So 61% winning rate but i gain 8 lp and lose 19???

Oddysseas··1 votes·3,516 views

So so far this season i have 87 ranked games in bronze 5 and bronze 4, out of these 87 games i have 53 wins. That is 61 % win rate. I currently have 48 lp in b4. Last game that i won, i only got 8 lp, so did i for the 5 past games. Now whe i lose i lose anywhere from 19-24 lp. Now considering the 61 % winrate, i would expect that my lp gains would go up from 9 that it used to be, but instead it went down to 8.

I think its contradicting and unfair. People tell me that i have to keep winning and get some win streaks which will make my mmr go up and thus better lp gains, however tiot says that if i go on big win streaks my lp gain will decrease by alittle bit. How the hell are they expecting me to go up in ranks if i am supposed to win more than what i lose, but my lp gain when i do gets reduced. I am fckin pissed and i think riot is going crazy and they should reconsider their ranking sustem. Niw i know bronze is ' supposed ' to be full of useless trolls and feeders but its not. I think its a place where alot of good players have been locked in by the stupid ranking system.

Alot of you might say ' but i got my smurf out of bronze in a week, or a day, or a month or whatever' but i bet you forget to take lp gains and losses into account. I see alot of good players in bronze who are stuck because of thsi unfair ranking system. Something needs to be done i think.

With my 61 percent win rate i should be in b2 by now and i should be gaing over 15 lp and losing about the same.

I kniw there are alot of good players in bronze, that must come out and tell their story because riot seems to be ignoring us and forgetting all the hours we have put in this game. I currently own 109 chamoions! I need 14 more for full roster. That forces me in playing this account. And i must have room for progress and not because i put some money in the game, but because i diserve it ans my 61 % win ratio proves it.

24 Comments

Jamaree1 votes

It is because your MMR is shit....like...utter shit. Your MMR is a good 300 points less of your rank.

Ring of Regenera3 votes

This one speaks the truth, people like me and you can't get beyond bronze because we are weak, and inferior to others. We are already beyond saving, we can try to advance, but basically people like us suck too much to grow any stronger Oddysseas.

Jamaree2 votes

I'm not saying he is inferior, I'm saying his MMR is shit. I'm saying that he can't go up because while he might be doing well NOW, before hand back in season 4, he lost more then he won, so his MMR is shot. It is going to be a very hard and long battle back up now.

Ring of Regenera2 votes

Its still true, we wouldn't be here if we didn't deserve it, we are failures, it is something I have accepted in myself.

Jamaree2 votes

Depressing.

Ring of Regenera2 votes

But accurate

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

a long and fun battle. id love to get 100 games in a row vs bronze V.

SnackieCakes1 votes

It does seem that LP gains and losses should be standardized.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

I always thought they should make it so you always gain 20 lp but lose 15 or 10.

Jamaree3 votes

Then everyone would be Diamond.

CaptainTatertits1 votes

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Then everyone would be Diamond.

I'd probably still be bronze 5.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

that's not even close to true. Generally, you gain more lp than you lose anyway, and when your mmr is correct with ur division, you are earning 20 to 25 lp, while only losing about 15.

Jamaree2 votes

And if we did your system where everyone got 20 to 25 LP for every win, after a while, even people who deserve to be lower but just happen to play enough games will be Diamond.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

Please explain.

RogueWill1 votes

Is a numbers game. Basically you are saying that if you had a 1:1 win:lose ratio you would win 5-10lp every match. So if you were to play, lets say....500 games you would be Diamond while still just be average.

There was a time were LP was standardized on every tier but Tier 1 of each division. They made this so people would have some fun seeing his rank change; but once you were on the Tier 1 you would see the real changes on your MMR and 0 or 1 LP gains were saw. Players that were trying to climb out of the division then made a big fuss and the system was changed of what it is today.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

Yes, but hypothetically speaking, if you rarely lose a game at 0 LP, you'll be gaining 20 lp and still losing 15 lp per game. Although I do see your point. The system just makes it really hard for people to climb if they get behind.

