Cant find anyone Playing AP Ekko Mid

Woook3r·Mar 26, 2016·2 votes·574 views

I never see ekko mid on any streams. JW if someone saw a streamer playing this.

14 Comments

DJ KatarinaMar 26, 20164 votes

Why build ap when you can build him like a tank and output just as much damage?

Woook3rMar 26, 20162 votes

because you cant.

SerevasMar 26, 20163 votes

The sad thing is that you actually can.

The added tankiness prevents him from getting blown up out of the fight, makes it easier to get your ult off in a group, and lets you get more rotations off in general through better build paths. Utilizing his stacks, % hp damage, and base damages, you put out just as much if not more damage than full damage ekko.

Look up Dyrus' match history, he's been playing a ton of Ekko and out damaging most of his team every game.

Woook3rMar 26, 20161 votes

Ok. I just played a match against a tank ekko. I did more dmg than him and we had similar kda's. His was slightly better, but I still out dmgd him. I also had a shitty team and he had a less shitty one, so it was safe for him to deal dmg and it was not really safe for me to do as much as I could have. No one on my team was a threat and I was being focused. Still did the most dmg.

SerevasMar 26, 20161 votes

That was a jungler, tank ekko in lane does equal or more. You have an opponent during the entire laning phase to trade with, his is only applied during ganks and then in the team fighting phase.

Top lane tank Ekko deals the same if not more damage typically than lane damage Ekko.

Woook3rMar 26, 20161 votes

you really have no idea. your just talking out of your ass because you have an opinion.

SerevasMar 27, 20161 votes

Okay, you can take valid FACTS and call it talking out my ass. That's fine.

The fact is laners typically have much more damage to champions than junglers specifically because they're able to trade through laning phase.

You're right though, I couldn't possibly know anything about the game that you don't. That's a good way to go through life.

Woook3rMar 27, 20161 votes

Tank ekko had more gold than me (i think), higher kill participation, and a winning team. Yet I did more dmg than him. Im ok if you say he does equal dmg. But if you act like he does more than you dont fucking know.

Hes a pretty complicated champion to understand, because/and the reason he is built tank more often than ap is due to historical reasons and is due to the fact that he is actually useful as a tank. Im not knocking the tank builds. They do work. Ok? Im not even saying that his ap build is "better". Im just saying that it isnt a given fact that he does MORE dmg with a tank build.

SerevasMar 27, 20161 votes

He's really not a complicated champion to understand and he's built tank successfully because his base damages are strong enough through level scalings, % of max HP scalings, and just the basic damage applied in his kit to make him a heavy damage tank, not to mention the fact that his ultimate can give him a second run at the whole thing over again.

I'm not new to Ekko, I've played him at every single stage of his existence from the first day he was available on PBE. Lichbane builds, RoA damage builds, RoA tank builds, Cinderhulk tank builds, Runeglaive damage builds, Runeglaive tank builds, and now Runic Echoes in both damage and tank builds.

So believe me, I understand the champion, and I understand that being tanky and getting more than a single rotation of your abilities off in a fight typically means that you are dealing more damage than your instantly blown up glass cannon counterpart builds will.

The whole reason he was repeatedly nerfed was because he had insane base damages as well as scalings that resulting in a supremely overtuned assassin that was actually able to 1v5 if he hit his ultimate.

Woook3rMar 27, 20161 votes

The part where you said he was repeatedly nerfed. Should you really use the word repeatedly when he was infact, only nerfed in two patches? If you want to have a real discussion, lets just use normal language and not hyperbole.

Yes. He was nerfed twice because they thought his ult was too much. But they didnt do that nerf because of tank ekko. They would have nerfed the base dmg, and not the radius if that was the case.

These are your words: "The whole reason he was repeatedly nerfed was because he had insane base damages as well as scalings that resulting in a supremely overtuned assassin that was actually able to 1v5 if he hit his ultimate."

It looks like you are suggesting that his assassin builds are overpowered and causing his nerfs. But the rest of your posts seem to suggest that his tank builds are more powerful than his assassin builds.

Why would they want to nerf the LESS powerful builds, which are in line with his squishy dmg dealer identity, while not nerfing the abusive, more powerful, tank builds which are not in line with his identity?

Maybe you just threw the last paragraph in there. I dont know. It seems to go against your argument.

As for puttin in two rotations, ect. The scaling on his passive is 80% of his ap and is way more than twice the dmg you would deal by proc'ing the base dmg twice. Tank ekko chunks you for bout 30%-35% of hp with his q + e + passive. AP ekko chunks you for close to 80%. Thats a little more than twice the dmg.

All im saying is that the builds do about the same dmg, but one is safer and the other is more fun. If you are saying that the tank build is more broken.....then yes I agree. I just think the dmg is about the same if played correctly.

SukishooMar 26, 20161 votes

Because AP Ekko is bad, Tank Ekko is where all the power is.

EpicMusicMar 26, 20161 votes

he dead

RyùuzakiMar 27, 20161 votes

full ap ekko is just bad too squishy and whenever someone on my team picks him mid i keep seeing the message "omg i couldn't press r" because they get deleted in a second jungle bruiser/full tank ekko is way better and IMO ekko is a better jungler than a midlaner where you can gank with your w without the enemy seeing you activating it at first and falling back whenever you do

Woook3rMar 27, 20161 votes

Hes not bad man, hes fun to play. He might just be difficult to play and the lcs copycat effect means that he doesnt get the exposure as an ap. I play him in bronze and silver elo, so I also dont know what it would be like in higher elo, but also I dont think people understand exactly what niche he occupies with a full ap build. I think he takes some champion knowledge to play well as an ap champion. I used to fail a lot with him in lane, building ap, but I experimented with my playstyle and changed my rune page, and now I feel like I can win early against pretty hard counters now, like yasuo.

Note: The usability of his ult for dmg is UP because of the early nerf it got. If he isnt really the greatest as ap mid in Diamond (and I am prepared to admit that he isnt) its because of the ult radius being too small in combination with the cast delay on it. Its really easy to miss it by only about 50 units, and in fact you can walk out of it without too much difficulty. So as things currently stand, his difficulty means that his ap builds never will get the exposure it would take to motivate ppl to master him. And i think im ok with that.