in provisionals got silver 3 while my duo partner who was the same rank as me last season got gold 2 which made me salty but since those first 10 matches all my games have been with people who even for silver level make my head spin i just dont get it this season

I don't agree. I made gold 4 by the end of preason. Was mid gold 5 end of season 4. Had horrendous games for the most part in placements and went 3 wins 7 losses....yup that bad.

I DROPPED TO BRONZE 1 what the actual fuck? My mmr at the end of preseason was around 1580 to 1600. For me to place into bronze 1 is bullshit. These placement matches are fucked up and everyone knows it

bachmap1 votes

What we should all keep in mind is that your mmr is both a combination of your rank as well as how you play at that level. That being said your placement is altered depending on more factors than your wins and losses during placement. I feel bad for people that are stuck in B1 and can't get out, my best suggestion is to watch streamers and emulate what they do.

UnspokenVerse3 votes

I havnt had any problems with the new placements was gold 1 last season at the end did promos went 5-5 was still gold 1 to me it seems to go more off mmr then the actual win/lose ratio on another account (fresh) got silver 2 if you got significantly lower then your previous rank you probably barley stayed in that rank in the first place if you want sauce i play on lan -Shake Dat Ashe -ThatsABigNunu

iM Uranium2 votes

Yup been there, i am 0-3 so far. I literally had a team that fed so hard. I did well in beginning as syndra against an ahri. Problem was the other lanes fed early i try to help but it was too much at a point and they just steam rolled in. I understand here and there but the game before than. DC all game, came back toward in and he fed of course since so far behind. I do what I can to try and not rage, but hell...you can only take so much of this garbage.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Just expect the worst possible situation going into the game and say to yourself "Im going to make this a win.", if you lose "Next time i will win" if you continue losing... CONTINUE ON BELIEVING YOU WILL WIN!!! I count it a win if my lane won or my performance was spectacular :) Take my 3rd game, i had most farm on my team as Malphite and i was pushed to the turret and still poked Trynd enough so he couldnt all in me :D.

Currently 1-3 Hoping i keep the streak up but oh well if i dont. BRONZE HERE I COME, BUT I WONT STAY LONG ;D

XenoHD2 votes

I was pretty happy with my placements, I was Gold 3 preseason then after going 8-2 I was placed Gold I, I'm now Plat. I think the placements are fair.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Good for you, that means you were where you deserved to be last season and are now where you deserve to be this season :D

rapturjesus2 votes

I got Gold last season and improved quite a bit since then. I started out in Silver IV last season and thats what Im starting this season. So why am I now back to square one even though I know Ive improved? The matches I played in gold (granted once I got gold I stopped playing ranked for the majority of the season) were all easy wins for me. I think I played around 8 and won 6. The two losses were because people intentionally fed on my team lol. So I had a 75% winrate in gold V. Yet I get just people who dont give a single fuck in my promos and I get 4 wins. People with over 20 deaths, junglers who dont smite baron/dragon, ragers, and a whoooooole lot of people who just had not yet grasped the concept of pushing towers and objectives.

I feel like thats a pretty normal ranked experience as well. Which is bad. Other systems need to be implemented so that whichever team has the worst player doesnt automatically lose every time. Thats just something Ive noticed. 4 out of 5 people could go 5-0-0 in lane or something similar, yet still have no chance because swaglord swain support died 10 times before minions even spawned.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yea unfortunately there are just too many snowbally champions that are meta and just a few early kills tends to shape the rest of the game., but teamwork and positivity can always overcome it if you can all rally together.

Apparently you will be given LP gain bonuses so you will rise faster to the rank you deserve :)

Bresn2 votes

Can't tell if this is a soft reset, or a hard reset, or even What-The-Hell-RNG-TIme

Stephenizgod1 votes

I saw a very informative post about how and why they are doing placements like this. Basically they are taking your MMR from last season adding it to the MMR of the average skilled player then dividing by 2 i think, then putting you a couple ranks lower then the outcome and giving you bonus LP gains so you can rise to the correct rank.

Bresn1 votes

I had this accident smite-less Shaco that did very well.

Then we were getting rekt and the same guy as Zed had a positive KDR.

"gg fuking bad matchmaking. bronze 5"

SleepyLionCub2 votes

I was gold 5 last season. Ended 6/4 in my provisionals. Got placed silver 1. So im not really that upset :/

Stephenizgod1 votes

Oh nice congratz :) I guess that means your MMR was that of low Gold high Silver, you were where you deserved to be last season.

