Veigar is busted (90 degrees of tilt)

Zerenza·Oct 17, 2016·4 votes·880 views

Two games, two games in a row, i'v had to deal with veigar's one shotting me. Why, why does he have a targeted execute. Why does any champion have a targeted execute. Why can he do 2000 damage with one spell but half the other champs in the game can't do more than 200. Why the fk is he allowed to scale INFINITELY FOR NO REASON.

I'm so tilted, i hate this champion, and the worst part is when the veigar thinks he's good cause he can click on you. I hate that. I'm so tilted. I'm not playing league for a couple months after this, not to mention the fact he build every AP item that gave HP SO YOU KNOW HOW TANKY HE WAS? HELLA, THAT"S HOW MUCH, HE WAS HELLA. Fking mages man.

20 Comments

AstôlfoOct 17, 20166 votes

He is not even slightly broken. Learn to play against him.

ZerenzaOct 17, 20162 votes

Did you not see the 90 degrees of tilt, i don't want your damned feed back. I'm just posting this to untilt.

But i guess i'l humor you, what counter play is their to someone who can click on me and kill me in one hit? Cause yeah, i'm not sure maybe a Zhonyas right? Well unfortunately that just makes me a sitting duck for his stun so he can just walk up to me and place there and his other ability will kill me anyway. Oh but wait i can build MR right? Abyssal scepter, sorry that won't work I LITTERALLY DID DO THAT AND HE STILL ONE SHOT ME. So i'm not sure what you mean by "Learn to play against him" because i tried all of the things i knew to try and guess what? He still one shot me, my entire team and solo carried the game.

Now if you'd please, learn what satyr is.

AstôlfoOct 17, 20162 votes

If you don't want feedback, then don't post on a public boards site.

He cannot ever kill you with just his ultimate if you're full health, unless you're EXTREMELY behind or he's ABSURDLY, RIDICULOUSLY ahead.

Buy MR. Learn to dodge his Q. You shouldn't ever be hit by his W unless you're stunned. You shouldn't ever be stunned outside of a third factor such as someone pushing/pulling you into the cage, because you should never be hit by the edge, let alone walk into it of your own volition. Also, QSS exists. If you're AP, get Zhonya's and just use it if you see the ult flying at you, since it's a projectile with a travel speed. If you're AD, get Hexdrinker/Maw/other MR, or shield items like Sterak's. In general, get GA by the time it's that late game if you're a squishy.

I don't see how your team being so horrible they can't even shut down a Veigar means anything to his balance.

Now if you'd please, learn to spell 'satire' as well as learn its definition, because you clearly don't understand what it means if you think your post is satire.

ElishevaOct 17, 20161 votes

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He is not even slightly broken. Learn to play against him.

The longer the game goes, the less counterplay there is.

AstôlfoOct 17, 20162 votes

Incorrect. He does not gain any new abilities/lose any weaknesses/magically gain faster abilities.

Big LincolnOct 17, 20161 votes

he hits harder though, meaning that tank stats get less effective the more AP he gathers

I love Veigar but his ability to kill tanks in one rotation late game is pretty ridiculous

AstôlfoOct 17, 20161 votes

Tanks should never be hit by a full rotation without a third interfering factor. Nor should anyone else. To land his W, his enemies need to be stunned by his E (unless they're actually garbage), which has a cast-indicator of its area as well as a delay, and is cleanse-able. His Q is a skillshot. And his R will not kill targets still with a relatively high % of max health unless it's either A, lategame, where he's supposed to be hypercarry status, or B, they're squishy. His ultimate is also spellshieldable/blockable otherwise

LovelleOct 18, 20161 votes

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Tanks should never be hit by a full rotation without a third interfering factor. Nor should anyone else. To land his W, his enemies need to be stunned by his E (unless they're actually garbage), which has a cast-indicator of its area as well as a delay, and is cleanse-able. His Q is a skillshot. And his R will not kill targets still with a relatively high % of max health unless it's either A, lategame, where he's supposed to be hypercarry status, or B, they're squishy. His ultimate is also spellshieldable/blockable otherwise

The only thing I don't like about him is how I have to fully charge my Decimating Smash (Q) in order to get a 2 second stun, while all Veigar has to do is press one button from range. It's even less telegraphed. For such a strong ability, it just seems really easy to use. That's all that bothers me about him really.

AstôlfoOct 18, 20161 votes

Veigar also doesn't have any other CC in his kit, Sion has a slow/knockup on his Q if he ends it early still, a slow on his E, and I forget if he has one on his W explosion, as well as his ultimate. Sion is also far more tankier and durable in health and resistances, and doesn't have to land his abilities with the risk of being useless otherwise. He can still attack in near melee or force zoning with Q or soak up damage/provide CC otherwise.

Veigar only has killing potential if he either lands his stun or ults a low health target (without considering other outside factors), and otherwise, his E is a good zoning tool, but that's about it.

And to be fair, Sion's entire conic Q hitbox knocks up. Only the line of Veigar's cage itself stuns, meaning you can stay inside or outside without being stunned as long as you don't touch the edge. Stuns can be QSS'd, knockups can't.

LovelleOct 18, 20161 votes

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Veigar also doesn't have any other CC in his kit, Sion has a slow/knockup on his Q if he ends it early still, a slow on his E, and I forget if he has one on his W explosion, as well as his ultimate. Sion is also far more tankier and durable in health and resistances, and doesn't have to land his abilities with the risk of being useless otherwise. He can still attack in near melee or force zoning with Q or soak up damage/provide CC otherwise.

