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Malzahar requires no skill...

Stephenizgod··4 votes·1,858 views

...said a Katarina to me. Im not quite sure what made him think Malzahar requires no skill but im assuming im just too good.

I think it takes considerable skill to land those Q's on a champ as mobile as Katarina. I think it takes considerable skill to farm with your E just enough to keep your mana up, but not push your lane (he is so easy to gank). Sure his Ult is a suppress but Katarina's ult is way stronger and more annoying and can hit multiple targets...

I think they didnt know how the Q is a skillshot with a delay, making it difficult to land in the heat of battle. Malz's ult does surprisingly little damage just by itself, meaning you need to hit them with a Q (specially someone like Kat) then W and R, hopefully you got your E in there at some point. The only thing Kat needs to do is hit E. Im not saying Kat requires no skill, im saying Malz does require some skill beyond hitting R.

I took it somewhat as a compliment though, apparently im so good with Top Malz, i make it seem effortless and that no skill is required.

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Stephenizgod3 votes

Also Voidlings... people tend to underestimate the voidlings... never underestimate the voidlings... At level 5 Malz can solo dragon with his voidlings... Voidlings will wreck a turret faster then you can blink... I want Snow Day Malzahar...

Tannhäuser Gate1 votes

summoner 31 Malzahar summoner 30

here you go

Stephenizgod1 votes

Haha YAAAAY!!

DarthSpectrum2 votes

You will be surprised how many champions revolves around landing difficult skill shots. Mal's Q isn't that much of a challenge since it can pass through minions.

However, the difference between the skill requirement of Mal and Kat is still worlds apart. Katarina just need fast clicking to pull of her comobs. She does not need to watch her mana, and her CDs are extremely short.

Overall, Malzahar simply counters Katarina. She is an ability dependent, melee champion - possibly the worst archetype to play against a champion with a suppression nuke and high damage melee minions.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yea i know there are harder skillshots to land, but what im saying is it is not easy to consistently land those Q's. Well i do it because i know its delay and i know how most people react when they see me going on the attack, but for someone not accustomed to Malz will have trouble landing it.

I wouldnt say Malz counters Kat so much as he just doesnt struggle against her. She can easily easily outplay him but for the most part Malz has nothing to fear. His Ult doesnt do that much damage actually, it says it does a ton of damage but for some reason it has low damage output. It shines when you have your the pool under then, then you melt people. Without the pool they need to be already very very low to kill them with just the ult. The voidlings only do high damage if you go AD, but you can have multiples of them and they attack fast :D.

7ha7guy7771 votes

i find it a little weird that his ult doesn't seem to do much even though it has a 1.3 ap ratio. then again, i normally don't get more than 600 ap as him because i like building him with quite a bit of hp item 3027 item 3020 item 3089 item 3116 (if they have some tanky champions item 3151 ) and the rest is situational

Stephenizgod1 votes

hehe it seems me and you always have a conversation about Malz :)

My normal core build is actually:
item 3151 item 3020 item 3089 item 3128 (have you ever DFG, W, R an opponent? haha so much fun)

Although if i am not completely wrecking face i build item 3027 first and item 3157 instead of DFG.

7ha7guy7771 votes

i tend to avoid dfg and zhonya's because i ALWAYS forget the actives. i will use zhonya's against zed simply because the extra armor doesn't hurt. i'm a big malz fan (those ratios and bases) and i was debating becoming a malz main to justify buying snow day malz. the TU makes me want to buy the skin to justify playing malz at all. he benefits so much from dragon and baron and can solo drag with minimal damage taken with just golem buff and RoA when building ap. his ability to function while building AD is also nice. the fact that he can essentially play any role makes him worth buying a skin for imo because if you're going to buy a skin, you'd better be using that champion often.

Stephenizgod1 votes

I mained support before i played any other role so i learned early on to use actives (i still forget sometimes haha). Its really only meant for when you are ahead though. I started getting DFG because i was sick of Malzs ult being so weak, idk how it is so weak with its high base AND scaling. DFG Ult and Ignite is usually enough to kill someone though, if not throw on a E as they run for their lives haha.