RogueWill1 votes

To climb out you have to win more games than you lose. In the other games I have played is usually 2:1 or 3:1 league is actually 1.5:1 (unless your MMR is messed up). What youa re proposing is around 0.8:1, you can see the problem. If flat LP were to being added then MMR would have to be removed completely and players should be matched by their ranking alone, you would win 20lp per game and lose around 35-40 per game and that's pretty much describing an elo system similar to how it was on Season 2

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

as hard as it is to promote, it is even harder to get demoted. if it was set to a static number for every win eventually everyone would get on a winning streak and promote. and yes there would be bronze players with diamond ranking in that system.

RogueWill1 votes

I took the liberty of checking your stats.

Your current (approximate) MMR is 526 while someone on B4 should have around 800-850 MMR. Your last game MMR was average 511... you are 300 below you should be hence you are not wining as much LP per game yet you keep losing tons upon lose (trying to balance)

Your win ratio is indeed 60% but you forgot to mention you have only for the last 20 played games.... For total you actually have 56% win rate (47 out of 83) this season and have 46% win rate in total ranked games.

Basically you have to start wining 3 games for evey game you lose for around 20 games or so in order to your MMR to balance and you start getting 20lp increases again.

Oddysseas1 votes

I estimated my winratio without taking provisionals into account, i did 2-8 in provisionals so i took 8 out of losses and 2 out of wins, my bad. Anyways i would be very interested in finding out how you estimated my mm based on my stats.

Another thing that annoys me is that previous seasons shouldn't matter. The reason why i am saying this is because a person who just turned lvl 30 would have a better mmr, an thus i think my mmr should be the same as a person who just turned lvl 30 since the beginning of the new season.

You are right in what you are saying, but i must tell you that since there is no lower elo than bronze, it doesn't make any sense for people to have such little lp gains and so hard lp losses, in other words if i am a bad player, who is being matched with other bad players, the odds of losing are 50-50 and thus the lp gains should also be 50-50. Pretty much since the mmr always makes sure that you get matched with people of the same mmr, that would mean 50-50 winning chance and therefore 50-50 lp gains at all levels and all divisions.

Thank for your time and explaining me all that amd pls tell me how you estimate someones mmr

RogueWill1 votes

First for the MMR I use http://na.op.gg/ It is not 100% accurate but it gives you an idea on the ballpark of what your MMR is. There is no official formulas (since RIot doesn't want us to know) so every MMR you see is approximated.

You are wrong... A person that just turned 30 has 1200 MMR (Silver 5- Bronze 1) since that is the base line. And he/she will do its placements assuming it has 12000 MMR to begin with. You on the other hand, carry your last season MMR. This season they did a soft reset basically the formula they used is the following: NEW MMR = (OLD MMR + 1200)/2 then they did a percentage reduction so you would have fun climbing on the leader again. If you were around low silver you basically didn't see a difference (whether you went 10-0 or 0-10) and you got placed back at low silver/high bronze. However as you skew away from the baseline this is not true as low bronze players got a bump to their MMR and Gold player saw a nerf.

And although you are correct on the matchmaking the problem relies that you are B4 when you should be B5 according to your MMR. So you are a "bad" player placed on a higher rank matched with other "bad"players. So the system is giving you bad LP in order to balance you back to B5. As for climbing out of it, if you are decent and you believe you don't belong to bronze, climbing out of it is possible but it will take a nasty amount of games. I'm assuming a ratio of 5:1 win to loses for around 20-30 matches or so just to balance your current MMR and then around 500 matches with a 2:1 win ratio, so is a long way, creating a new account would be way easier but then again I would want to use my skins and all my champions and starting over sucks..... my advice is to give up most of your normal games and play as much ranked games as you can as it will take a lot of quantity to climb out of the pit you currently are.

I AM VBAD1 votes

how do you find out your MMR? id love to know mine

RogueWill1 votes

I go here http://na.op.gg/

As long as you don't do much duo matchmaking it would be accurate enough.

Laughing Fish1 votes

Don't feel bad. I am in Wood League. Although I have only played 10 ranked games (placements) this season so far. I really need to start putting more effort into playing and winning ranked games, as I hope to make gold by years end.

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