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You're ___________ because you belong in __________.

Guy Fox Teemo··6 votes·912 views

You're Bronze, because you belong in Bronze You're Silver, because you belong in Silver. You're Gold, because you belong in Gold. You're Platinum, because you belong in Platinum. You're Diamond, because you belong in Diamond. You're Master, because you belong in Master. You're Challenger, because you belong in Challenger.

(Unless of course you're boosted, which will just get you banned in the end)

You are where you are because of your skill, and you will stay where you are till you improve your play. This whole "But feeders/afks/trolls hold me back" No, you hold yourself back, you refuse to improve and any time someone else makes a mistake you use that as an excuse as to why you lost. Not even looking back and thinking about how YOU could have done better/improved, because you are NOT perfect, not even LCS players.

Everyone makes mistakes, but the best players learn from them and improve.

23 Comments

TNHA Baritone3 votes

I hate these posts because they completely ignore chance

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

No, because the enemy team had a higher chance of getting a troll, then you (assuming you're god an never feed). Either way if you're good enough you WILL climb , I could get placed in a Bronze V. This is a strategy/skill game. You yourself can get you out of w.e provided you are good enough. If you can't then it's not your teammates holding you back it's YOU.

ADepressedLeona1 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2115383520/34965871?tab=overview

A normal game, but the principle stands true. Some times it really doesn't matter how hard you try, if you have teammates that are just dead weight, you won't win.

We might as well have been playing a 3v5. Taric got so behind he just didn't do anything, and I'm pretty sure Jhin was only half-way playing the game (There were several times where he just stopped and stood still for a couple of minuets before going back to playing, and times where he would just watch the enemy and spam his dance at them)

I did everything in my power to give everyone an advantage, in the end, I can't control what they do. There are variables in the game, don't act like they don't exist.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Actually the principle doesn't stand true in a normal game, as normal MMR is F'd up, I constantly get matched with bronze - diamond players, since ranked MMR does not reflect normal MMR. You also can make a case about one specific game vs a few hundred games. Also that Diana very well could have carried , just because you have a good kda doesn't mean you did well, last season I had terrible kdas with Nasus , but I legit carried very game I won with him due to me taking every objective on the map myself.

ADepressedLeona1 votes

You completely missed the point of my post.

Also, I did carry, I carried as hard as I could, but when you have a 1-12 Taric, and a Jhin that quite frankly, wasn't even playing the game, there is no winning that. Unless someone on the enemy team dc's.

61939590DEL11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gw9UHLaO,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-03-05T19:03:18.653+0000)

No, because the enemy team had a higher chance of getting a troll, then you (assuming you're god an never feed). Either way if you're good enough you WILL climb , I could get placed in a Bronze V. This is a strategy/skill game. You yourself can get you out of w.e provided you are good enough. If you can't then it's not your teammates holding you back it's YOU.

Listen Well! Do you know how many Ranked matches I had to dodge recently just to finally get a streak GOING? Mostly likely I will lose my next ranked match because I've been working constantly. Bronze is all about team comp, second is jungle's awareness where when your ult is down your valuable to enemy ult likeJax for example. A Jungler can't be @ all lanes given the fact these kids don't know vision & get gank 24/7.

WngNut2 votes

Thank you! I'm currently bronze because I'm bad at doing my own shot calling and I'm only mechanically decent. In other words, it's my fault. Sure I've had feeders, trolls, and AFK's the the majority of my games have been normal and we lost to a team that was simply better. instead of complaining that it's everyone elses fault and I really deserve challenjour, I'll get better so I can climb out.

Eleshakai1 votes

good decision.

PooWho2 votes

You're fat because you belong in weight watchers..?

Myrmiron2 votes

Then how did someone that's as bad as me at this game made it to diamond? I honestly feel like my skill level isn't that high. I have no map awareness, average decision making, average gameknowledge, and my CSing is super bad. I have so much I can improve on, yet I am top ~3% right now (currently sitting at Plat 2 because I don't play that much). I think it goes more like this:

You're Bronze/Silver/Gold, because you're too lazy to seriously try.

RookPusher2 votes

Now that they implemented the series forgiveness, I'm willing to give this more credence. But this post is like telling a Millionaire saying they got rich by hard work alone.

Timing, skill set, and meta are all going to effect people rising and falling. If you hate playing tanks, in a tank meta, you're already down a peg. More than just skill factors into it. And I'd wager the biggest influence on climbing or not had more to do with your decision making than with skill. The game has 4 buttons. Skill has a low ceiling.

It's effort, decision making, and preparation that allow people to climb.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

Real Life VS a Game is MUCH different.

If you can't adapt to the meta, then you aren't a good player and probably shouldn't climb. This is an ever evolving game that constantly changes every 2 weeks. If you can't change with it, then you're going to be stuck where you are.

And Skill = Decision making, strategy, when to go in, when not to go in, when to do stuff etc. I never said "Mechanical" skill, just over all game skill.

RookPusher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gw9UHLaO,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-03-05T20:57:50.321+0000)

Real Life VS a Game is MUCH different.

If you can't adapt to the meta, then you aren't a good player and probably shouldn't climb. This is an ever evolving game that constantly changes every 2 weeks. If you can't change with it, then you're going to be stuck where you are.

