"OMG! You were one step away from 3 Health Shrines!"

Trash MammaI·Mar 15, 2015·6 votes·652 views

OMG I DON'T CARE

That's the response my jinx gave me. Who later in the game told me Bard is a terrible support.

It's 100% official. After having the games I've had with Bard i'm certain that it's not Bard that's bad at all. It's the Adc's that are way too use to being baby'd to the point they don't have to do anything but right click a minion/champion.

They don't want to be the ones who have to do something to heal. They want you to put the heal on them. If there's a skillshot coming they don't want to dodge it. They want you to take the hit. If you're at blue buff picking up a chime and they die at the enemies tower (bypassing all the health shrines you set for them) you are responsible for their death and not them.

We can now rest easy knowing Bard isn't an issue in this game. Whiney ADC mains that aren't breast fed everything is the issue.

8 Comments

IcyPepperMar 15, 20151 votes

I remember that the meta, at one point, had the adc solo mid and the apc with the support go bot lane.

sighs

Like, I get it. It's hard to 1v2. But supports are supposed to roam mid and late-game, not spend 100% of their time in bot lane babysitting. This was before Bard, and now Bard is highlighting this issue.

And if my support is Bard, I'm not going to pick Jinx for crying out loud! I'd pick Caitlyn, or (if I had them) Ezreal or Corki.

Trash MammaIMar 15, 20151 votes

Jinx actually works really well with Bard. She can handle her lane by herself with good waveclear and has a kit that can help if she gets 1v2 tower dove. (esp with shrines near) Mine was just one of those adcs that isn't use to not having a raka/sona spam heal the second it's off cd on them.

Ezreal isn't too good. He gets bullied insanely easy because of his lack of waveclear. He can get poked out super fast

IcyPepperMar 15, 20152 votes

I was thinking mobility, tbh. To avoid them tower dives. But I suppose you have a point.

But yeah, it's kind of annoying. I tried using team builder for double jungle, and one adc who left said this: "Good luck finding an adc." It's like people can't play anything that isn't meta.

disregardableMar 15, 20151 votes

I had one bard that couldn't land any stuns, never engaged properly with his ult, didn't use the passage way once, didn't ward, and barely contributed to the team as a whole. The guy was clearly not a support main, but top and jg did well enough that it was an easy win. The guy then starts boasting about how great of a support he is. Obviously I called him out on that (hello, we're getting carried m8, you barely did anything), and you know what he says?

Referencing the one time I got 1v2'd bot lane (that I had not even mentioned): "You have to stand on the health circles moron. It's not my fault you're an idiot."

Like, really? That had nothing to do with how shit you are. Bard is actually a really good support, but like Thresh you need to utilize him properly. You don't just sit in the god damn bush when you play Thresh, and you don't just spend a third of the laning phase roaming when you play Bard.

Trash MammaIMar 15, 20151 votes

Actually, you do. That's how he was intended to be played. During laning phase around level 4 (which should be level 2 on healing shrines so they do a great amount of healing at that level) Then you leave to pick up chimes/help mid/help jungler/ and maybe make your way to top.

By time you finish doing all that your adc(IF THEY'RE PLAYING SMART) ran out of health shrines and needs help. THAT'S when you head back to lane. You stay there for a bit. Get a few more levels. Set some health shrines and repeat.

Now, if your adc is in a super aggressive lane like say cait/sona then yea. You stay longer and you help them out till they can manage themselves for a decent period of time, but if you're in a lane you can easily play safe and instead try to 1v2 then there's nothing I can do for you.

Bard isn't meant to stay in one lane babysitting one person. In other terms he's like a jungler but fills the support role. I remember somewhere Riot even stated Bard is a jungler which caught me off guard considering he's sh*t in the jungle. This is what made me think this is the route they're going.

I will be the first to admit some Bard players will ditch their adc at the worst times..but a lot of times both me and when I see an enemy bard leave at good moments then the adc goes full on retard and tries to 1v2.

