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Alright everyone... you beat me. I give up in my defense of Riot.

Doctor Dyment··3 votes·398 views

Riot, I love you. And I love everything you do. I've been able to survive the onslaught of hatred and anger thrown at you throughout the years. And yes, I am guilty of white knighting Riot Games. I did it, because I knew that in the end I could trust you to make the right choice. But I just... I can't anymore. I made a post asking someone to send me a link to the balance changes, and a few people did. I wanted it so I could fully know that my ironclad defense of you was right. And I did read the balance changes. I managed to get through all of the four champions you listed as juggernauts, and read through all the changes. I managed to be happy while reading them, thinking that I could try to have fun with the new champions. But I was secretly dreading some of the changes. (Darius almost broke my heart when I first read it.) But I managed to get through it optimistically like I always do. Then I read the uh... the armor "changes." Then I read the buffs to Nasus, Zed, and Lee Sin. I... I don't even know what to say. For five solid years I have tried to defend you at every turn. And for five years, I have outlasted every single post. But I just can't anymore. Reading all these posts on the front page breaks my heart. Because it made my worst fears become realized. The community feels like you let them down. Not all of them, but a good majority seem to think so. Am I going to quit League? No. I'm going to keep playing and love it. But I can't try to defend you anymore Riot. It makes me genuinely saddened that I feel that I can't do anything anymore. I'm sorry Riot, I've let you down.

I can only hope that this whole thing blows over in a couple of days, but until then, I think I'll just take a break from the Boards for a while...

11 Comments

redniwediS4 votes

In all honesty Riot does not need to be defended. They will make their changes, and possibly their mistakes, and keep on rolling regardless of how people feel.

They are willing to make mistakes for the sake of progress. Our job is to offer our opinions (preferably in a constructive manner) and to try and break the game with the tools Riot provides us. This is particularly important when it comes to stuff that has been put on the PBE.

Riot has both let us down and exceeded our expectations before, so these coming changes are really nothing new. It's impossible to make everyone happy, and personally I'm loving these changes, however I trust that Riot is at least thinking of the long term implications here.

Doctor Dyment3 votes

You might not know how much this post means to me, but thank you. I argue with people because I care about Riot, and I truly believe that in the long run they'll make the right decision. But all this... I don't even know how to describe it, on the front page has just broken down my spirits over it.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Honestly, you get good changes, and you get bad changes. These are just a lot of bad changes. However, we do get a bunch of good skins, so there's something good. And the armor changes will most likely be reverted at some point.

Vistha Kai1 votes

No amount of skins will make a champion magically playable.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I'm trying to find good things in an overall bad scenario.

Vistha Kai1 votes

If that's the case you should at least try to look for those positives in the same category as the negatives.

gaby1best1 votes

Nasus already gets an increase in attack range from Q, the thing on the PBE is just a tooltip update(that means it actually says it does that now). Darius deserved to get his laning dominance nerfed. He wasn't gutted though, he's still strong. The armor changes - yeah, don't know what to think about that. Armor was kind of cheap but let's not forget item 3035 exists. Zed - he got the 1 second timer on ult recast a month ago, it's still a nerf to what it was a before that. Lee Sin - Dem worlds plays. Mordekaiser - This is actually very interesting, I say we wait until it hits live and then see how it works out. Garen - The Q nerf was kinda expected.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Garen - The Q nerf was kinda expected.

It wasn't. Especially, because they said they will leave the Q as is or slightly change. Removing 40% of champion's only and hard to apply CC is way past "slight change".

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Some things that are out of order:

Buffing Zed and nerfing armor in the same patch is not smart. Even if Zed is worse in role than he was at MSI.

The thing is, Morde being a possibility in the bot lane instead of a marksman is an interesting idea. However, his solo laning was completely gutted with his W changes because he apparently can't ever be a healthy solo laner and because Riot wan't to force the idea of having a melee bot lane. Proof.

Don't forget the Cinderhulk nerfs. Because when the most popular junglers are Elise, Eve, Rek'Sai, Nid, and Gragas, the most important thing to do is nerf one of them out of the meta, along with every other jungler that uses it and have been nonexistant for quite a few patches/a long time (Sej, Amumu). Elise, Eve, and Nid use Runeglaive, and Rek'Sai can use Warrior over Cinderhulk.

I don't really understand the outrage around the Lee Sin buffs, but that's probably because I didn't understand the meta very well until after Lee Sin's prime.

Thornmail was the essential way to beat ADCs. So it was nerfed because Riot wants to make it easier for them to make new defensive items. Seems pretty legit.

Darius is a lane bully in nature. He's a lane bully with little late-game impact if starved early. So nerfing a key part of his existance is a bit odd to me.

gaby1best1 votes

Buffing Zed and nerfing armor in the same patch is not smart. Even if Zed is worse in role than he was at MSI.

Still, Zed is an assasin and the armor items that got nerfed are only bought by tanky champs, not the squishies he's supposed to assasinate.

Don't forget the Cinderhulk nerfs. Because when the most popular junglers are Elise, Eve, Rek'Sai, Nid, and Gragas, the most important thing to do is nerf one of them out of the meta, along with every other jungler that uses it and have been nonexistant for quite a few patches/a long time (Sej, Amumu). Elise, Eve, and Nid use Runeglaive, and Rek'Sai can use Warrior over Cinderhulk.

You are wrong with this. It's actually a mid game buff. Rioters stated that only after you reach 1k bonus health it's a nerf to Cinderhulk, and that's only after 3 completed HP items.

Thornmail was the essential way to beat ADCs. So it was nerfed because Riot wants to make it easier for them to make new defensive items. Seems pretty legit.

If you want to counter ADCs only, Thornmail does a better job now. But that implies you focus your build on armor and that leaves you more vulnerable to magic damage. Guys like Malphite or Rammus got indirectly buffed for their innate armor. But Thornmail is way less effective if you don't itemize for it.

Darius is a lane bully in nature. He's a lane bully with little late-game impact if starved early. So nerfing a key part of his existance is a bit odd to me.

Well they did buff his teamfighting while nerfing his laning, so that compensates. And honestly, Darius was way too dominant top lane, I kinda expected the nerf for a few good months.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I have nothing really about Zed.

The thing is, it isn't like Cinderhulk needed any buffing/nerfing/tweaking. Runeglaive junglers are the big thing right now, so that's what needs to be changed. The reason I'm seeing is that it fills a late game role that is already taken up by Devourer, but they take up different late game roles, and not every champion can use Devourer or benifit from the AS. In any case, the early-mid game role is already very saturated.

Thormail used to be a way to counter ADCs without completely itemizing for them. If I was going to completely itemize for ADCs, I could do that with previous items. Now, you have to pay serious attention to exactly what the enemy has built for their carries, and possibly itemize two different tanks to counter two different carries.

Darius's teamfighting was buffed, but his teamfighting is not what makes him special. His identity is a lane bully who requires his lane power to do anything in the mid-late game. I don't really understand nerfing strengths and buffing weaknesses to make a champion more standard in power curve.

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