I own all but Shadow Prince Malzahar, want nothing to do with it... I also dont own Snow Day but im considering buying it XD. Malz is super fun in all lanes, jungle is iffy, my favorite is Top though. 90% of the time its a melee person with little to no gap closer, perfect prey for the Void Prophet.

Personally though i think Malz needs a slight buff, and definitely some QoL changes. Unlike Katarina, who does a ton of damage regardless of how quickly you interrupt her ult, Malz does almost no damage with just his ult and if you interrupt it, he is useless until it is back.
Katarina's does more damage to a single target then Malz's and it can hit multiple people, then there is her resets and mobility.

Fizz's ult does a ton of damage, has a knockup, can hit multiple targets, long range, and with his mobility almost entirely impossible for him to miss (if he is good).

Syndra's just does a crapton of damage, targeted, and since she has stun it is impossible to stop it if she gets you...

Lux is super long range, does a ton of instant damage, and can hit multiple people.

Orianna's does a whole lot more damage then Malzs, can hit multiple people, pulls them towards the ball, and can be set up on another champion to set up awesome combos.

Brands will bounce to multiple people mulitple times dealing a shocking amount of damage, plus activates his passive which then can play off his abilities should anyone survive.

Why is Malz ult so weak when you have all these little to no counter play ults (other then dont get hit), sure it has a suppress but it also suppress Malz, meaning he is super vulnerable. Plus whenever you ult someone most of the time your team will jump on them while their team jumps on you, instead of your team leaving that kill to you and jumping on the remaining opponents...

TekronT1621 votes

Yeah, Malz is pretty challenging to play. DoT can be potent, but it's not enough burst to end fights before the enemy can respond (that's the kind of thing Katarina gets!). And the delay on Q can be downright obnoxious. But Malz is a great champ nonetheless.

Stephenizgod1 votes

At first i would never hit the Q and relied solely on the E for damage. Now i hit it way more often and even if i miss it is never wasted mana for me. Judge your opponent, how do they react when they notice me coming at them, if they tend to run when they see me use abilities then put the Q behind them slightly and 8 out of 10 times they will run into it lol. If they are aggressive when they see me go on the offensive then i put it slightly in front of them. They will either run into it or back away either way it works out. If they have a insta gap closer (like Kat) i put it on me or where i know they will land.

This is part of what makes Malzahar so much fun for me, its like a little game for me (similar to Draven catching axes). When done correctly it is so fun to watch them try to attack you only to realize they are silenced and now in range of my W+R+Ignite insta-melt combo >:D.

Papa Slothy1 votes

he doesn't require any skill to be an advantage to his teammates late game but he does take skill to be good w him

Stephenizgod1 votes

Hit a Q and/or R, if your team is good they are going to do something with it, if they are bad you wasted mana and/or are dead. This can be said about anyone though with ranged poke/CC right? I mean hitting abilities doesn't necessarily require skill if your teammates are good enough to back you up. Besides his early-mid game is where he requires the least amount of skill, literally hit QWER and you killed your lane opponent (as long as you don't get ganked). Late game is where Malzahar requires a ton of skill, if you aren't fed, otherwise you are a walking kill.

Papa Slothy1 votes

that's what I meant :p

ur ult can be game changing considering how easy it is to pull off but if anyone has a qss u gotta b ready for that

I would say he is less mechanical skill and more game knowledge and strategy

Stephenizgod1 votes

I'd say the same for late game, but early game he has a little mechanical skill. You need to hit your Q and you need to control the wave with his E which requires you to use his crappy auto attacks. You also need to control voidlings or they will also push the lane. Overall though his kit is incredibly simple, most of being good with him comes from knowledge and strategy, like you said.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

My very first game of Malz was against a Katarina and I got to be honest you're over selling that lane a little bit. Even though its was my first game and I had zero experience on him or in that match up I still won it easily.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Malzahar vs Katarina is easy for the Malzahar, just hit R. The point was you got to hit your Q's which is a delayed skillshot and you need to control the wave with your E to regain mana without pushing. Thats more than she needs to do, all she needs to do is hit buttons and click on you. Besides perhaps it was just a bad Katarina?

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