Attitudes toward nonstandard picks is hilarious.

Kikirino·Sep 25, 2015·94 votes·4,931 views

I pick Karthus top and the enemy picks Riven. Team is like "Karth into Riven lol have fun". I get a double kill first blood against Riven/Amumu with the help of my jungler and everyone takes back their comments from champ select. I use the double kill to zone riven and get a lead in lane. At this point no one is upset about the pick because I win lane. The game transitions to the teamfight, rotate objective phase.

At this point we lose because their teamfight is much better than ours and it magically becomes my fault. I was useless because I had no damage (top damage on the team), "I should have dodged with the troll top pick", team had no tank and that was my fault even though I was first pick and on and on. It doesn't matter how well you do as an offmeta pick. If your team loses it is completely your fault.

121 Comments

tonzillacrayonSep 25, 201555 votes

people just need the excuses ready for their shit play. They must be new since karthus top has been played in the lcs even..

Troll for TrumpSep 26, 20151 votes

Yes you should meta break, but if your team needs ____ and ____ you should probably help them. I get it you are breaking the meta. But don't say it's not your fault, when you are the ADC and you decide to "Break the meta" and pick soraka ADC, do well by some stroke of luck, than pretend you are the victim.

LCS meta is not standard meta; otherwise kalista would be everywhere, people would laneswaps, and their wouldn't be any notable toxicity.

tonzillacrayonSep 26, 20152 votes

yeah and i wonder why most of those kids are stuck in low elo? because playing stuff like soraka adc is shit and will only win you the game if you are extremely superior to your opponent.

Solari FortuneSep 25, 201523 votes

I get yelled at if I try to play Quinn ADC :(

DemonwolfSep 25, 20152 votes

And it works damned fine too.

blueberrypancakeSep 25, 201511 votes

I play ADC Kennen

I get death threats

(still deal most damage in the game)

FistOfSharkieshaSep 25, 20151 votes

But why? If you do well with Kennen ADC you'd do better with literally any other ADC.

CheftoniFTWSep 25, 20157 votes

Because Kennen, unlike most adcs, has CC and mobility. Just because something is labelled by the meta as a certain role champion, doesn't mean that champion exclusively belongs there.

Hell, I remember pre-nerf Soraka mid lane was my main mid-laner. I outdueled anyone.

FistOfSharkieshaSep 26, 20152 votes

And you either waste your ultimate or go right into the middle of the fight to use it, which is not good as an ADC. Soraka was perfectly fine in mid lane before her nerf and she can still be used there. At least she brings tons of sustain and utility to the team. You either play suicidal or lose your utility if you use Kennen ADC.

Y'all can downvote me all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you are disadvantaging yourself if you use Kennen as an ADC. If you use him like an ADC, you're doing nothing but the damage your items give you and his slight passive AD steroid. If you use him for his stun you're throwing shurikens and shocking people. This is exactly how AP Kennen works but he actually does damage because you know, he's built AP.

Yes, he can work, in the same way that ADC thresh can work. You can manage to make any champion do anything that doesn't mean it isn't less than optimal.

LordForrestSep 26, 20151 votes

Uh, dude do you even know kennens kit? That ad steriod on his w is huge, his e gives him both safety and defenses and he can stun enemies himself with his passive. Yes, you can't just charge in with his ult for the dreaded teamstun that ap or tank kennen is know for, but if you play like a normal adc using his AUTOS for damage and his basic abilitys to proc the stun you will do good. And for his ult treat it as an disengage spell or a clean up spell if the enemy is routed. He is actually surprisingly strong if you can play him well. Also this here item 3085 is godly on him, it seriously cuts down on the stack time for his w.

FistOfSharkieshaSep 26, 20153 votes

It's a ~15% AD increase or 80% increase every 5 attacks. That's not amazing. Twitch and MF's teamfight is better while Vayne flat out destroys his damage. Keep downvoting me. There's a reason you don't see him in high elo. Again, not saying he isn't viable or you can't do amazing with him, just saying there are better options.

MordepoolSep 25, 20153 votes

{quoted}

I play ADC Kennen

I get death threats

(still deal most damage in the game)

What's your build ( I have been experimenting with limited success)

darkmatchwaldoSep 25, 201516 votes

Let me tell you........ I was playing some unranked draft the other day and let everyone know i'd like to play adc. Someone says don't ban blitz, i'm gonna play him. I tell everyone i have a mega awesome pick that works great with blitz but it's a little unusual so don't freak out. they pick Ashe so i'm thinking "HELL YES! No mobility! One blitz hook and she's done for" I proceed to lock in Yasuo (seriously if you have a duo buddy go play Blitzcrank Yasuo it is the most fun you'll ever have in bot lane) our Tryndamere :GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGG FF AT 20 YASUO ISN'T AN ADC our "jungler" then locks in Tristana and tell me i HAVE to go mid because i'm trolling and yasuo bot is a stupid pick this forced the person who was going to play blitz (aka the whole reason i picked yasuo) to go Nunu summoner 11

The entire champ select our Tryndamere was spamming "GG"

Meanwhile i'm trying to explain to Tristana Tryndamere that i've done this before and came out of laning phase with 5+ kills, yasuo can farm without getting poked out because of his passive shield, windwall, and zone that blitz creates. Even pre-6, one hook is a death sentence because Yasuo can dash off minions so they can't escape. Also, once their adc is hooked you can toss windwall between the supp and adc so that the supp can't throw anything to help their adc escape.

