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Should I be duo-queuing ranked?

ValyrianBlade··1 votes·657 views

Game after game I typically am the most fed player on the map, or a close second. Game after game, no one else on my team can get anywhere close to matching the two best players on the enemy team.

I'm far below a 50% win rate. I consistently get excellent K/D/As, often have more than 100 more farm than anyone else on the map if I'm adc (and if I'm jungle typically have a high gank success rate), I focus objectives over kills most of the time (admittedly I've made mistakes chasing a few times), and overall feel like the way I'm playing and the fact that I'm fed in the large majority of my games should result in a win rate of about as much above 50% as I am actually below 50%.

I'm attributing it to luck. My sample size is incredibly small, we're talking like 30 games, 10 of which were placements that I went 8-2 in (yes, despite an 8-2 start and 30 games total I'm well below 50% win rate). I figure it's mostly bad luck that the good top/mid seems to always be on the enemy team and that as adc/jungle the enemy top/mid who gets fed can beat me if I'm equally fed. I know I make mistakes, I know I miss skillshots and don't always make the perfect decision, etc... but I think overall I'm better than the elo I'm at. I figure eventually it should even out and those tops and mids should end up on my team and I should go on winning streaks similar to the losing streaks I get on.

I'm not asking for a duo-partner here. I'm just wondering - is duo-queue the logical choice to break this kind of funk? Get a top/mid main who consistently gets leads as well, and share the burden of carrying? I'm hesitant because duo-queue artificially raises your MMR for matchmaking and I already am consistently matched against enemies that are better than my allies (if I duo will the difference be even worse in the remaining lane?).

9 Comments

Serevas1 votes

Actually an artificial MMR bump isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The MMR of the games you play in increase, so theoretically in addition to getting better skilled opponents, you should also get increasingly more skilled teammates. Again that's entirely theoretical, but it's the way it should work.

I'm personally a fan of the duo system, especially since I'm in bronze, it just gives you a better chance of winning the game by making it so you have one less random that you may or may not be able to depend on to perform properly.

Tyren1 votes

I'm seeing a lot of talk about kda. How is your objective control?

ValyrianBlade1 votes

"I focus objectives over kills most of the time (admittedly I've made mistakes chasing a few times)"

Pretty much, early game dragons almost always go to my team (the result of winning bot lane hard). Typically also take the first turret bot, then rotate mid and take mid turret sometimes (however if the enemy mid is fed and/or enemy bot lane rotates with me, can't take it easily). Late game I always look to take objectives whenever possible. Just more often than not, the enemy team is the one getting picks or winning the teamfights and all I can do is try to defend a turret rather than take one.

My last game we took Baron fairly early, grouped as 5 mid, and got aced for only 1 kill in return (despite me having the most gold on Jinx). Enemy Braum ults me, Yi gets on me while knocked up, no peel, I'm dead before I can do much damage and my team gets wiped out without me there (meanwhile my team was Leona, Nautilus, Aatrox, and Fizz... literally all I needed is someone to stun Yi before he got in range to alpha strike me...).

I know there are definitely areas to improve my game, but I'm quite confident I'm above the elo I'm in. So I'm not really asking for advice on how to be a better player (not that it isn't useful, just that I've read all of that advice 100 times over already and pretty much anything you can say I've already seen [again doesn't mean I've done it, just I know what needs to be worked on there - as someone in Silver I'm not going to be perfect though]) I just want to know if duo-queuing is a reasonable option or if it's better to just keep playing and eventually things will even out and I'll start winning more (assuming I'm correct in saying I'm better than my elo).

Tyren1 votes

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"I focus objectives over kills most of the time (admittedly I've made mistakes chasing a few times)"

Pretty much, early game dragons almost always go to my team (the result of winning bot lane hard). Typically also take the first turret bot, then rotate mid and take mid turret sometimes (however if the enemy mid is fed and/or enemy bot lane rotates with me, can't take it easily). Late game I always look to take objectives whenever possible. Just more often than not, the enemy team is the one getting picks or winning the teamfights and all I can do is try to defend a turret rather than take one.

My last game we took Baron fairly early, grouped as 5 mid, and got aced for only 1 kill in return (despite me having the most gold on Jinx). Enemy Braum ults me, Yi gets on me while knocked up, no peel, I'm dead before I can do much damage and my team gets wiped out without me there (meanwhile my team was Leona, Nautilus, Aatrox, and Fizz... literally all I needed is someone to stun Yi before he got in range to alpha strike me...).

