You don't need to be a shining beacon of goodness...

Kikirino·May 8, 2015·69 votes·2,061 views

Hell, you don't even have to be a good person in this game but can you at least not be an intentional breeding ground for pointless negativity. I really don't think that is asking too much.

21 Comments

SammystormMay 8, 201517 votes

You know the community is bad when posts that call people to this minimum of standards exist

Silents429May 8, 20153 votes

I disagree, Only time I ever notice the community is bad is when the community keeps yapping to me about how bad it is. Have yet to have firsthand experience to make me agree with them.

AnidanMay 8, 20155 votes

I have. My worst experience came from the first time I ever played Vayne some years ago.

Was told to uninstall, kill myself, and so on. Because y'know, being 2/5/(?) on a champion I've never played before (in a normal no less) makes me just so terrible that humanity would be better off without me. It made me both distrustful of people I don't know on this game (not in person), and not want to play Vayne.

Fast forward to now and only of those facts has changed from that horrid experience. Vayne is one of my favorite champions to play.

Space BumMay 8, 20151 votes

LOL! I've been playing since 2010. Been owning Rumble for a while now but only ever played him a couple times in ARAM and never did great with him.

The other day I was board and decided to try him on the Rift in a normal for the first time ever. Was vs a Hec that I would have called good even if I was on one of my Mains. I GOT DESTROYED! No one on my team was doing well but our ADC decided to flame the hell out of me. I don't get bent out of shape when I play a champ for the first time but man that ADC was losing their mind even after I explained it to her that it was my first time.

For real I was so bad in that game though. Love thwarting surrender votes when people get salty.

AnidanMay 9, 20152 votes

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Love thwarting surrender votes when people get salty.

With that combination of statement and summoner name, we were meant to be together. lol

SammystormMay 8, 20151 votes

It has gotten substantially better since riot started changing things in season 3. It has taken a brief relapse due to the tribunal being down.

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 8, 20151 votes

Maybe we play a different game from each other, but while I don't think the community is as bad as people say, I have certainly experienced members of the community who were assholes.

Maybe my opinion is wrong, But imo it is a game, and I play a game to have fun. I play ranked generally bc I like to have a goal, and there are definitely some games where it I didn't like the game as much as I do and not want my account banned I'd just say "you know what, you're a jerk and it's not fun to play with you. I can get the LP back later, I'm out." Props to you if you have never had this experience or just decided you don't want to play the game you are in bc team is yelling at each other, but I definitely have. It is a game, and when you make it not fun bc you blame your teammates for loss instead of focusing on your play, you are a shitty part of a community, and this community definitely has players like that in my experience.

Silents429May 9, 20151 votes

I actually think a fine example of our community being flawed or bad is when someone defending our community is actually downvoted for it.

Every community has its dark pit, I just don't think League of Legends is deserving of the label of having the worst community

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 9, 20151 votes

I definitely agree the community isn't as bad as the label it gets and is certainly far from the worst community. If that's what you mean I totally agree with you. However, your original post didn't give that impression if that's what you mean. It sounded like you were saying you have never experienced parts of the league community as being a shitty community, and that you were accusing the people complaining of being assholes for thinking anyone was bad. While that might not have been your intention, people are going to react really negatively when what they hear from you is that you are invalidating their experience of having negative players in their games and then telling them they are bad people for complaining that they they had someone make their game not enjoyable.

I'd argue it isn't so much the community being bad for down voting you, but rather that your first post read as if you were insulting the people who say they have experienced bad games, and they reacted pretty logically to that. I mean like I said, the community isn't nearly as bad as people say it is, but I definitely don't think that the reaction to your first post was part of that given how easily it could be misinterpreted (if this post is what you really mean in terms of yes, league has significant issues with sections of the community, but also has some really good aspects as well).

WhamBamBoozlerMay 8, 20156 votes

And yet....people have so much trouble with it.....

Occams RaiserMay 8, 20151 votes

asking of the internet might be. Its like piece on earth.Humans are inherently evil. give them anonymity and mob mentality, they are off to the races,

blueberrypancakeMay 8, 20151 votes

All people may be inherently evil (I don't know if you believe in original sin or nah)

But is hard to ask for slightly more kindness to your teammates

Who are also strangers...

Occams RaiserMay 8, 20151 votes

I'm not a believer. I understand the behavior but like accepting trolls on a periodic basis. It is the few great games that I get every now and then that help me to keep playing. When those games become to few and far between I will stop playing. I stopped after URF last year cause going back to regular play was just too boring.

I don't become one of the evil players because I expect one of them to be evil. I try to uplift with basic human decency. I don't become an asshole unless given a reason. What are you if evil is your default position?

slippykittenMay 8, 20151 votes

That would be fine if it were true, but the majority of the community needs to be coddled. If you even mention the slight possibility that someone made a mistake or that they could change tactics to win the game, they lose their minds.

The difference is this: You have the right to not be treated like crap but you do not have the right for everyone to treat you like a princess

there's a big difference there. So, you are right, but your opinion doesn't reflect the communities.