It was like trying to talk to a wall. Oh well. Hopefully i come across them in the bot lane someday and they can taste the wrath of Blitzcrank Yasuo

DecritSep 26, 20152 votes

This is why i felt things like Mordekaiser, even if rough, are necessary to this game: herd mentality does fuck up.

Marcel AshSep 25, 20159 votes

I played a game where someone jungled with Katarina and I was like "Wow cool I can dig it" and then she spent the entire match saying "SEE? KAT JUNGLE WORKS" after every kill and I'm like "Gurl I get it" and she's like "KAT JUNGLE" and I'm like "gurl."

qetzelSep 25, 20158 votes

Nah.

Although... What were the teamcomps? I'm having difficulty thinking of a team with a bad teamfight that has Karthus.

ReQnosisSep 25, 20152 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AlphaKiloGaming Scroll down a bit to see the Karthus game.

Beyond the champs, Morg had Zonyas, both Draven and Riven had GA along with Zilean for some extra revive.

NarasimhaSep 25, 20153 votes

That actually makes sense then. Karthus was the ONLY guy who could possibly teamfight. Double ADCs though.

KingKong2350Sep 25, 20153 votes

As an elise main, the elise build of the jungler on your team made me want to gouge my eyes out.

BídoofSep 25, 20158 votes

"Brand jungle wtf? Troll report" the last 2 guys in queue just pick troll champs because they dont want brand jungle and someone dodges

;-;

XakinosSep 25, 20157 votes

People rage hard at my Kayle support. Then Vaynes be like OMG I CARRIED THIS SO HARD!!! And I'm thinking well yes it's much easier to carry when you're invincible during the assassin/APC's burst, you had the best single target heal in the game during laning, your targets armor is shredded 40%, and their ms is cut in half.

JhomasTeffersonSep 25, 20154 votes

I played AP shaco top once into riven. Same thing happened to me. People were like "lol this kid copying voyboy" i've never even seen him lol. Anyway, i do fine, i allahu akbar with my clone for like 900 damage lategame. I throw daggers, which they try to run from, so they get hit in the back for 20% more damage, i wait for them to dive me in my ring of jack in the boxes, and i stealth flash away with q when shit gets bad. But my team wanted to group with 5. We had no tank. I tell them that. I also point out the inherent flaw with grouping that bronze players don't seem to get. When you're in a group, you can be aced much more easily. They don't listen. I followed that adage "5 people doing the wrong thing together is better than 1 guy doing the right thing with 4 people pissed off at him" We got aced and lost. And it was my fault. I was 2nd pick. The adc picked before me. the jung didn't pick tank, the supp didn't pick tank, and the mid picked ziggs, a squishy as hell mid, even as far as midlaners go. So we were all fairly squishy. I say to them, we have no tank and low cc, why would we group. "Shaco shut the fuck up. Thats literally the stupidest thing i've ever heard" I tell them it makes even less sense because, while I'm doing ok, as a team we're behind. And even though i hadn't died, i had enough trouble with riven negating most of my e damage with her op shield, so i couldn't leverage much of an advantage, just barely winning lane. They tell me "You have no idea how to play the game, The enemy is grouping, so why wouldn't we"? I respond with "Because they're a deathball. They have ranged cc with cho, which sets up a blitz grab, which turns a 5v5 into a 4v5, then riven gets in, stuns, aoe knocks up, cho eats someone, and their adc mops up the other three." They didn't listen, and exactly that happened. And it was my fault for picking ap shaco top and not wanting to group. Then for the rest of the game i refused to group, so i got reported.

darkmatchwaldoSep 25, 20156 votes

every single game of unranked ever even if you have a split push comp "guys we should group now"

Xx420n0sc0p3sxXSep 25, 20154 votes

I'm going to assume this is ranked. In ranked, you want to win. Picking something a bit strange like Irelia mid works usually, but Karthus top, I'm sorry to say, sucks. You got lucky. Almost every toplaner with a gaplcoser will destroy, just as assassins do. Now for your second paragraph, I agree, it's dumb for them to say that, but in general there is a reason why the meta exist, it's the best way to win.