I know there are definitely areas to improve my game, but I'm quite confident I'm above the elo I'm in. So I'm not really asking for advice on how to be a better player (not that it isn't useful, just that I've read all of that advice 100 times over already and pretty much anything you can say I've already seen [again doesn't mean I've done it, just I know what needs to be worked on there - as someone in Silver I'm not going to be perfect though]) I just want to know if duo-queuing is a reasonable option or if it's better to just keep playing and eventually things will even out and I'll start winning more (assuming I'm correct in saying I'm better than my elo).

Some team fights you just get deleted, not much can be done there. I'm also low elo, I see people not abusing Baron buff. I like to do the 1 top 3 mid 1 bot, having the champs with the most wave clear in the solo lanes and push them all out and take towers in all lanes. It's hard to get people not to play the ARAM style. I majority of the time with the 1 3 1 it confuses the other team because you are causing so much pressure that way.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

I agree, with an Aatrox and Fizz I feel like that's what we should have done... Naut and Leona should have provided enough peel for me to be safe in the middle lane even 3v5 (with how fed I was, had they peeled Yi and Ashe I could have killed both before dying myself). Meanwhile Aatrox and Fizz would have each taken an inhibitor in all likelihood.

To be completely honest, I had thought we would win the 5v5 since I was so fed. In previous fights they managed to get a stun on Yi and I deleted him before the stun expired. I stayed out of Ashe's range until then, and then deleted her afterwards. That particular fight just didn't work I guess (it started by fizz jumping over a wall because he thought he could get brand, so the rest of us have to run around and I think that's why Leona and Naut missed peeling for me as they were too occupied with following up on the initiation).

All that aside though - ignoring any individual play occurrences - do you think duo-queuing with a top/mid would be best for me? Or the traditional adc+supp duo (although I seem to be killing it with any random support I get, so I don't see how queuing up with a support will help much). Duo with a jungler and having him camp whichever seems weaker of top/mid could work too, except jungle is my next best role after ADC so I want to avoid that duo.

Tyren1 votes

{quoted}

I agree, with an Aatrox and Fizz I feel like that's what we should have done... Naut and Leona should have provided enough peel for me to be safe in the middle lane even 3v5 (with how fed I was, had they peeled Yi and Ashe I could have killed both before dying myself). Meanwhile Aatrox and Fizz would have each taken an inhibitor in all likelihood.

To be completely honest, I had thought we would win the 5v5 since I was so fed. In previous fights they managed to get a stun on Yi and I deleted him before the stun expired. I stayed out of Ashe's range until then, and then deleted her afterwards. That particular fight just didn't work I guess (it started by fizz jumping over a wall because he thought he could get brand, so the rest of us have to run around and I think that's why Leona and Naut missed peeling for me as they were too occupied with following up on the initiation).

All that aside though - ignoring any individual play occurrences - do you think duo-queuing with a top/mid would be best for me? Or the traditional adc+supp duo (although I seem to be killing it with any random support I get, so I don't see how queuing up with a support will help much). Duo with a jungler and having him camp whichever seems weaker of top/mid could work too, except jungle is my next best role after ADC so I want to avoid that duo.

I think having a duo partner that you trust will help. I'm not a adc main but believe that you should have followed the team and stay behind them. The fight could've ended better.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

I did follow. Problem is Fizz jumped the wall, Leona flashed it, and the other three had to run around. Naut went for the engage rather than peeling. Left me wide open :(

Eggstealer1 votes

Duo isn't good because when they leave you or you out rank them you will be alone again and drop to where to truly belong. solo queue is the only way to get the rank you actually deserve to be at in my opinion.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

The point is that where you "truly" belong is a bunch of bogus when you've played under 200 ranked games.

There are 10 players each game, you're 1 of 10 players. Even if you play well above your level consistently, there's always a pretty decent chance it won't be enough to make a difference. The probability of the best player excluding yourself ending up on the enemy team in 15/25 games is quite high (about 14.6%, more than 1/7). So there's a 1/7 chance that in 25 games you're simply going to have 15 games where the enemy team has a really good player (or your team has a really awful player would be 5% for 15/25 games, so combined about 20% chance of having very limited control and losing 15/25 because of bad luck).

So my point is, if you're certain (or even lets just say "want to believe" and if it happens you fall back you're proven wrong) you belong at a much higher elo, will duo queue get you there faster? e.g. in 100 games instead of 250 games.

FYI MATHS: Good player on enemy team: (25 choose 15) * (5/9)^15 * (4/9)^10 Bad player on your team: (25 choose 15) * (4/9)^15 * (5/9)^10

Note both are for exactly 15 games, once you add the probability of it occurring in 16, 17, 18, ... , all 25 games, it gets to be even more likely that you just have shitty luck in at least 15 of 25 games (resulting in a sub 40% win rate).

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