Papi DDS2 votes

Last season I stooped playing ranked for 6 months and maintained gold. During December i ranked like crazy and got my mmr to 1850~ during preseason getting into plat promos many times and only playing with plat people. After promos I won a fair amount of games and got placed into plat 3. I think preseason might have a big effect? IDK how I got into plat 3..when my mmr was plat 5 or 4

Stephenizgod2 votes

YES!! Won another game! I have to say my teams performance was just spectacular! We had control over Dragon the entire game with both defensive and offensive warding around it and in their jungle. The only lane to actually lose was Akali's but not only did he come back, he was also being camped by Lee Sin which ended up costing them because Challenger Garen Top (haha i wish) was teaching Yorick a thing or two about justice! Meanwhile our bot lane was pulling some of the most coordinated plays ive ever seen from two solo laners lol.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1707527051/206176227?tab=stats It was fun, the enemy team put up a valiant fight but with Hec's engages, my Silence + spin-to-win, Nami's epic freakin bubblez, and Akali and Cait just laying down the damage it was too much. Also i did second most damage on team ;D

UnspokenVerse2 votes

I havnt had any problems with the new placements was gold 1 last season at the end did promos went 5-5 was still gold 1 to me it seems to go more off mmr then the actual win/lose ratio on another account (fresh) got silver 2 if you got significantly lower then your previous rank you probably barley stayed in that rank in the first place if you want sauce i play on lan -Shake Dat Ashe -ThatsABigNunu

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yay i finally won a game! It was fun too, both teams were good, while our Fizz may have been MVP the rest of my team was just awesome. TEAMWORK FTW!

clearlove439661 votes

Roit really sucks. they doesnt care peoples feeling. I had a game our bot lose a 2v1 to enemy grave while their mid was afking, and our top cho fed enemy wukong 5 kills within 10 minutes. afk and feeders are always in my team. No matter how good i plat i cant carry a team with so many noobs and feeders and afks.

FooDang2 votes

Riot can only make the matches, they can't control how players play...

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yea i know that feel that is basically how every promo for gold was for me (and i got to it at least 5 times) but this specific post was about people who looked like the wind was taken from their sails. Its one thing to be bad at farming but its another to just click A and let the character go wild :\

AxlStream1 votes

Was like that for season 3, was like that for season 4, will be like that for season 5. If you go down, tell yourself that you were good enough to hit the rank you had last season. You climbed there last season. You learned from it last season. You are BETTER than last season. Riot wants you to prove it. Climb that ladder and show Riot that your result last season wasn't just a fluke.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Im better then the rank i hit last season, i know it, i just havent proved it yet ;D I am 95% confident i will climb out of Bronze once my placements are done (the 5% accounts for trolls that are so trolly there is nothing to be done)

Sammystorm1 votes

Start of the season is really bad. I think a rework for how placements of returning ranked players work is needed.

Stephenizgod2 votes

See i understand why everyone feels this way, but it shouldn't be such a big deal where you get placed. If you deserve to be higher then you will eventually climb to where you are suppose to be. Im a little disappointed that everyone's will is so broken over being placed lower then expected, its not a reason to despair, it should motivate you to try even harder.

RingOfFates2 votes

I'm mad because I went from gold 5 to bronze 1 and now my mmr is going down even if I won a game my mmr is going down even if I won a game basically if I win my mmr goes down explain that and the other games I did lose but the other games I still won and I still lose mmr and my mmr went from 1530 to 1195 and it's still dropping and when I win my mmr still drops so idk what's going on with placements because now there is more people in bronze than anything.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yea they said everyone was going to be dropped a few ranks down so im guess they want Gold 5 and below to mostly start out in Bronze to see if they can raise back up to Gold 5+. Btw im pretty sure winning games doesnt automatically raise your MMR, winning several games in a row raises it but unless you performed extraordinarily amazing a few wins here and there shouldnt raise your MMR too much. This is just info ive gained from several websites and posts.

RingOfFates1 votes

Can you check mine and see what I'm doing wrong?

Stephenizgod1 votes

According to OP.GG your MMR is 1195 like you said, it seems that on a lot of your games your entire team is not doing so well with a few exceptions here and there. My MMR is not much better then yours tbh so i cant tell you exactly whats being done wrong, also you seem to main support so its tough for me to judge by KDA and CS. Judging by majority of the games your ADC does decently well, with a few exceptions here and there so you seem to be a pretty adept support, all i can suggest is to try not to die as much (tough i know and something i dont do so well when i support). When you lane, looks like mostly Top, your CS tends to be pretty good but your KDA isnt so good. Again it seems your teams are just not so good, your score is usually better then the majority of your teams score too.