Tl;Dr version would be Bard isn't a babysitter he wanders the map supporting everyone during laning NOT just the adc

disregardableMar 15, 20151 votes

Correction. You don't want to play like a traditional support. That's fine, it's not like the ADC can stop you. But the reality is that he is a really good support IN LANE, with decent harass and a reliable stun. I'd bet $10 that by next month absolutely no one would take "Bard should roam top before mid game" as anything more than laughable.

If you're going to compare him to a jungler, he is much closer to Fiddlesticks than to Udyr.

flibitydooMar 15, 20151 votes

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Actually, you do. That's how he was intended to be played. During laning phase around level 4 (which should be level 2 on healing shrines so they do a great amount of healing at that level) Then you leave to pick up chimes/help mid/help jungler/ and maybe make your way to top.

By time you finish doing all that your adc(IF THEY'RE PLAYING SMART) ran out of health shrines and needs help. THAT'S when you head back to lane. You stay there for a bit. Get a few more levels. Set some health shrines and repeat.

Now, if your adc is in a super aggressive lane like say cait/sona then yea. You stay longer and you help them out till they can manage themselves for a decent period of time, but if you're in a lane you can easily play safe and instead try to 1v2 then there's nothing I can do for you.

Bard isn't meant to stay in one lane babysitting one person. In other terms he's like a jungler but fills the support role. I remember somewhere Riot even stated Bard is a jungler which caught me off guard considering he's sh*t in the jungle. This is what made me think this is the route they're going.

I will be the first to admit some Bard players will ditch their adc at the worst times..but a lot of times both me and when I see an enemy bard leave at good moments then the adc goes full on retard and tries to 1v2.

Tl;Dr version would be Bard isn't a babysitter he wanders the map supporting everyone during laning NOT just the adc

Leaving behind health relics is not enough to help the ADC.

And leaving lane puts the adc at a huge disadvantage. What happens is the enemy support will now stand between the adc and the minions. They want to cs? They're going to get harassed (they might even get hooked/snared). They're going to get zoned. They're going fall behind on CS. And to every ADC, CS is the most important thing in the game for the first 25 minutes.

While Bard is all about roaming; roaming shouldn't be about done for the sake of roaming. When midlane roams, there is a purpose. They are going to kill someone in the sidelanes. Twisted Fate is going to push R and stun a guy. And that guy will die. There is a set plan and objective. Most Bards I see walk out of lane and do nothing. They don't make plays, they don't sneak into the enemy jungle and lay deepwards; what they do is wander about, pick up some chimes and let the enemy adc get a 30 cs advantage.

Chimes last for 10 minutes. At the 9-10 minute mark, everyone should be level 6 (unless they are really,really behind). Based on this fact, optimally, a Bard should start roaming at 6, which makes sense given the range of his ult. ADC in trouble? throw R from the river/jungle to save them. But if bard leaves lane pre-six, then all their doing is throwing bot lane away by removing support presence from bot lane.

Nunya BezwacksMar 15, 20151 votes

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OMG I DON'T CARE

That's the response my jinx gave me. Who later in the game told me Bard is a terrible support.

It's 100% official. After having the games I've had with Bard i'm certain that it's not Bard that's bad at all. It's the Adc's that are way too use to being baby'd to the point they don't have to do anything but right click a minion/champion.

They don't want to be the ones who have to do something to heal. They want you to put the heal on them. If there's a skillshot coming they don't want to dodge it. They want you to take the hit. If you're at blue buff picking up a chime and they die at the enemies tower (bypassing all the health shrines you set for them) you are responsible for their death and not them.

We can now rest easy knowing Bard isn't an issue in this game. Whiney ADC mains that aren't breast fed everything is the issue.

You say that like you actually do anything.even in the champion spotlight that was the biggest picture on the home fucking page he says never leave your ADC without a good reason and bard is a garbage support he is the king of the troll champions he can hand an escaping ally to the enemy by giving them a portal to them he can freeze allies in bad places to get them killed,he has the worst excuse in the game to leave you 2v1 that EVERYONE is using. If you could support worth anything you wouldn't choose bard and use a champion that does something