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People need to learn how to express their frustration constructively.

Kikirino··4 votes·487 views

You know that prick that you get in your matches? You know the one, the one that tries to tell you how to play your lane but at the same time berates you every time you make a mistake. You know who I am talking about. They guy that wants to win and thinks the best way to go about it is to tell you how shitty you are at your lane and just piss you off by talking shit and complaining all game? Yeah... you are that person when you bitch at Riot.

"Whoever made Kalista needs to be fired." "Riot is r%%%%%ed for nerfing jungle again. They clearly never jungle and just hate anyone that isn't lee sin." insert 'fuck you' image here because that helps "Veigar is good if you play bots farm IP and then buy a real champ instead" There is a thread that literally tells Riot to go fuck them selves and it is on the front page...

I main jungle and I get pissed whenever they nerf (what most of us see as) the wrong thing but calling Riot r%%%%%ed and defaulting your argument to a Lee Sin hate thread and 'LC$ BIG PLAYS BRO' mock thread solves nothing. Instead of being an angry child, try to give them meaningful feedback. Riot might act on it. Riot might not. Who knows? But at least you aren't being an ass about it and it is being constructive. I get why people are pissed. They care. They are upset that a part of they game they enjoy is being changed or, as some of us believe, being treated unfairly. I am not asking you to be happy with the way things are being handled. Just be civil about it. Whether your feedback is accurate or not is irrelevant. Just stop being assholes about it. Below I will list what I hate about the jungle changes. My feedback might be completely wrong but anything is better than "Fuck you, Riot. You need to fire the jungle balance team because they clearly have no experience with the jungle."

Riot, I am not happy with the way the jungle is being handled. You nerfed Chilling smite several times because it is too good compared to the others. First nerf I could understand. Change flat movement speed reduction to movement steal. Made sense. Instead of chilling smite letting your entire team catch the target you have to catch them and stall them for your team to get them. Nerfing the range however does not make sense to me. Some champions NEEDED that range in order to be able to gank. All this nerf did was hurt those champions and mildly inconvenience the already strong junglers (Vi, J4, Lee) that can instantly get in melee range without the smite. You took away the cake from some jungles and the icing from others.

Want to make the other smites on par with Chilling? Rework Poacher's. I would even say just remove it. No one uses it because the risk is high because jungle camps are stronger than ever before and you have to sit in enemy territory in order to get a mediocre reward. Revert red smite to pre WW nerf state or make it reduce damage to all targets not just jungle. I expect Purple smite to be nerfed soon because it will now be the go-to smite and there will be no more smite diversity now than there was pre-chilling renerf.

You nerfed Warrior's enchant because "The Warrior enchant seems to be outperforming of its other enchantment counterparts". I would say that is because AP and tank jungles are dead weight this season. Top jungles are all AD bruisers. I honestly cannot name one good AP or tank jungle. Okay... maybe Nidalee as AP. Tanks take too long to clear camps and deal no damage so they suffer from less exp and gold than their camp clearing gank strong counter parts. AP jungles have no real form of sustain for their clears and mana nerfs didn't help that. If Elise and Diana got some decent buffs maybe we would see more Magus enchants. If Zac and Naut got some love maybe we would see more Juggernaut enchants. Simply put: I don't think the enchant is the problem here.

See guys? It is possible to list the stuff you are frustrated about without being a piece of shit about it and it be meaningful. I would have added my Kalista hate but this thread is long enough and will get passed over anyway.

17 Comments

Pryotra2 votes

Yet there are completely legitimate threads that don't agree with Riot that are both well constructed and ignored.

These threads are old, and I really wish you and your smurfs would stop spamming them.

Kikirino2 votes

I don't have any smurfs on the forums but I would argue the bitchy hate threads are old because there is a constant stream of them.

Pryotra1 votes

And this thread is no different from them. There is a host of this exact same type of thread that is as common and old as the "bitchy hate threads". Except the target of your bitching is the playerbase that disagree with Rito. Guess what, these threads are a dime a dozen and frankly counter-intuitive.

And funnily enough, when I look at the boards sorted by best, the top threads tend to have a complaint of some sort. Some of which still have yet to be responded to. You don't even need to scroll to find some very important topics being ignored. You know what I don't see? Riot whiteknight threads. Probably because the community agrees they aren't great material, especially because these kinds of threads tend to discourage discussion on a forum.

You want the boards to be this place where riot is loved? Ask them to talk out the issues with the community. Because short of that, alot of these issues are just gonna fester.

