Does everyone remember in the not so distant past when the forums were swamped with threads about how outrageous Zed's ultimate was? What infuriated people was his ability to just go right back to where he started, in a safe place. Well, Ekko's ultimate is no different. He goes back, likely to a safer place, AND heals. So, people got exactly what they said they DIDN'T want.
S H A Y C 02 votesnot exactly. ekko is a bit more dynamic than that. The ekko player has some planning and a decision to make, which typically has to be made in advance. His ult could take him to saftey, yes, if his after image is still in a safe(er) place than he is, but it also does outrageous damage...if it does outrageous damage in a safe place(where there are no enemies) his ult is nothing more than a really fancy dash + heal. which can be good, but not worthy of "Ultimate" status. However he can be really aggressive, patience and careful to place his afterimage on top of the enemy and ult there...it is a bit more risky for sure, but the pay off is immense. Zed does not have these things. his ult does one thing...it goes in on a target, he can then go to safety but possibly does not do sufficient damage to fulfill his intended role if he escapes too quickly without doing his full combo. he also has more control over where and when all this happens, vs ekko who has to plan out everything just right and wait for his after image to be in the right location.
If ekko goes in, and gets stunned....when he is released from the stun his after image will have cought up to him and now all his plans are ruined. Zed ults in, gets stunned, needs to leave and goes back to a fixed location where his shadow stands still.
Its not quite the same.
mikho1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=7opcMV3L,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-11T14:30:57.756+0000)
not exactly. ekko is a bit more dynamic than that. The ekko player has some planning and a decision to make, which typically has to be made in advance. His ult could take him to saftey, yes, if his after image is still in a safe(er) place than he is, but it also does outrageous damage...if it does outrageous damage in a safe place(where there are no enemies) his ult is nothing more than a really fancy dash + heal. which can be good, but not worthy of "Ultimate" status. However he can be really aggressive, patience and careful to place his afterimage on top of the enemy and ult there...it is a bit more risky for sure, but the pay off is immense. Zed does not have these things. his ult does one thing...it goes in on a target, he can then go to safety but possibly does not do sufficient damage to fulfill his intended role if he escapes too quickly without doing his full combo. he also has more control over where and when all this happens, vs ekko who has to plan out everything just right and wait for his after image to be in the right location.
If ekko goes in, and gets stunned....when he is released from the stun his after image will have cought up to him and now all his plans are ruined. Zed ults in, gets stunned, needs to leave and goes back to a fixed location where his shadow stands still.
Its not quite the same.
You are underestimating ekko's ultimate imo. Not disagreeing with your whole statement. Just think you are highly underestimating his ultimate. Imo it's OP and heal needs to be scaled down early game severely.
S H A Y C 01 votesim not underestimating his ultimate. the ap scaling on the damage is out of control. But much like oriana's ball, everything is telegraphed and if you are able to track it, you know where things are going to happen and have a chance to react to it. But even so, his ult being pretty op, its not very good in the hands of a NUB...much like zed, if a skilled player gets a hold of ekko things can get a little insane very fast. But again, it all has to be planned or at the very least carefully timed...if ekko is fed, and he starts kiting you dont be a dumbass and try to follow him, walk away from his after image first and re engage later.
But i dont know man. some people just have a hard time with a certain champion kit. for me, heimerdinger is stupid and i cant lane against him without ultimate poke like xerath...otherwise he just pushes me all the way to my nexus. other people can insta stomp him. maybe you just need some practice to learn how to deal with him or he may just be on your list of "cant frikin deal with this champ gg" ?
mikho1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=7opcMV3L,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-11T16:33:23.805+0000)
im not underestimating his ultimate. the ap scaling on the damage is out of control. But much like oriana's ball, everything is telegraphed and if you are able to track it, you know where things are going to happen and have a chance to react to it. But even so, his ult being pretty op, its not very good in the hands of a NUB...much like zed, if a skilled player gets a hold of ekko things can get a little insane very fast. But again, it all has to be planned or at the very least carefully timed...if ekko is fed, and he starts kiting you dont be a dumbass and try to follow him, walk away from his after image first and re engage later.
But i dont know man. some people just have a hard time with a certain champion kit. for me, heimerdinger is stupid and i cant lane against him without ultimate poke like xerath...otherwise he just pushes me all the way to my nexus. other people can insta stomp him. maybe you just need some practice to learn how to deal with him or he may just be on your list of "cant frikin deal with this champ gg" ?
It's not that I can't deal with him. I can. I just find his health scaling to be OP early game. The thing is, when ALL champions are fed, they are fed. All champions are hard to kill when fed. With Ekko, his Ulti is so OP, the thousands of games I have played, I've never seen (both on my team and against) a champion get penta kills as often as ekko. His Ulti just needs some AP and HP tuning. Besides that, his skills are fine and he can be countered in certain cases.