DrCyanideSep 25, 201522 votes

but in general there is a reason why the meta exist, it's the best way to win.

You've got it backwards. The meta is the compilation of what generally is accepted. There isn't a magic formula which says "this is the best way to win".

My public speaking teacher explained meta as a general principle, not just some League specific thing. The example they used was that the meta of research says smoking is bad for you, but you could find reports from experiments that beg otherwise. It's not about who's right or wrong, just what's the general conclusion.

By the definition of meta, it can only be determined through experimentation and is changeable. We saw Urgot mid become meta in the LCS this year, as well as AP Kog'maw mid. These are things others had tried and run before they were meta, and no doubt mocked for the same things that the OP is talking about. Yet here they are, and the same process that determined if they were good needs to continue. And I think if pro teams can divert from the meta in their professional games we should be able to in our own ranked games, don't you?

AlphadefSep 26, 20153 votes

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't morgana support a "troll" pick at one time? Annie as well?

TacoTheKittenSep 25, 20154 votes

My last game was a 4v5 that lasted over an hour and we literally did nothing but just play with no fucks given... duo mid till our riven afk'd, no adc... 4 frozen heart malphite. And that all stemmed from a highly toxic pregame lobby where me and two other people just said "fuck it" and we all just decided to play with no fucks given. That was the most fun I've had playing in a while. The best games are where you just play like it's a video game, not some competition.

WhiteMriswithSep 26, 20152 votes

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The best games are where you just play like it's a video game, not some competition.

^^This. Absolutely this.

DarthSpectrumSep 26, 20154 votes

It doesn't matter which champion one picks for a solo lane. Almost all of them work.

For example, Alistar top used to be a devastating lane bully due to his automatic AA after Headbutt. Taric can actually out duel most champions if built tanky AP due to his shield. Nunu can out-sustain the best drain tanks and poke his opponents out of lane.

Still, I am surprised that you could win against Riven as Karthus. I would imagine the match up to be Riven coming to lane at level 6 and 100-0ing you. However, perhaps it wasn't the best idea to pick Karthus before you knew what the enemy top laner is going to be. Karthus has so many counters due to his immobility, and a tankier champion might benefit your team more.

If you are looking for another cool off-meta pick, try top/jg TahmKench . Most people haven't realized that he counters all the Juggernauts and Fiora.

His Shield will almost completely negate Darius's and Garen's ultimates. As well, abilities that suddenly grants health/shield are surprisingly effective against Fiora (One of the reason a weak early game champion, Nasus, counters her).

His gank potential with his ultimate and the insane AOE slow range on spitting a minion is also extraordinary. He just might become a staple pick soon. XD

Lady DarenaSep 26, 20154 votes

I think the problem is people have settled into the "rules" of the game too much on this game, and stopped actually playing for fun... if they EVER played for fun in the first place. Seriously, ranked players; some of you scare the crap out of me.

What I mean by "settled into the rules" is that certain champs can only be played certain ways on certain parts of the map with certain equipment. If you play even slightly different, you become an instant failure and everyone hates you. You're also not allowed to play your favorite champ; instead you have to "choose for the team", which often requires you to play a champ you might not be so good with... which demands you learn every champion to some extent.

It's the same as when I used to play WoW back in the beginning. There I was playing a hunter, exploring and running around enjoying the game and people I occasionally grouped with would tell me I was "doing it wrong", and had the wrong equipment and so on. I wasn't a bad player or getting anyone killed and I genuinely enjoyed playing the game... but if I wasn't sticking to the rules, then I was somehow failing at playing the game "correctly".

Last I checked, I play games for the enjoyment, not to follow the "preset designs" or character builds.

ZT XperimentorSep 26, 20151 votes

Cannot upvote enough. This is why I hate the 'meta'

SkullDuggery19Sep 27, 20151 votes

You hate the "most effective tactic available?" Seems logical.

It's actually right on par with the rest of the stupidity in this thread. Wasting others time? Perfectly fine, as long as you have fun doing it!!

ZT XperimentorSep 27, 20152 votes

I hate stale gameplay, which the meta promotes; 'everyone play this to win' and other such mentalities. There's 100+ champions to choose from, but only 30 are seen on a daily basis, same for item builds and so on.

But anyway I concur on the idiocy and hatred in the community.

EasterGooseSep 26, 20154 votes

Please. I picked AD graves jungle for a normals game, and three members of my team then decided to steal all my camps, run mid to dive enemy tower for an enemy triple, then afk. Only one who didn't was my friend. Probably the worst reaction I've heard of to an unorthodox pick.

Battlecast SonaSep 25, 20153 votes

The weirdest to me is when people pick offmeta supports. Like, people are playing Vel'Koz support at Master, there must be some reason... Oh is it the amazing gold income available to supports now in comparison to before? And the fact that a lot of support items have better stats on them now? Hmm...