Kikirino2 votes

I take it you didn't bother reading the thread. I never said don't complain. I said don't be an ass about it. "Fuck you Riot for nerfing X" does not help anyone. Over half of my thread is a complaint to Riot and I am not White knighting. I am asking people to complain in a civil manner. That is it.

Pryotra1 votes

To be completely honest, after I got ~1/2 way through the giant wall of text, I stopped reading. At that point, it looks like you just ranting about people complaining about stuff. I have no interest in reading giant walls of text that are a rant. I'd also wager no one else is either.

If you really want that feedback read (another gripe is that they don't read it, but to be fair it looks like their might be some recent changes to that, time will tell), then I recommend either reposting the thread with the feedback being the primary focus, and at the same time Reformatting it so it isn't just a massive wall of text.

Part of the reason that people have started abandoning the structured feedback is that it takes to much time to be ignored. Which, until extremely recently, seemed to be the case, both by lack of responses and actions taken. Communication is a two way street, and if Riot wants things to remain civil towards them then they need to participate. Otherwise they are like the step someone stubs their toe on. Nobody is going to care if the step gets cursed out, as it's not like the step listens anyways.

Ariaflux1 votes

Communication is a two way street, and if Riot wants things to remain civil towards them then they need to participate. Otherwise they are like the step someone stubs their toe on. Nobody is going to care if the step gets cursed out, as it's not like the step listens anyways.

I disagree with many things you said but I will focus on this one. Using OP's analogy, your teammate not acting out on your advice gives you enough reason to become toxic to them?

Pryotra1 votes

Not really an accurate analagy. it's not even not acting on your advice. It's both them claiming to take it into account, then them going above and beyond to not only ignore the issue, but exasperate it. Yeah, I'm more relating Riot to a troll.

And while we do have tools to report trolls, we don't have tools to do the same for Riot. So alot of us have tried civil dialogue, watch it fail spectacularly, and then proceed to hear this garbage on how we should be civil to the troll and try to talk it out with them. Communication is a two way street. They've taken steps to shit on the idea of community/Riot communications.

Hence why you see alot of the old timers saying "fuck it", and dropping the niceties. I agree that some people take it too far, but frankly I get where they are coming from. Everyone deals with trolls differently, and honestly writing longer and more constructively has gotten us no where.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Here's the problem, as I see it. If Riot isn't communicating, then no, there's no reason to be civil for them. But they aren't the only audience. Hell, they aren't even the primary audience.

Is it, then, not worth remaining civil, making valid and defensible points, and actually discussing the matter with the audience that is there? Or does everyone else just have to suffer because "rito doesn't care"?

That's a little like scheduling a talk, finding out that the 20 or so people you expected to be there ditched, and deciding the shriek obscenities at the 1000+ people that did show up.

Pryotra1 votes

Here's the problem, as I see it. If Riot isn't communicating, then no, there's no reason to be civil for them. But they aren't the only audience. Hell, they aren't even the primary audience.

As I did say, some people do take it too far. That said, I don't feel that this is a fair argument. The entire forums got shoved onto this beta product (Sorry boards team, it still isn't what was promised) for their benefit so that they could better find important topics. Now we are stuck using knockoff reddit with less communication from them.

I don't think it's unfair for the playerbase to expect an increase in communications when that was the reasoning for the Boards in the first place, and I don't think it's unfair for the playerbase to be upset when that expectation isn't even attempted to be met.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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I don't think it's unfair for the playerbase to expect an increase in communications when that was the reasoning for the Boards in the first place, and I don't think it's unfair for the playerbase to be upset when that expectation isn't even attempted to be met.

Of course it's not. No one is saying people shouldn't be upset (or if they are, they should stop, because that's stupid). But this is the exact argument people make about dealing with trolls in-game: "I should be allowed to rage at them if they make me upset." And that's pointless - it serves no purpose, has no benefit, and makes things that much worse for everyone else.

I don't want to see people wave their rage-on around. I want to see actual criticism.

Criticism can be meaningfully discussed. It can bring light to new ways of thinking about things. It can be educational and purposeful, even when the subject of that criticism is absentee.

Rage-ons, though, are meaningless. They're useless to anyone but the person waving it, and the only people who really appreciate it are the people who're busy waving their own. To put it crudely, it's a bit of a circle-jerk issue.

This isn't about Riot communicating with people. This is about people communicating with other people. It's not that those hateful ragey threads are disrespectful to Riot. It's that they're disrespectful to basically everyone that reads them.

Pryotra1 votes

Criticism can be meaningfully discussed. It can bring light to new ways of thinking about things. It can be educational and purposeful, even when the subject of that criticism is absentee.

