You guys do realize autofill is basically the system we had before the new champ select right?

Guy Fox Teemo·Nov 25, 2016·55 votes·1,879 views

I mean it wasn't a good system and i definitely didn't like it but just saying. Its not something new.

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WeatheredNov 26, 201620 votes

Something something Teambuilder master race.

rtbf225618241Nov 26, 20164 votes

Ah yes, Team Builder - Where you had to wait super long to get a full team and most of the times, people left as soon as there wasn't a 3-man team already assembled. Master Race indeed.

JunkοNov 26, 20164 votes

Ah yes good old team builder where even if you got a support after 30 min of waiting they just dodged because they didn't like your team, good old times.

Votable JesterNov 26, 20162 votes

Even with what those other people are saying, I did like Teambuilder. At least with all that wait, I got to play what I wanted.

It isn't bad right now though. I still get to play what I want most of the time.

Penta PenguinNov 26, 20168 votes

so people aren't supposed to be upset about regression because "it used to be this way" ?

VerdadeNov 26, 20161 votes

You know, if you played one game as support, you get autofill protection for 4 next games and you can play whatever you want without fear of being filled. Considering there's 5 people on team, one going support every game would get us enough supports to have near-instant queues.

morris1Nov 26, 20161 votes

People seem to forget Autofill wasn't released along with the new champion select. After release autofill hardly did anything for queue times but lowered match quality by a lot.

Aloexx RatfootNov 26, 20161 votes

i disagree completely, when the new system came out i regularly had 10-15 min queue times, with autofill that time is down to 3-4 min.

Guy Fox TeemoNov 26, 20161 votes

You can be upset; Just don't act as if this is a completely new system that is completely ruining everything as the boards claim . While I'm personally okay with it (Since I can play every role) I can see why others are not. There is just a bit of an overreaction.

Resonance x LFTNov 26, 20163 votes

It's almost like

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You should learn how to play all roles of the game

VerdadeNov 26, 20163 votes

Or, you know, you could queue as primary support for one game, play it and get autofill protected for next 4 or 5 games so you can play your mid/top.

General Esdeath Nov 26, 20161 votes

People want to run from the past

DehitayNov 26, 20161 votes

There's a bit of a difference. People who used to be secondary supports like me prior to season 6 still can't put support as their secondary and get a decent amount of games as their main role.

notice me Sin piNov 26, 20161 votes

old champ select: fill = fill new champ select: fill = support

SociopathFriendNov 26, 20165 votes

Fill 9/10 of the time meant Support back in the old champ select too.

JunkοNov 26, 20162 votes

Not really, if you were 1st to 4th pick you could just fill for any role but support, as if you were queued up for "fill except for support".

ReejinnNov 26, 20161 votes

Correct me if I'm wrong, Blind Pick didn't have phases. Everyone picked at the same time

ShadòwNov 26, 20161 votes

The Old Ranked Draft is meant

Herbal KentNov 26, 20161 votes

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vampirekid13Nov 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Herbal Kent,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=8KJLOaY4,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-11-26T07:12:18.462+0000)

Maybe they should implement a system where people select the role they want to play & then they get to play that role.

The real problem is the undesirability of certain roles, looking at you support. So before I end this post only addressing problems here is my proposed solution (stolen directly from Dota 2) add a new consumable item to the shop which has limited charges and exchanges gold for experience. This would alleviate what in my opinion is the worst part of playing support, the level disadvantage.

or they could actually fix botlane. the issue with support isnt a support issue, its a botlane issue.

manbearswineNov 26, 20161 votes

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or they could actually fix botlane. the issue with support isnt a support issue, its a botlane issue.