Like, if I wanna play Ziggs support just trust that I've done it before. I'm a support main. Just shh, let the second secret APC carry you to victory.

darkmatchwaldoSep 26, 20151 votes

In the hands of a good support player, i think ANY champs can work as support when paired with the right carry. Azir support? GO AHEAD! Zone the enemy adc from cs all day long! Viktor support? WHY NOT? He only needs 1000g to do very painful E damage and his disengage with W is awesome! Gangplank support? JUST DO IT! Awesome zone control/slows and not to mention his extremely useful ult!

ShatteredSkysSep 26, 20151 votes

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In the hands of a good support player, i think ANY champs can work as support when paired with the right carry. support? GO AHEAD! Zone the enemy adc from cs all day long! support? WHY NOT? He only needs 1000g to do very painful E damage and his disengage with W is awesome! support? JUST DO IT! Awesome zone control/slows and not to mention his extremely useful ult!

I actually used to play the old gp as a support. I mean his e was an as and ms buff, his q provides decent poke, his w lets him absorb cc and sustain, his passive is a permaslow, and he has a global aoe slow to support the entire team.

Urgonnalearn2daySep 26, 20153 votes

The problem is that "break the meta" picks more often than not fail dramatically. Like 1 out of every 10 times you see it; it's some guy who thinks he's gonna suddenly make Vayne top work and he hardly plays Vayne.

IonianSep 25, 20152 votes

I don't go for off-meta picks in ranked exactly because of that, but in normals it's fun. Ahri top, Ahri support, Ahri jungle, Irelia adc, Irelia jungle, Leblanc adc :DDDD

SinlaireSep 25, 20153 votes

I play ADC for kicks sometimes. summoner 4 summoner 14 and starting from lvl 2 you farm champs, not minions.

start E, use the blast cone to chunk the adc from range. hit 2, grab Q, dive.

every time they get close and you can get some support help, dive the carry until they back or die.

pretty fun really. team hates you in select until you win. then have no problems with you using assault and battery (R) to crush the enemy adc all game long.

but god in heaven if you lose lane.

darkmatchwaldoSep 25, 20152 votes

Irelia summoner 11 highly under rated.

Devack The HolySep 27, 20151 votes

Sated Skirmisher Irelia...

Excuse me, sir, how thinly would you like your enemy sliced?

spavinedSep 25, 20152 votes

the correct term is leblade :D before her w movespeed nerfs it was godlike to bad pretty much the only nerf they could do to leblanc nerfed her adc presence :P

FenriyxSep 26, 20152 votes

Break the META!

BlueBanthaMilkSep 26, 20152 votes

Even playing morde ADC in high bronze is oftentimes enough to set your team on serious yelling tilt for an entire game.

They deny that it's a thing, even until the postgame when you have half as many deaths and twice as many kills as the next closest person on your team.

TDubHSep 25, 20151 votes

May i just congradulate you on winning lane? if i were the riven i'd wait til brutalizer use my mobility to dodge your q's go in and burst you then walk out... to out play that... well done!

KikirinoSep 25, 20154 votes

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May i just congradulate you on winning lane? if i were the riven i'd wait til brutalizer use my mobility to dodge your q's go in and burst you then walk out... to out play that... well done!

The funny thing is, I completely expected to lose lane but then I realized that if I used my q to try and harass riven she would use her q and e to dodge it. Any time there was a minion low enough for her to cs I would drop a Q on it and she would hit it and dash away or just let it die to my minions. This gave me an early cs lead and she blew her mobility to avoid harass so she couldn't all in me.

chipndip1Sep 26, 20151 votes

Reason why you were blamed: Top lane is where the front liners usually go, and if you send a fighter like Riven or Yasuo there, you need a front liner in your jungle. It's not good when someone goes Ekko or Riven or Yasuo or Lissandra top when you don't have something like Cho or Xin or Shyvana on your team too. You may do fine in lane, but the transition to team fighting is probably gonna go sour because your comp as a whole is bad when you pick someone that needs to be protected to play a lane where the protector usually goes.

ZenBudSSep 26, 20151 votes

Generally your suppose to make sure your team has tank/peels before you make a selfish top pick as you did, as in a tanky support plus jungler. Your team probably lost because your karthus top... I would be mad too. Yeah you can win lane with quinn or heimerdinger top, But your probably setting your team up for failure late game. You winning your early game only made the game drag on more for which was almost certain from your troll pick to be a losing game anyways.

DemonwolfSep 26, 20153 votes

He was first pick, their support picked karma, their mid went adc. He is hardly at fault for them being incompetent. Ever heard of the dreaded fiora and riven top? Or Rumble even? or Tryndamere Teemo etc. Nobody will bitch at you for playing those champs top, you're just finding excuses.