And Skill = Decision making, strategy, when to go in, when not to go in, when to do stuff etc. I never said "Mechanical" skill, just over all game skill.

I'll be honest. Even if God came down and said it was true, I wouldn't back statements like this. It breeds toxicity and creates an artificial class system that suggests players should only care about this.

Riot seems to be taking away the fun element while simultaneously telling us things are more fun. That they can't understand the removal of TB, or the implementation of Dynamic queue combine to screw the fun players strikes me as really arrogant. Any posts like this, however inspirational they attempt to be, is more of the same. I can only help but read them as "You're either gold + or you're trash" and maybe it's a product of being in Bronze, but I'll tell you the amount of salty venom int he chat down here is really bad.

You also have to take into account that a lot of young players are playing LoL and it's not a healthy trend to start in on. As someone who's on the older side of the player base, I've just seen decent, well-meaning people get totally dejected from things - sports, clubs, bands - and all they really needed was some time or focus. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this type of post works for some people who respond to motivation of this nature, but unless you're a budding fitness instructor, or you're going into the military, it's not for everyone.

Dont Smite Me1 votes

@Guy Fox Teemo YOUR 100%speaking the truth have my upvote good sir

Eleshakai1 votes

Well said.

And for anyone who is trying to find a way to overcome the 'elo hell' mindset, here's the advice I posted a while back: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/Xp3EhQMY-advice-for-enjoying-and-succeeding-at-ranked-play

Stephenizgod1 votes

I would agree if someone giving up 5 kills to a Riven, Yi, Xin, [insert snowbally champ here]. before 5 minutes didn't mean anything... but it does. That person then has global pressure, any lane they appear in is either dead or is pushed back to base. 5 kills means they are unstoppable and can 2 shot you, unless of course you are equally fed. I try to rally the troops but when 1 person is just feeding hard, it becomes a 4v6 and when this happens early on in the game you lose so much more and can do nothing about it. Turrets are made of paper and shoot cotton balls, so they are no help against someone who is 5+ kills ahead of everyone. If you make it to mid game, you have a chance but only if they make a mistake because by then the enemy team has triple your kills and dragons.

Basically when someone feeds, 80% of the time its over. You can try to shot call, but this is Low Elo, no one is going to listen. You can try to split, you can kill the carries, you can take objectives, but ultimately unless you can 1v5 and take all objectives by yourself, chances are high you lost at 5-10 minutes.

Not saying I am Challenger, I probably belong in Silver, what I am saying is either majority of my teammates need to be dropped to Bronze or let me rise out of this garbage... Sometimes its me who loses the game for us, I end up giving away a few kills to someone I shouldn't have or I make a bad call that costs us. Sometimes you just lose, either their team comp was better or their judgment calls were better. However, the losses due to a teammate feeding to the point it seems intentionally or I have 1 or 2 AFK's or my teammates just flat out ignore my calls, vastly out number my "legitimate" losses. I pride myself on my ability to pick out which loss is which, I don't get angry or mad when I legit lose, im upset i didnt play better obviously but there is no frustration at the game. The games where there was never a chance and it seems like it was just pure chance i happen to get the feeder instead of the enemy team, that is where the frustration comes from.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Why don't you have 5 kills in , 5 mins like the riven? If your better then your Oppenheimer that you should ? Why don't you? Probably because you aren't Better then your opponent but the top riven is .

Stephenizgod1 votes

Because my opponent and me are equally matched but my top laner is clearly NOT equally matched. That is why I said people who are clearly in the wrong League need to be dropped down to people their skill level. It has nothing to do with my personal skill level, its the feeders skill level that matters. The Riven is probably not any better or worse than me or my other teammates, but they are better than the feeder and are using that against us.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

SO you're basing that players individual skill on ONE game? Obviously you said so yourself you did just as bad before in some games.

The point is not to win every game, but to win most games. Which if you're better you will do, you don't have some magic curse that suddenly makes you have more trolls then everyone else.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Not always, I base it off looking at their Match History and see they consistently go that negative, but every once in awhile they get carried which is why they are in my League still. We have bad games but you can go 0/8 and still be valuable to the team, going 0/8 and continuing to not help the team is feeding. If they are feeding, making the same bad calls, not doing anything to improve their game, and not listening to the team then yes I will base that players skill by that one game.

I try to win every game, but expect losses. I can not say the same for my teammates.

GenghisEmo1 votes

Or the allied top isnt skilled?

Maybe the Riven is a smurf?

Maybe ally is on tilt?

Too many factors XD.

Is the guy really worse than Riven?

Or is Riven just lucky?

If it's Low Elo, inconsistency reigns supreme XD.

Envy Sin1 votes

Currently the fact that silver is filled with gold is holding me back since gold is where my skill level is lol.

GenghisEmo1 votes

Actually, low elo rewards lack of skill to a considerable extent.

Promotes abuse of Riot's poor balancing.

Gold and above game knowledge is required.

Plats and above still struggle in Silver or Bronze.

Yes, skill and knowledge are needed. But lack of it is rewarded too, at least low elo. Seen people in Gold or Silver last season who shouldnt have been there. Seen Silvers this season who cant position well.

Due to the inconsistencies, it cant be just said skill alone gets u out of at least the 2 lowest. However, it does play a role in it, especially in being efficient.

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