It's both

Muted SummonerNov 26, 20161 votes

It was more like who was 1st in line/pick got dibs unless someone said mid or feed.

generally the last 2 were support and the other last role and they had to fight over which one didn't want support, unless some magnificent bastard said fill (and meant support) or support.

woodvsmurphNov 26, 20161 votes

Sayeth what?.... How dare thou utter such vile black magic speak on this board. Begone with you spawn of Teemo :-)

MonkeyMadnessNov 26, 20161 votes

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These whiny kids are so fkin entitled. Grow up please and accept that the only way to actually get good at this game is to play the ENTIRE game, not just your 1 or 2 champs.

WimbledofyNov 27, 20161 votes

meanwhile there are a bunch of otps in master etc.

MonkeyMadnessNov 27, 20161 votes

And what happens when they don't get their role? They either dodge, harass someone into dodging, or straight up feed. Any one trick pony above gold should be permaed before they cause very real problems.

WimbledofyNov 27, 20161 votes

you said the only way to get good at this game is not with just 1 or 2 champs, if that was true players wouldn't be in such high ranks.

MonkeyMadnessNov 27, 20161 votes

These players are not good at the game. They are good at their one champ. Take away that one champ and they are considerably worse. However, if you were to take away my main, I can still play at a plat level because I play more than 1 champ. Being good at the game and being high ranked don't necessarily go hand in hand.

BlåbæretNov 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=8KJLOaY4,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-25T23:40:44.832+0000)

I mean it wasn't a good system and i definitely didn't like it but just saying. Its not something new.

Really trying to see your point, but I'm unable to because there is none. No one on earth liked the old system when compared to this one__ and that's why there are now so many complaints. It's OK to read inbetween the lines you know - don't be a sheep.

Guy Fox TeemoNov 26, 20161 votes

Because people are acting as if this system is completely new that Is insanely horrible yet while it wasn't the best system most were fine with it previously. Not to say it shouldn't have been changed but boards are overreacting about the issue

BlåbæretNov 26, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=8KJLOaY4,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2016-11-26T20:39:16.497+0000)

Because people are acting as if this system is completely new that Is insanely horrible yet while it wasn't the best system most were fine with it previously. Not to say it shouldn't have been changed but boards are overreacting about the issue

They were "fine" with it because there weren't any other alternatives or solutions.

Guy Fox TeemoNov 26, 20161 votes

I'm just saying don't overreact and blow this whole thing out of proportion.

ValyrianBladeNov 27, 20161 votes

Well, no, actually it isn't.

The old system was better. I'll add that I had this opinion immediately when the new system came out, not just due to autofill.

Anyways, in the old system, you were expected to be knowledgable about every role. At least have 1 or 2 component champions in each of your off roles. In the current system, after a year of playing only two roles, there's no such expectation. Everyone believes they're okay only knowing 2 roles, and thus being put in to a different role is unfair to them.

More directly though, autofill is worse than immediately switching to old draft. In the old version, teams could communicate their role preferences and people could make reasonable choices as how to form the best team. In the new version, teams can still do this potentially, but there's this big flag where everyone has an assigned role. You COULD give up your role and play support since it's your third best role and his fifth, but why should you? You were assigned your favourite role - you don't get it every game. Heck, you filled support 3 games ago!

To give a comparison, consider a bus with all of the seats taken when a very elderly woman steps on. There's a mom with two little kids in the 3 seats at the front, a disabled man sitting opposite them, and then a bunch of healthy young men sitting in the forward-facing rows behind.

Logically, any of the young healthy men would give up their seat to the elderly woman.

Now, consider that those two 3-seat sections at the front had signs over them indicating that they were for priority seating. All of the young healthy men aren't taking up the seating for the elderly woman. The healthy mother is taking up such a seat though. Perhaps none of them will get up as they all expect the mother to move for the elderly woman - even though all logic would dictate that the mother should be sitting with her kids (who both are young enough to need seats).

You could argue that this isn't the case in real life - but please remember that we're talking about a video game with a bunch of immature teenagers. It wouldn't be hard to get 4 of them in a game where at least 1 would give up his "seat" if there wasn't a sign, but won't when there is.