"It is so boring trying to get past the front line to assassinate carries."
Wait... so you don't like the meta because you actually have to play well in order to assassinate? Must suck not being able to press R on just anyone and get a kill.
Duffkitty36 votes
: There was a front line in front of the carry?
ChrisB56 votes
/was/
Tis a nice day5 votesUnfortunately the bad players have a tendency to move the oppsing frontline to your backline
BeerOfRoot48436 votesMe playing Blitzcrank in my early days: "But I pulled a guy! How are we losing?"
Tis a nice day7 votes I'M BLITZCRANK
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......I'M HELPING
ChrisB53 votes
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FIDDLE ULTED, DID I HELP!?
AMYS GRAVE2 voteshahahaha, i played blitz recently and as soon as my hook went out fiddle ulted into its path from an unwarded bush nearby. good times.
ChrisB51 votesTalk about bad timing hahaha. I've done worse, sadly. My ADC was running to me for safety... SO WHAT DO I DO?! I fucking GRABBED the guy chasing the ADC... But, I did knockup/ult, and the adc did get away safely. I almost fucked it up bad though lol.
Electro5223 votesI once pulled a Mundo into inhib turret range. It would have been a nice pick............... If the enemy team didn't use my pull as an initiation.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesHaha, I was once playing Janna and I had the bright idea to push blitz away with my ult before he could hook my adc. His hook landed just in time and I pushed them both back under his turret. The fade away pull.
Sinlaire5 votes
: Dunno. I didn't see anyone.
IcyPepper27 votesAssassins are supposed to do that in the first place. -_- If you can't sneak past the frontline to assassinate a carry... well damn, you're supposed to outplay the tank whose job is to keep you from doing that in the first place!
Tanks promote strategy over mechanics, and remind us how to counterbuild and position properly again. It's less dodging now and more forward thinking ("Is our adc strong enough to destroy their frontline? Do we need to force a teamfight? What objectives can we trade for?").
PoisonedPeace5 votesBut why think when you can....not think. (sarcasm)
I love tank meta :)
LeeDark2 votesWhy outplay your opponent when you can suck as a tank and still laugh off damage?
KaisadiIIa4 votesAssassins are supposed to do that in the first place. -_-
Assassins are supposed to deal with the front line in order to reach priority targets. Assassins are not supposed to just ignore the front line or even kill them if they were bothering too much.
IcyPepper15 votesAssassins are supposed to assassinate squishies, but avoid tanks. That's why they have high burst and mobility in the first place?
It's the adc's role to deal with the frontline, with their own frontline protecting them. Once you destroy the tank, the rest of the team is vulnerable.
Wheatloaf7 votesMeanwhile mages are off doing... honestly, whatever that particular mage was designed to do. They're a pretty diverse bunch.
Rew7113 votes
(sends out puffs of dust)
(takes puffs head on and retaliates with blades)
(comes to aid)
(stalls him with love)
(takes advantage in close range)
(feeds shark)
(sends spikes on floating enemy)
(throws a spear; spear is super effective)
(pops out of bush)
(makes him scared with scary toys)
(sends out spiders)
(avoids spiders and uses raw power)
(shrouds himself in darkness)
(kicks away darkness)
(tries to do something)
(takes down enemy)
Anybody else notice that champions that are used "frequently" are the ones with little mana usage, energy, or no mana? Like, is very strong up top and gets a lot of "compensation". Compared to all the others, 
is possibly the most balanced. 
can take down enemies with ease, for no mana. 's cougar form needs no mana, so she can regenerate mana easily without using it for her other 3 abilities. ... 
... ...
Tsunday2 votesMages are also pretty much assassins when it comes to teamfights too. Unless they are utility mages or something.
IcyPepper1 votesI think of them like a backline barrage. Not as much dps as the adc, but their burst helps like an assassin's, though it's more aoe than single-target. Sometimes. Really depends.
Orangesilk4 votesAssassins are meant to avoid tanks but Zed builds 
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He can either decide to either murder the tank because ALL of his items are 100% anti-tank, or just ignore the tank, sash away the CC and murder the squishy.
If Zeds base damages were reduced and his ratios increased, he wouldn't benefit so much from pen, would be forced to build burst in order to deal burst, and he would then become scared of tanks.
I mean compared to Talon, whose ratios force him to build one or more of: 
Which are more anti-squishy items.
AMYS GRAVE10 votesTanks just became viable with one or two strong outliers and suddenly all tanks are OP. Just because tanks can be played and aren't worthless doesn't mean that anything is broken. If anything the game is healthier now than any time in the past year at least.
Takhuan1 votesNO. There is no risk. The jungle is harder to invade, doesn't cost as much to loose exp in jungle. Can't go in with 5 potions anymore so the tankiness is everything when you go in otherwise you have to teleport back after red...
AMYS GRAVE6 votesThe risk is that while you are farming your brutalizer-building counterpart is ganking and getting your lanes fed. Yes tanks farm better, but they are more reliant on stable lanes who don't require as much assistance from their jungler. There is plenty of risk to the team, just not as much risk to the jungler. Lee Sin, Vi, Jarvain, RekSai, are all substantially better gankers than most tank junglers. Why would i want a jungler 20 cs up when i can have a 3-0 annie mid lane and a 4-1 jinx bot because of successful ganks?
iamthegoatofwar1 votesnaut's CC says hi.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesUntil naut gets some tank items he is at risk of being counterganked and will lose 2v2s pretty handily against a bruiser jungler. (depending on your respective laners of course)
blubabby1 votesHe's high risk high reward in that sense. You're meant to be really shy and avoid fights and keep track of where people are and who can counter gank you. It makes playing tank junglers (with few outliers) pretty difficult in that sense.
lB2kGRlc8y2 votesI think people bitch about the new meta cause a lot of the high risk low mobility champions are becoming playable again due to the reliable frontline and peeling. The people bitching are always assassin mains who were spoon fed by such champions and are infuriated that they cant derp up to them with no obstacles.
