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Sometimes, sacrifices must be made.

Kikirino··110 votes·5,137 views

Was Malphite support after last pick forced me out of jungle and I wasn't up to duo jungling and screwing over our adc. To his credit though... he was an incredible jungle.

Post 6 I would ult the enemy team, they would blow everything on me, Kalista would ult me, they switch focus to our carries and I went right back in and died almost everytime.

Kalista : Lol. Why do you go in every time I save you? Malphite : Because landing 2 knockups on the enemy team and securing teamfights and objectives is worth one Malphite.

Or this instance... Enemy team catches top lane out and I am nearby. He is running but it is obvious he is not getting out alive so I ping him away as I ult into the enemy team and stall while he escapes and the rest of our team gets 2 towers because killing a tank Malphite is anything from instant.

Top: WTF? Me: You are on a killstreak. They can't get shutdown gold from me. Top: So stupid.

Or ulting dragon/baron pit and stealing without any means of escape.

I had a jungle steal dragon and get bitched at.

"Why the fuck would you die for dragon." "Because us having 3 dragons is better than having two to one."

Sometimes, making a sacrifice is the best option.

51 Comments

IcyPepper76 votes

You are a true hero.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/013/974/clap.gif

lightdragoon8851 votes

Like I always say.

"If my death allows my team to ace the entire team, I will gladly die in every fight."

The Blue Rajah3 votes

{quoted}

Like I always say.

"If my death allows my team to ace the entire team, I will gladly die in every fight."

That's a pretty long motto you got there bub

Knalxz7 votes

Whatever you say Wolverine.

lightdragoon881 votes

But it is true.

terkmc10 votes

Do you happen to playKarthus ?

Rew7112 votes

I sacrifice all the time. Soraka, and also she seems to counter Karthus's ultimate.

Sinister Snail1 votes

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I sacrifice all the time. Soraka, and also she seems to counter Karthus's ultimate.

It would seem that way, but Karthus usually ends up outscaling her pretty bad. Aside from the AP scalings, Karthus has mid lane (or jg, whatever floats your boat) XP and gold, whereas Soraka is stuck with what she can scrap together from supporting.

lightdragoon883 votes

Sometimes.

FastAsHeck1 votes

{quoted}

Do you happen to playKarthus ?

i happen to play karthus, and thats literally my motto ;)

CubedJustice2 votes

My motto is "Never, for any reason, do anything, to anybody, for any reason, no matter who you are, for any reason, or where you're going, or where you've been, do anything to anything, for any reason, that they wouldn't like."

Tribbles Foxfolk1 votes

{quoted}

My motto is "Never, for any reason, do anything, to anybody, for any reason, no matter who you are, for any reason, or where you're going, or where you've been, do anything to anything, for any reason, that they wouldn't like."

That's a complicated motto. :P Still, that's some philosophical shit and I like it.

Risurin17 votes

as long as you die to secure objectives/teamfights for your team.

500000000000000012 votes

All those sound like good decisions. Why would they flame you?

Vicvictorw37 votes

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All those sound like good decisions. Why would they flame you?

Bronze logic. They're not looking at the bigger picture and think that KDA is the only measure of a players' worth.

DeusVult15 votes

bronze and most of silver, heck even some of gold don't understand the true purpose of a tank

they just see that you are 2/8/21 and go, 2-8 insert tank champ here wtf, so trash

meanwhile you locking down the enemy team in teamfights so your team can win IS what is carrying your team. those 21 assists mean everything

but to most low elo people, its not "KDA" its KD

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Eh, general rule of thumb: 1 assist is worth 1/10 of a death. XD [/joke]

Kikirino4 votes

I had someone tell me that the ONLY thing that matters, win or lose, is a positive KDA. Even if you win if you have a negative KDA you are trash but if your team loses but you have a positive KDA you are better than everyone else.

If you have a positive KDA you are supposed to give kills to everyone else so they too can be positive... My mind was blown.

Rakvir1 votes

When I first hit 30, I was told this a lot. I hate this black & white perspective for the first half but I thoroughly agree with the latter. If your ADC and APC are full build, including boot enchants/trinket/plenty of spare gold for elixir spam, but continue to snipe killing blows from top and jungler (and even the odd support, should the match-up be favourable and/or they are a bit more behind than enemy support than usual), that is throwing gold away just for being a glory hog and a temporary ego boost as opposed to securing a victory.

