"We care about our game and community!" -- Rito

Niyumi·Sep 2, 2016·1 votes·340 views

Yep, sure you do. What have you done to prove it? In fact, what have you done PERIOD that isn't about money? Just name one thing.

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ModWulf HelhammerSep 2, 20165 votes

Allowing you to get content that was previously only behind a pay wall for free just by playing the game.

Continue to develop the game so it doesn't stagnate and become boring

Care about the community and make it a top priority to get rid of those that make the game unfun to play

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NiyumiSep 2, 20161 votes

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Allowing you to get content that was previously only behind a pay wall for free just by playing the game.

Hextech is nothing but a big bait system. What better way to entice people to buy RP other than to open the chests and play the gambling game that so many other F2P companies love? Once you get a couple free things, you want more and more, and you're more willing to spend money to do so.

Continue to develop the game so it doesn't stagnate and become boring

Every champion release, every skin release, they make oodles of money. They do not develop their game out of passion for the game. If that was true, they would be constantly working to update the older champions / models / adding maps / actually balancing / fixing bugs / whatnot (and no, having a skeleton of a skeleton crew doing champ updates is not that. A competent team would have a champion update done within a week or two at most) and making the game the best it can be -- but they certainly don't do that.

Care about the community and make it a top priority to get rid of those that make the game unfun to play

No, they don't. Trolls, feeders, AFKers, and all these other types of people are rampant. Smurfs are entirely allowed. But they remove people who hurt your feelings over the internet. So, yeah, they don't make it a top priority to do anything but the most shallow of policing.

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G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TRSep 3, 20161 votes

{quoted} They do not develop their game out of passion for the game.

You mean a company does their work for profit or something? What horrible monsters!

MagicFlyingLlamaSep 2, 20165 votes

Making a completely non-P2W free game of very high quality.

All of the completely non-profitable, massive content patches like the summoner's rift update, splash updates, butcher's bridge (i am not even going to guess at how many thousand work-hours that was, for what was basically a story event).

Constant balance changes, much better than any other online game.. Really, a 1-2% winrate deviation is amazing for a game this complex., no matter what the forum ragers want you to think.

Good communication with the community and support/tolerance for fansites, 3rd-party programs and sites like op.gg and lolreplay, allowing youtube videos. A lot of big companies do everything in their power to shut down any and all fan content beyond art and wiki/forum discussions.

NiyumiSep 2, 20161 votes

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Making a completely non-P2W free game of very high quality.

Oh sure, League isn't P2W, but it's definitely not "of very high quality." Just look at the game, and you'll see all kinds of issues that are quite easily fixed, yet totally ignored by Rito since they don't want to spend money to fix it. You know that bug where Jayce's hammer freezes? Been around for years. Still no fix, and a Rioter went as far as to say it was pointless to try and fix it anyway. And uh, have you seen some of the models in the game? Any competent team can update them in a few days to a week -- yet Rito doesn't spend the money to do so.

All of the completely non-profitable, massive content patches like the summoner's rift update, splash updates, butcher's bridge (i am not even going to guess at how many thousand work-hours that was, for what was basically a story event).

Not directly profitable, no, but they are incredibly profitable indirectly. See, with Butcher's Bridge, they hyped up the GP rework as well as TF, Graves and MF (the first got a rework, the rest got new skins), and made money off of that. The map update was more to keep the vain players; a lot of gamers equate graphics to quality, and will quit a game if they think it looks ugly. So Rito updated the map to look better, and to draw in those more shallow gamers and keep them -- same idea for splash arts.

And thousands of hours? Ha! In a game with as small a scope as League, it should take no more than a hundred.

Constant balance changes, much better than any other online game.. Really, a 1-2% winrate deviation is amazing for a game this complex., no matter what the forum ragers want you to think.

Constant changes, sure, but are any of them actually trying to balance the game? We have absurdly strong champions who continue to be strong, even though they have 56%+ winrates (Ashe, for example) -- why? Well, Rito doesn't want balance, since that doesn't make money in an F2P game. Instead, they usher in FOTM waves, and spike skin sales for certain champs / classes. In a game like League, you will never see true balance.

Good communication with the community and support/tolerance for fansites, 3rd-party programs and sites like op.gg and lolreplay, allowing youtube videos. A lot of big companies do everything in their power to shut down any and all fan content beyond art and wiki/forum discussions.

So they let you advertise for them -- big whoop. Saves them the money they would have to spend for it.

MagicFlyingLlamaSep 2, 20164 votes

You are clearly not a game developer and have no concept of the work involved in most of those things. I guess it is OK for you to be misinformed, but keep it to yourself.

Incidentally, all i see you posting here is delusional anger.

NiyumiSep 2, 20161 votes

I have clearly never done any work in the field, nor interned at Nintendo, nor taken several high school and college courses in game design and DEFINITELY don't plan on it for a career.

Nope, that'd be silly. Can't have informed people on the forums! That's just absurd.