DeloricVI6 votes{quoted} Wait... so you don't like the meta because you actually have to play well in order to assassinate? Must suck not being able to press R on just anyone and get a kill.
'Sup?
Davy Crockett2 votesMy new favorite comeback.
Memejerdomo4 votesI'm not going to lie and say that I love the tank meta, but it's just a shift. I'll change my champ roster up a little bit, and find new fun things that worked. I do like seeing mages in top lane. I've been playing top 
and 
for a while now.
Takhuan4 votesI hate this meta because a sejuani or amumu will deal more damage in the game than anyone else while sitting on the front line taking more damage than anyone else...
Thats a Bingo3 votesWell, seems like Sejuani carried hard.
disregardable2 votesI've hated tanks and bruisers since season 5 started, not just since 5.5. ADCs are supposed to counter them, but I can't even 1v1 them. I just get 3 shot.
insaiyanbacca10 votesactually no tanks are meant to counter adc's they are what forces an adc to actually position well and think about what they do instead of just mowing down whoever happens to be in their range
disregardable1 votesThen what do ADCs counter? They get wrecked by assassins, outranged by mages, destroyed by bruisers, and they can't even outsustain tanks. They get to kill the squishy support? Fantastic, all of the above can also do that.
Honestly, it seems more effective to just bring a melee carry top and a mage bot lane.
CubedJustice12 votesADCs aren't meant to counter anything, and they never have been. The only thing they've been meant to counter is everybody's health bar in a sustained fashion. They're like the artillery in a war. They aren't really meant to counter anything in particular, they just blow stuff up by positioning correctly and not dying.
RasCaelestis2 votesThis is probably the best description of an ADC that I've ever seen. It fits perfectly, and it's easily understood by anyone that knows even the most basic elements of military strategy/tactics.
IcyPepper1 votesbows down to the master
LeeDark4 votesStop talking. The Marksman is absolutely the counter to the tank. High sustained DPS is the only thing that takes a tank down. Seriously, you have nothing intelligent to contribute.
Tsunday4 votesADCs counter tanks, bruisers counter ADCs. The idea is that the bruiser will jump into you backline and screw you up (Vi is a good example of this) the tank is going to stay in their own frontline and stop you from passing. The tank shouldn't be in the enemy backline screwing the carry because that leaves their own carries defenseless.
The only time a tank really counters an ADC is when they get close to full build and decide thornmail sounds good so the ADC starts killing themselves.
jmaishere2 votesI hate this meta, and just metas in general as any off-meta pick I take, people flame me for "trolling"
Crate of Cobras4 votesYeah, um, probably because they want to win and a member of their team is directly hurting their chances of winning by ignoring conventions that are proven by years of play to be effective.
Have a bit of empathy, as you are likely instructing these people to. If somebody pours time and effort into learning something, they don't like having it shit on by some guy who blows in and takes the word of pros with a pinch of salt tossed carelessly in the wind.
You're spitting on their effort. You're the scum that shits on people until they quit, because you want the game to be League of Me.
jmaishere2 votes[{quoted}](name=Crate of Cobras,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=PV7HwTwv,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2015-04-10T01:50:05.304+0000)
Yeah, um, probably because they want to win and a member of their team is directly hurting their chances of winning by ignoring conventions that are proven by years of play to be effective.
Have a bit of empathy, as you are likely instructing these people to. If somebody pours time and effort into learning something, they don't like having it shit on by some guy who blows in and takes the word of pros with a pinch of salt tossed carelessly in the wind.
You're spitting on their effort. You're the scum that shits on people until they quit, because you want the game to be League of Me.
It's not like I haven't tested these builds out, and these are normals as well, if I pull this in a normal game and I do well in it, who are you to say "hurr durr everyone has to follow the pros"? I used to run AP yi way back in season 2 before people used him in pros and people would bitch about it because ap yi wasn't a popular pick, but popular doesn't mean ineffective. If you're going to call bullshit on someone's build do it after they fuck up their game and not before, when they're willing to play a position that they're unfamiliar with. It's people like you who make league not fun for others due to this insistence that everyone has to play like pros.
TenSlashTen1 votesmost people don't understand the diff between normals and ranked honestly. Normals fun ranked winning+ some fun No one wants to deal with some guy who's played under 200 games of their champion (first time XXXX) because they saw a new build. lol
jmaishere1 votesmost people don't understand the diff between normals and ranked honestly. Normals fun ranked winning+ some fun No one wants to deal with some guy who's played under 200 games of their champion (first time XXXX) because they saw a new build. lol
well that's why you should test it out in coop vs ai, but if i main a champ and want to run an atypical build in a lane that isn't the meta I should be free to do so in normals
TenSlashTen1 votesNo you can test out builds in normals thats what they're for. Testing out against other players to see how well or how bad it works. Most tests can be done over the course of 10-20 games. And taking your average for all those games. If you think its working then it's probably at least decent.
I Kill Commies2 votesI give the boards 1 more month until everyone gets bored of the tank meta and starts calling for nerfs to every tank. You people are impossible to please.