Even worse when they won't even let their teammates catch up to even get assist gold if they themselves can't secure a killing blow. Too many times I end up with almost no assists as a support because my team wouldn't wait 10-15 seconds for me before going all-in. At least let me get close enough to catch some EXPERIENCE from the dang kill if I can't buff someone or otherwise contribute to the skirmish!

Baron of Bread1 votes

At least that last bit is true, helps to spread the gold around so if you die your team can still keep going.

TheRainInSpain2 votes

Yep. I absolutely lack AP mid laners, so I threw down the one I knew wasn't going to get ... hard ... countered, Azir. Now I'm a horrible Azir. I do however know my two other main mid laners, Fiddle and Kennen, were both already hard countered because of range issues. I went very bad that game, like 14 deaths and 6 kills. Entire team raged at me for being bad. We were also down twenty kills.

However, as late game came around and I was able to build bulk (Sunfire, Randuin, Spirit Visage, Rylai, Hourglass), the enemy still identified me as the biggest threat. So they would focus me and I would die. But at the same time two or three enemies would go down for my death. Late game came, they all jumped on me and got Aced, and we pushed to win.

revliledpembroke8 votes

This all the time when I am support Leona or Braum. And then the idiots decide to reengage because I'm going in. IT'S A HEROIC SACRIFICE GTFO OF HERE!!!!!!

The Tilted King2 votes

THIS HAPPENS TO ME SOOO MUCH!

runs in to team sword overhead AVEEEEEENGE MEEEE n-no you IDIOTS RUN AWAAAAY *pentakill WHYYY!!!

I think its cause its solo que really. which is why I looove bein in skype calls "hey man, ima charge in there and peel with my life. (the ultimate peel btw)" "I gotchu"

The Blue Rajah3 votes

{quoted}

THIS HAPPENS TO ME SOOO MUCH!

runs in to team sword overhead AVEEEEEENGE MEEEE n-no you IDIOTS RUN AWAAAAY *pentakill WHYYY!!!

I think its cause its solo que really. which is why I looove bein in skype calls "hey man, ima charge in there and peel with my life. (the ultimate peel btw)" "I gotchu"

Do you somehow insert parenthetical statements into your voice chat?

Impressive.

The Tilted King2 votes

i do. its a gift. idek

Varadho2 votes

This is why we kinda need a "Don't follow me"/"Don't go there" - Ping Because a lot of people usually don't care about your typical Back-Off-Ping.

Torix8 votes

From the lol wiki:

Tanks:Champions with extremely high defense, health, and crowd control abilities, but low attack damage or poor ability power scaling. Tanks are usually champions that combine high amounts of health, armor, and magic resistance. If left alone, tanks are able to absorb high amounts of damage or create disables on their foes, which make them great harassers as well. In battle, this type of champion is usually expected to start/initiate (or at least be in the front of) the team fight; soaking up damage, and helping focus certain enemies (Marksman and Mage champions). Due to their low damage output, they must rely on their Assassin, Marksman, Fighter, and Mage champions to finish the enemy off or chase them down when they initially weakened them. As a result, Tanks are not expected to gain high kills but more assists. Tank champions should be able to initiate teamfights and CC the enemy team since they are generally the frontline. They are also meant to be a protector of the team, and must be willing to sacrifice themselves for vulnerable allies if necessary.

junglerboy167 votes

The thing they were probably upset about is they would prefer nobody died. You definitely made the right choice in those situations, but they all would have liked it much more if by some divine intervention you never died whenever you saved your team like that, no matter how unrealistic that goal is.

I've had similar situations as Taric before, like canceling my back to stun their 16 and 4 Alkali so my team could back safely. My ADC was like "seriously? wtf are you doing feeder!" "I'm making sure they only got me since I'm expendable, you're not". People never look at the situation from the perspective of how bad it could have been, but how much better it might have been, and that makes sacrifice like yours go strangely undervalued.

2pudge1cup6 votes

That's very big of you to admit the jungler was incredible.

wetPP3 votes

Yea I have been reported quite often for saving teammates like this and making sure we win the game (and riot punished me for it, though they never punished the guy who said he was going to murder me)

anyway, yea almost every time I save 1 or more people but die I get yelled at and reported for feeding. Sometimes I don't even die and the one I saved still feels the need to tell me what a dumb shit I am for going in like I did. I often wonder if only stupid people play this game.