There are some topics you can only talk about so many times before there really isn't much more to say about it that is kind. Eventually, the complaint becomes "How much discussion needs to take place before Riot cares?" From there, it's a downwards spiral.

Rage-ons, though, are meaningless. They're useless to anyone but the person waving it, and the only people who really appreciate it are the people who're busy waving their own. To put it crudely, it's a bit of a circle-jerk issue.

Well, we did warn Riot that this format enhances circle-jerk. Just more proof that the criticism, regardless of format, is pointless. And I have proof too. Sort by best, you should find a few of the old threads where this issue was brought up by players and dismissed by Riot.

This isn't about Riot communicating with people. This is about people communicating with other people. It's not that those hateful ragey threads are disrespectful to Riot. It's that they're disrespectful to basically everyone that reads them.

As long as this game caters to Humans, there are going to be rude people. As long as this is on the internet, the toxicity is going to be extreme. If it is truly over the line, and I leave that to your best judgement, then report and move on, just like after a game with a toxic rager. No use complaining about it, as this is just as circle-jerky as those toxic threads are.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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There are some topics you can only talk about so many times before there really isn't much more to say about it that is kind. Eventually, the complaint becomes "How much discussion needs to take place before Riot cares?" From there, it's a downwards spiral.

True enough. But isn't that the point where most rational people just wash their hands of the whole thing? Regardless, I stand by the point - being civil about your criticisms here isn't about Riot, it's about the other readers.

No use complaining about it, as this is just as circle-jerky as those toxic threads are.

I can't really argue with that, and frankly the rush of these threads was just as annoying to me as the spate of "rito sux" garbage was. But the points are nevertheless valid. Irritation at one group is a terrible excuse for disrespecting an entirely different group.

Pryotra1 votes

True enough. But isn't that the point where most rational people just wash their hands of the whole thing?

Like the Spyro fandom did? That resulted in Skylanders. I don't think you want league to become the next Skylanders...

Regardless, I stand by the point - being civil about your criticisms here isn't about Riot, it's about the other readers.

Remember when I mentioned the Downwards spiral? We are in it. Again. We almost got back, but Rito kinda just went back to their old ways. Which prompted the downwards spiral yet again.

Frankly, this community has fought longer and harder than most communities at staying civil, considering what tools we've been handed. The fact that it took daily Porn threads for Riot to even consider stepping in last time is a testament to just how bad it gets before Riot does anything, and that's pretty sad as there were full out RIOTS on their boards, with people Doxing each other left and right over trivial bs.

At the end of the day, this is their boards, and they need to step up and take responsibility.

Ariaflux1 votes

Not really an accurate analagy. it's not even not acting on your advice. It's both them claiming to take it into account, then them going above and beyond to not only ignore the issue, but exasperate it. Yeah, I'm more relating Riot to a troll.

Then we have an irreconcilable opinion of Riot. I would see a troll as an entity that intentionally aggravates his victims, and if you believe Riot is like that, I don't think there is any point for us to continue debating.

Whether they are making the right decisions or not, I do not think that their goal deviates from making LoL a good game. Players may not agree with the direction, but to think that Riot do things just to antagonize the player-base is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

Pryotra1 votes

Then we have an irreconcilable opinion of Riot.

Not irreconcilable. Just irreconcilable without Rito putting forth effort. Granted, when you set yourself a bad rep, it's hard to fix it, but it is doable.

When, as a community, you provide polls, argument upon argument (both civil and not so), and show overwhelming support in a chatroom with several Rioters only for them to say, "You know, I'm not sure everyone is really behind this idea. Let's make a poll to see if people want this." And only when that poll shows the exact same sentiment as all previous polls, arguments, and support already showed that they decide to cave and follow through, then I'm going to have a very hard time believing Riot really wants communication and doesn't want to just "antagonize the playerbase".

By the way, what I was just referring to was the months long struggle to get GD named back to General Discussion. Yeah, that much struggle to get a forum name changed.

EL HAMSTERO2 votes

you are under the impression riot will listen if you use constructive criticism. what gives you that idea? I get no such feeling. they ignore us no matter what we say or how eloquently we say it.

Zmuecat2 votes

I feel like we get more responses being jackasses.

Hell, I go for the passive aggressive route. At some point in time constructive just doesn't feel effective. Why spend 25 minutes writing an essay when the people you want to (even just pop in and say they are reading what you wrote) will go and post in "LOL AWESOME" or some other silly thread.

Hell, I could probably hyperlink every single letter in the OPs post to a constructive, ignored 'nerf Lee because X' thread.

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