Lying

The Ecdysiast·Sep 15, 2015·4 votes·547 views

I'm confused about this: When someone queues up as support only to find a match faster, but in fact builds a Doran Ring to start, buys no wards, and builds pure damage instead: What report does that go under?

That is to say, the person builds pure to the mage or assassin role, which is a different role entirely. You can't say you're a support if you fit into assassin or mage with your build. It's not okay to lie about your role in the Team Builder lobby.

EDIT: The reason I say this is because the role is not decided by the champion, it's decided by the build. If I click Tank and pick shen: Yes, Shen is supposed to be a tank. It's a lie, however, if I build six Rabadon's.

11 Comments

RyzeReworkSep 15, 20151 votes

There's no such rule in the book that says supports can't can't cs build damanage and have to put wards down as stupid as it sounds the support role and how it function is made up by us the players not riot unless somone feeds or is toxic or afk u can't report them rightfully

The EcdysiastSep 15, 20151 votes

"Supports defer some of their own power to augment their allies. They often assist their teammates by healing an ally or increasing the ally's damage, but can also create combat opportunities for a team through strong control abilities. A Skilled support can give a team the edge it needs to claim victory."

That's what Riot calls a support

That is drastically different from the descriptions of the assassin or mage roles, hence the different builds.

If a person is building nothing but damage, they are either an assassin or a mage. They cannot claim to be a support, since it's a different role entirely and requires different items and playstyles. You don't take CS as a support because that is not supporting your ally in any way whatsoever. (Unless you bought Relic, but then you have your income item and this isn't a problem.)

Agent2090Sep 15, 20152 votes

Nothing in that quote says that supports can't build damage. Simply that supports' abilities are more geared towards assisting their allies in some way.

The EcdysiastSep 15, 20151 votes

It may not say they can't.

However, you are not a support if you ARE a mage or assassin. It's an outright lie.

What you're thinking is that "support" and "the bot laner who isn't the ADC" mean the same thing, which they don't.

Reaper SorakaSep 15, 20151 votes

Just don't accept non-support champions in the support role in teambuilder. It's less likely for a sona/raka/janna/etc to build damage than Lux/Leblanc/zed/etc

The EcdysiastSep 15, 20151 votes

Karma Lux Annie Orianna Sona All good supports. All good mages.

The issue arises when the one who claims to be a support builds completely mage. I'm not sure if that falls under refusing to communicate.

I would never accept a LeBlanc, Zed, Katarina, Teemo, Talon, Master Yi, etc. They simply don't have the kits to be supports. It's only a problem with the mage supports.

Mister MackeySep 15, 20151 votes

Riot doesn't "support" any kind of meta so the say. So maybe he wanted to go assassin/mage + marksmen bot lane?

The EcdysiastSep 15, 20152 votes

That is completely fine: **IF THEY QUEUE UP AS ASSASSIN/MAGE. **

It's NOT okay to queue up as something you aren't going to be playing, at least not without explaining, "I'm gonna build pure damage, I only clicked support because I want the support icon even though I don't play support."

If I queued as Tank Shen, then my team loses because I built item 3153 item 3146 item 3046 item 3508 item 3117 , I should be punished for lying that I was playing tank.

RyzeReworkSep 15, 20151 votes

and theres no rule claming a support has to build supportive items just like how fizz is a ap assassin but can build ad fizz or how u can have a fighter fizz a tank fizz a jungle fizz, what im saying is unless they play thresh and built full ap or built like an adc theres not much you can say that can make them in trouble but mage supports is a real thing that build damange and i dont see allot of supports in sliver putting down wards either but i dont make a qq thread about it

The EcdysiastSep 16, 20151 votes

They do build damage. However, they are considered a MAGE, not a mage SUPPORT, if they build absolutely nothing different from the build they would have if they were going into a solo lane.

That's the problem I'm talking about. Even if you're Lux, Karam, or Morgana, if you queued up as Support and built their Mage build instead of any items that could be considered supportive, you lied. You CAN QUEUE UP AS MAGE. That's why you SHOULD NOT put support if you don't play on playing that way.

There is a rule against lying in the queue, it's under refusing to communicate the fact you're not actually a support, but a mage instead. You may not have to build both a sightstone and a spellthief, but if your build at 20 minutes looks like you're a mid-laner who's feeding because you have no income item, you're NOT a support, and you're not supporting the team in any way. You're a mage who's behind on gold and there's no argument you can make against that, since your build is that of a mage who's behind on gold and not a support.

Final point: If you play FIZZ. You queue up as WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD. If you put Assassin, you're building damage items. You are not building Sunfire, Deadman's, Visage, and Zz'rot, Runaan's hurricane, and Banner of command. Those are not damage items. You seem to be under the impression that building AD when your champ scales AP is what I mean. It's not at all. The role you pick is decided by the items you build, not the champion you pick.

If you want to build Assassin Leona, that's all well and good but don't put Tank, since you won't be building tank items.