Veigar only has killing potential if he either lands his stun or ults a low health target (without considering other outside factors), and otherwise, his E is a good zoning tool, but that's about it.

And to be fair, Sion's entire conic Q hitbox knocks up. Only the line of Veigar's cage itself stuns, meaning you can stay inside or outside without being stunned as long as you don't touch the edge. Stuns can be QSS'd, knockups can't.

If you don't land your skills with Sion, you will be useless and explode (unless it's super late game). All of his abilities are quite easy to miss against good players (they'll just dance around you while spamming /laugh). Sion isn't naturally tanky at all, which is made up for by his infinite scaling. His W doesn't slow unless he has Rylai's for some reason. It's such a good item right now that you could definitely fit one in his build, without breaking coherence.

Never knew that you had to be at the edge in order for Event Horizon to stun you. I have learned today.

AstôlfoOct 18, 20161 votes

I meant Sion is tanky in the sense he goes full tank usually, and will be far more durable than someone like Veigar.

And yes, only the edge ring of Event Horizon stuns.

LovelleOct 18, 20161 votes

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I meant Sion is tanky in the sense he goes full tank usually, and will be far more durable than someone like Veigar.

And yes, only the edge ring of Event Horizon stuns.

He'll be far more durable than Veigar sure, but to make up for that his tower damage and kill-potential is very low, even among other tanks. Unless you're playing against a bunch of potatoes, Sion is very dependent on his team to do damage and follow up on his plays. You can go full damage on him, but he's no Alistar, Maokai, Gragas, or Leona, he'll blow up due to lack of defensive steroids.

paperbIadeOct 17, 20161 votes

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he hits harder though, meaning that tank stats get less effective the more AP he gathers

I love Veigar but his ability to kill tanks in one rotation late game is pretty ridiculous

Don't let him get to late game then?

ElishevaOct 17, 20161 votes

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Incorrect. He does not gain any new abilities/lose any weaknesses/magically gain faster abilities.

Infinite scaling masks his weakness. Not fun being 1 shot by a veigar ult on a mag resist/hp maokai, while ulting.

AstôlfoOct 17, 20161 votes

No, it doesn't. His weaknesses are lack of mobility, lack of any health (because he doesn't build any health, resistances, or protection items except for a Zhonya's at the most usually), the extremely heavy reliance on landing his E to actually burst anyone, and needing to stack till late/actually even get to lategame. And what you described is flat-out impossible, but congratulations on the exaggerations I guess.

ElishevaOct 17, 20161 votes

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No, it doesn't. His weaknesses are lack of mobility, lack of any health (because he doesn't build any health, resistances, or protection items except for a Zhonya's at the most usually), the extremely heavy reliance on landing his E to actually burst anyone, and needing to stack till late/actually even get to lategame. And what you described is flat-out impossible, but congratulations on the exaggerations I guess.

If you fight someone who is actually skilled on veigar, it requires very little effort to land any of his skills. Also... If you think that is impossible you must either be new, or just inexperienced.

AstôlfoOct 17, 20161 votes

Uh no, if someone is extremely skilled at a champion, that means they put in said extreme amount of effort to learn the champion so they can land said skills better. However, the converse is true. You can also learn to avoid said abilities equally well. And QSS/cleanse ability will cleanse the stun before his W lands, meaning you shouldn't be hit by his W in the first place, which removes the majority of the burst. So unless it's extremely lategame, where his Q and R can kill you, that shouldn't be an issue.

In said lategame, you should have significant MR or circumvent him in the first place and let someone who can take care of him or otherwise essentially break through otherwise first do that. For instance, have an assassin just kill on him and insta-gib him or flank and kill, etc. Or alternatively, have the tankier players engage first so Veigar is forced to use the stun and his abilities or alternatively back out of range, meaning you will no longer be in a threat range for his Q/W cast/hit range.

Spellshields like Banshee's are a thing too.

YoobaOct 18, 20161 votes

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He is not even slightly broken. Learn to play against him.

Learn to climb out of bronze 4 in 2016

AstôlfoOct 18, 20161 votes

Learn to stop crying in 2016

KeepeOct 17, 20162 votes

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

He is broken, but not for the reason you are whining about.

His ultimate is a Targeted Execute, true. So is Garen's. Which deals true damage in certain situations.

The problem with Veigar rests in Riot deciding that Veigar deserved AP for hitting a champion with a spell. Period.

That passive is idiotic and needs to be either reverted or switched to something new.

Hell, switching it out with something similar to Darius' armor shred passive, (Progressive Scaling Magic Pen) would be less broken then what he has now.

In short, with the mage update handing him Ability Power instead of working for it, rewarding Veigar for going for POKE instead of FARM, an institution in place since the dawn of LoL, Veigar has become problematic. Do not get me wrong, though, I LOVE Veigar. I have played him since I started LoL. But as he is, it is just removing his weaknesses one at a time because Riot does not, regrettably, know what they're doing. And because of their choice, it is only a matter of time before the Tiny Master of Evil THAT I LOVE SO MUCH is gutted. And that makes me sick.

Fix his current passive, and Veigar will return to balance. (And that INCLUDES putting Takedown AP back into his Q.)

That's all there is to it.