Sorry im low Silver high Bronze elo so i cant tell you anything beyond the obvious :( Maybe you should make a post in Tips and Tricks asking if any High Elo players are willing to check your match history to see if they can give you advice on why your MMR is low when you seem to do good.

RingOfFates1 votes

Yea idk but my placements weren't suppose to be in this situation but I mean I did bad in my first game with Wukong the average for this mmr keeps on going up and down like it goes to 1344 mmr to 1080 mmr to 1225 mmr I think someone is glitchng my mmr because I've had a virus in my computer like 5 years and it could of effected my internet and someone could be hacking but I'm not really sure either so, and my dad has a windows xp computer so idk if that has to do with anything but I just don't know.

shadecrapper1 votes

And bronze games are just... lvl 15 pantheon is farming top (6/2/5) and lvl 12 Gangpalnk (0/6/3) charges at him. How to carry that Gangplank

Sammystorm1 votes

The problem I have is not that you can make it back. If you deserve to be there you should be able to make it back. My problem is most people are either dropped or increase their ran by a substantial amount. now let say a person is plat 2 end of last season gets places gold 1. Now the amount of games it takes to get back to plat is very substantially unless you were quite a bit harder. So they are making getting back to your true level quite a time commitment. Also the start of the season has the worst ranked matches out of the entire year. It is the only time when peiople are paired with other people significantly higher or lower then them because the soft reset made the close to the "same". The time required to get back to your rank takes too long and the reset should have less of a impact.

MrBuffington1 votes

My recent ranked games (before the reset) have been marathons (40-50+ minutes). Only played three placement games so far but nothing really out of the ordinary; first game we got stomped, second game we stomped them, third game we won but felt much closer (turns out we had a gold lead for much of the game, but fights were pretty chaotic and people getting caught out, you know, solo-q stuff), but no troll picks or anything like that, my teammates seem to be pretty good (morale was kind of low that first game since we got rolled pretty bad); can't say much for what the other team's morale was like (post game chat seemed to have some evidence of a touch of toxicity, but nothing out of the ordinary, no intense flaming or anything). All three games lasted 30+ minutes, the third going 40+, so not like "surrender at 20" stuff or anything. I almost threw the third game (I thought we could get a pick but I ended up getting caught out) but I survived long enough and burnt enough cooldowns for my team to clean up (1 for 5 and we ended off that) :P

Judging from the MMR of my games I'm probably going to place high bronze if I go even in placements; I dug my way out last season though, hopefully the climb this time around will be easier, since I definitely feel improved from where I was at the start of last year :)

Stephenizgod2 votes

Thats good i hope you can rise fast you seem like an understanding player and those kinds always go pretty far.

MrBuffington2 votes

Haha, don't get me wrong I would love to avoid having to go through B1 -> S5 promos again; it took me like 150 games to climb out of bronze last season and I kind of got burnt out after that, just fiddled around in ranked from then. Since last year though, my mechanics have improved and I've refocused my role/champion specialization, not to mention I have dedicated rune pages now, so the climb will hopefully be easier.

Best of luck to you in your placements!

Stephenizgod2 votes

Thanks. Good luck on escaping Bronze im sure it wont be so bad :)

Your Cheerleader1 votes

i hated these placements its like im putting my ranking in others hands cause when they feed i suffer no matter how hard i try

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yea i know that feeling, the best you can do is just keep trying your hardest and staying calm and positive.

LittleBlast1 votes

I went 6-4 i believe, not at computer to check, but that dropped me from s1 to b1... honestly its kinda irritating...

Stephenizgod1 votes

At least only 1 promo and you are back in Silver so thats some good new :). Im sure you have improved since last season even if only a little bit, it will make a difference this season.

It took me 4-5 months to climb from Bronze to Silver I (i eventually fell back to Silver III) but i know i have improved quite a bit since then. Im guessing it will only take me a fraction of that time to rise to Silver I again :) maybe this time i can finally complete my promos for gold 5.

What Is Smite1 votes

Inb4 you realize that your LP gain right now is somewhere between 20-30 per game maybe more

The Soulforged1 votes

I'm prolly gonna go back to silver...

shadecrapper1 votes

Was silver 3, then after going 4-6 in placements dropped to bronze 5. And the climb begins

Stephenizgod2 votes

Good luck my friend, good luck.

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