IziMytTJd72 votes

I've never seen an instance when the jungler dies to get dragon and is not hailed as a god.

theragingnerd1 votes

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I've never seen an instance when the jungler dies to get dragon and is not hailed as a god.

i got it as a sona by flashing over wall and poqer q with lich baneing it the enemy jungler didn't realize i was ap

The Tilted King1 votes

I have been that jungler and been flamed for it. true story

Undertows2 votes

If anyones death gives the rest of the team any kind of advantage above and beyond that death then it was well worth it. ALWAYS.

ZACKandATTACK2 votes

I agree with all of your sacrifices except for the dragon one. Unless it is for yours or theirs Dragon 5 or Baron then Objective steals really aren't worth it.

Occams Raiser1 votes

arrow up. Most people can't even capitalize off the the dragon buffs. I don't even notice them. I think Riot put them in the game to spice things up and it did. Its spicy cause it gives dunder heads something to fight over. I do notice DRAG 5, don't get me wrong. If you have a game where you think drag is how you lost it. I think you are probably wrong. It was the vision same as always.

Rengar Top Lane1 votes

As Rengar, I make sacrifices sometimes/succumb to the "Rengar syndrome" and dive that adc in the middle/back. Only will do this if team can win a 4v4 without me, when the enemy team does not have an adc.

Gati1 votes

I just hate it when they flame me for it.. Yea I died, but I also saved the whole team

Vistha Kai1 votes

It's why I always splitpush when our teamcomp is so unfit for teamfights. But team will flame me, because we should get aced in a 5v5 and lose the game at 20, instead of trying to get any objectives and win at 40.

PhoenixOfHeaven1 votes

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Was Malphite support after last pick forced me out of jungle and I wasn't up to duo jungling and screwing over our adc. To his credit though... he was an incredible jungle.

I Do this all the time, but with Anivia :D Had the entire team going after us, I intentionally run back in, they defeat me and the passive activates. they all focus me, and ignore my partner.

Rikari1 votes

The more you die,the lower your gold value too. be wary of csing/killing as this raises your gold value. helpful info. wp still

godofruin21 votes

been proxying singed alot recently

Transgressor1 votes

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been proxying singed alot recently

Did it work for you? Because for me it ended with me laning 3vs1(jungle top and mid trying to keep me from proxying) and instead of everyone getting free objectives and being 3 dragons up I get verbaly abused for supposidly intentionaly feeding, when I'm @ 300cs with 5 items sitting at like 2/11 constantly putting presure for them to send even 4 people to stop me.

Rakvir1 votes

This is just yet another reason to add onto the ever-expanding list why I refuse to go back and try ranked. Heaven forbid I actually make logical decisions.

There is hardly, if ever, an absolutely idealistic situation.

If my teammates decide to double-back (which is almost ALWAYS), then die, I'm to blame when they would have otherwise been saved.

Too many people cannot wrap their heads around the very concept of self-sacrificing for the benefit of the team.

More often than not, I can't get an ADC who will CS while I fend the enemy off and, instead, they would let hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of essentially free gold over the course of a game, disappear into thin air.

If I could play on a 5v5 team with people I knew in-person, this wouldn't be a problem but since I don't have friends who play the game (except one on the literal opposite side of the country), I'll stick to Team Builder and pray I'm not going to be clumped with a bunch of PvP heroes who can't even think 5 minutes ahead, let alone 20+.

LordGeovanni1 votes

it is but people only see kills you dear sir deserves to be master summoner in league

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Doing stuff like this ended up being my go-to gameplan when I got stuck in low elo. Sure it's nice to build damage and wreck people, but just flat out winning the teamfight is more important (although I usually try to barely survive so I can help clean up afterwards)

TakeTheEarth1 votes

Riven sacrifices must be made

Eleshakai1 votes

As the casters so often say... it's not about how many deaths your team has, it's about what those deaths accomplished.

The Lexer1 votes

It's supposed to be "It's not how many deaths your team has, it's if your nexus is one of them"

Delphinium1 votes

When I die for my adc as Janna...

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