TulareMay 8, 20157 votes

Except this is an exaggeration as well. I've never experienced this phenomenon and I offer constructive criticism fairly frequently. My instinct is that people are not actually as gentle, kind, or constructive as they often imagine. I've observed a tendency in many players to pepper their dialogue with "omg" and "wtf". Those three little letters drastically alter the tone of a comment, though, and I don't think people even realize that they're doing it. There's also the problem of brevity. Being polite often comes at the cost of being quick. Consider the following:

mid ward pls
Mid, their jungler keeps sneaking in from the dragon side of the river. Try to keep that side warded.

The first communicates the general idea but it's curt and could also be seen as trite, since it doesn't communicate any understanding of the game situation - only a bland truism that vision wins games. The second communicates understanding, gives more specific advice, and implicitly conveys that the advisor thought the advice to mid was worth more than 12 characters of text, even in the heat of battle.

slippykittenMay 8, 20151 votes

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Except this is an exaggeration as well. I've never experienced this phenomenon and I offer constructive criticism fairly frequently. My instinct is that people are not actually as gentle, kind, or constructive as they often imagine. I've observed a tendency in many players to pepper their dialogue with "omg" and "wtf". Those three little letters drastically alter the tone of a comment, though, and I don't think people even realize that they're doing it. There's also the problem of brevity. Being polite often comes at the cost of being quick. Consider the following:

mid ward pls

Mid, their jungler keeps sneaking in from the dragon side of the river. Try to keep that side warded.

The first communicates the general idea but it's curt and could also be seen as trite, since it doesn't communicate any understanding of the game situation - only a bland truism that vision wins games. The second communicates understanding, gives more specific advice, and implicitly conveys that the advisor thought the advice to mid was worth more than 12 characters of text, even in the heat of battle.

Yes, you illustrated exactly my point. The first statement is a statement that makes a point without pandering to the persons self esteem in the least time possible so the game can progress without interference. The second wastes time to communicate the exact same info for the sole purpose of trying to make the person happier. If people weren't looking to be coddled, you would be able to just say what needs to happen without giving them a hug first.

TulareMay 8, 20154 votes

I disagree with your interpretation of what I said. One, I think that your definition of coddling and mine differ considerably. If you think that good manners are a waste of time, I think that's your problem, not the problem of those offended by your lack of manners. Two, the polite wording is only one third of the reason why the second example is better. As I noted, it ALSO communicates understanding and gives more specific advice. A player who is on tilt often cannot see the reason why his game is going so badly. A brief explanation provides context and specific advice provides guidance. You might argue that if the recipient of your advice were doing their job, they wouldn't need you to provide context and guidance. True as that might be, if that's your stance then you don't really care as much about winning as you claim, either.

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 9, 20151 votes

If you can communicate the point with less words you're right (ie pinging red and being like "ward 1:30 plz" when starting blue, pinging drag when and saying "ward for tp" when you're top lane), but if it doesn't communicate the point it's not that useful. If jungle asks mid to ward and they ward their lane but it doesn't protect against invade then that's useless and a couple extra words can help.

Additionally, and more importantly, I think the majority of the time the issue isn't those two for comparison. Ward plz w/ a ping is usually not objected to by anyone. OMFG can you learn to ward? or Jesus mid, ward lane and quit feeding, are generally how it is said in games that I see people reacted to poorly. I'd argue that Tulare's objection to your first post was probably that your complaint that people need coddling is similar wording to how most people who give "advice" that includes an explanation of how terrible the player is would use to justify their behavior. Now personally I'm fine w/ people being jerks in the game all they want, but they shouldn't complain when someone goes afk or starts trolling in a game when they have been insulting that person every time they give "advice." In those instances it's not that the person who leaves or screws around need thicker skin or is a wimp who needs coddling, it's just that this is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. When someone makes the game not fun for someone else, why should the person who isn't enjoying the game still play? If playing a game isn't fun and you still want to play, there's something wrong with your understanding of what a game is.

SoenMay 9, 20151 votes

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Except this is an exaggeration as well. I've never experienced this phenomenon and I offer constructive criticism fairly frequently. My instinct is that people are not actually as gentle, kind, or constructive as they often imagine. I've observed a tendency in many players to pepper their dialogue with "omg" and "wtf". Those three little letters drastically alter the tone of a comment, though, and I don't think people even realize that they're doing it. There's also the problem of brevity. Being polite often comes at the cost of being quick. Consider the following:

mid ward pls

Mid, their jungler keeps sneaking in from the dragon side of the river. Try to keep that side warded.

The first communicates the general idea but it's curt and could also be seen as trite, since it doesn't communicate any understanding of the game situation - only a bland truism that vision wins games. The second communicates understanding, gives more specific advice, and implicitly conveys that the advisor thought the advice to mid was worth more than 12 characters of text, even in the heat of battle.

Welp, time to exercise my typing skills

OrokiyamMay 9, 20151 votes

Yea the negativity in this community is terrible compared to pretty much every other games. It must be some kind of snowball effect like a guy comes in and is toxic to new players, new players become toxic to new players and it goes on and on. I think we need an intervention from Riot to make it stop (im talkin more than just the Report button that is easily abused, maybe the return of the tribunal?)