MagicFlyingLlamaSep 3, 20162 votes

Than you know the amount of work that goes into concepts, testing, feedback and development in general. They do not just sit down and roll out new assets start to finish.

Except you are probably just talking shit, because it does not appear that you do.

NiyumiSep 3, 20161 votes

Yes, but see, League is a TINY game compared to nearly everything else in the industry; to do just about anything in a game as small a scope as League would be trivial. The fact that it takes them so long to do anything shows how few resources they're putting into any development -- and even less goes into the base game.

SarutobiSep 2, 20164 votes

Making free to play, fun game! I like how people call them money hungry, or only about the money yet fail to realize this game is free. If they were truly only about the money they would charge you for everything. Not only that they would pay to have your account immune, or pay to have your account back. Yet none of this is implemented!

Hell i can ask you the same question. Name one thing that makes them only about the money?

NiyumiSep 2, 20161 votes

Here's the first thing that shows they care about nothing but money: The fact that the game is F2P.

SarutobiSep 2, 20164 votes

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Here's the first thing that shows they care about nothing but money: The fact that the game is F2P.

That doesnt even make any sense! They are only about the money, but the fact that its a Free game means they are money hungry? Thats the logic you are going by?

While it wasnt a reply to me, i wanna reply to the previous poster. First off Hextech is Free. You get free chest for every S champion you get, and free Key Shards after a couple of games. If you are so entice by that, that you feel you NEED to buy more, than the only person to blame is yourself. Again no one is forcing you to buy the hextech. You are doing so knowingly. Let alone the fact that it isnt even a requirement for the game, so how is that in any way Only about the money?

Every patches there is always balancing issues, that is what happens when you have a game with this many champions/items. its really is Riot fault, but they are improving. Plus they do updates on older champions, and items all the time. You just assume because it isnt in every update that they never do it. So again thats all on you.

Im not even going to comment on the last thing because its just becoming an annoyance at this time. Not quite sure why people believe this, but they do ban people for trolling, anyone who visits this site for 5mins could see that! It is a problem, and while people can just make a new account its going to be difficult to catch every single person breaking the rules. Just like in real life!

NiyumiSep 2, 20161 votes

Okay, so let me explain how F2P works.

So, you draw in a lot of people with your base game, cool, they start playing and potentially having fun, cool -- as long as they get addicted, you don't care. Then, you wave all kinds of extra features / cosmetics / whatever in front of their face -- and, people being the vain little things they are, they'll buy then to stand out from their friends and look different.

So that's F2P in a nutshell. That's how the model works: you make money off the cash shop, instead of your game.

Now, we're moving along, your game is popular. You still don't make money off of the base game, so you put as little money into it as you can -- just enough to keep people playing and content enough to spend money. You funnel nearly all of your budget into the cash shop, making new, sparkly things and trying to get whales to buy them. You don't make any money for the work you put into the base game, so you ignore it if at all possible, and change it to best suit your cash shop.

So what does that mean in League? Well, it means we ignore the game itself, and focus on skins / champs / RP in general: Balance is not and never will be a thing, the game is full of bugs and bad programming, we have a ton of old, out-dated models, programming, mechanics, etc., and we have a lot of champions who desperately need reworks / visual updates but are ignored -- but hey, we'll make placebo balance changes every two weeks, and add new skins!

Just the fact that you're willing to throw away your game like that and declare yourself F2P shows how greedy you are.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TRSep 3, 20162 votes

There are plenty of ways that F2P games "force" players to spend money. Riot does none of those. There are no paywalls to unlock game modes, no pay to win options AT ALL, and recently they've even made skins, by far the biggest revenue source I'd assume, available for free too. Only an incredibly small fraction of their playerbase ever spends money on the game at all. Their balance team may not be perfect, but it's all too easy to point out times when the community was outraged about something that turned out to be fine. Most recently, duskblade was supposed to be completely gamebreaking, but has turned out to be a fairly reasonable item. It's much easier to get angry that they're not balancing perfectly than it is to actually get everything right in game. Could they be doing better? Yes. Are they greedy money hogs? Not a chance.

RcGjWO640wSep 2, 20163 votes

A business that designs its games to be financially stable?! What an outrage!

specter424Sep 2, 20161 votes

league is more then financially stable

RcGjWO640wSep 2, 20164 votes

The fact that you say that without know literally any numbers of how much Riot makes compared to how much it spends on the game's development and marketing, scares me. People will say anything to make themselves right.

I'm not saying League isn't financially stable, it definitely is, but you make it sound like they're making triple or quadruple their spending as profit, which is just hilariously uninformed.

NiyumiSep 2, 20161 votes

There's a difference between being financially stable and being a greedy asshole. Rito (and most of the gaming industry) is far, far to one side -- can you guess which one?

RcGjWO640wSep 2, 20163 votes

Right, I'm sorry. You mean with their free to play game that doesn't make you pay for anything except cosmetics? Yeah, screw Riot. They're so greedy.

Kappa aside, I'm sorry. Is your entitlement really that much that Riot's free to play game isn't free enough?