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Are we not going to talk about Riot's compulsive liar problem?

46104328_DEL··2 votes·429 views

Seriously guys, I think they need help.

Now, I didn't realize this until recently, but what was the reason that they nuked the lore, wiped the IoW, rewrote everything we loved, and stopped the JoJ?

"Because writing characters is hard?"

No...Well, yes but Riot claimed there was another reason.

"Because they didn't want the lore to effect the game, like with WW killing Soraka."

Very good!

So, because of this problem, which could've easily been remedied with some clever writing, and/or clever audience events, (either have character development with WW getting over himself and being happy with his curse (new skin), or pit the two against each other in some One for All style matches, winner lives, gets a new skin, loser dies, and is deleted. (and you give those who own Soraka their RP back for skins.) (This also has the added benefit of deleting champs you don't like anymore, making more space for new champs with new kits, without pissing off their fanbase to bad by completely redesigning every aspect of them , and forcing this new champion on them, because, whoops, no refunds for changed champs (Fiora)) or something.) Riot decided that they'd just burn everything we knew and loved about the setting, and declare the "game" non-canon. Declared that Story and game where competly separated, and would never cross...

Isn't that right, Gangplank? "Dead" and disabled for over a week, and now with a newer, far uglier model that feels ripped off from two other sources? And why? Oh yes, Lore...

"But, that is changing and effecting the game because of Lore..." Correct! Which makes Riot, a bunch of liars...

So, the Garen Rework is announced. I don't play Garen. I don't like Garen. In fact, I hate Demacians, with one exception. But, I'm told that people flocked to Riot, begging them not to touch the silence.

"Please!" They cried. "We love it! It's what makes Garen, Garen!"

"Worry not!" Said Riot. 'We'd never destroy what makes champs who they are!" Now here we are...With a gutted Silence, a slow on Garens signature stun, the removal of his tenacity, and a whole load of nerfs that turn this big, hulking knight...into an AD bruiser...

This seems unwise...

Wasn't Garen's character a warrior dedicated to what he thought was Justice, who would never, ever quit, no matter what got in his way? Best shown in game with a tanky warrior who wouldn't be out run, and could shrug off stuns. So, now, we make him a hard hitting warrior who can be stunned and slowed by anyone with the remotest amount of mobility and CC. This is no longer Garen.

I'm furious with a lot of Riot's changes, especially to my main bug Skarner. From his multiple devastating nerfs, to this current rework making him a troll pick, to the utter nuking of his lore...But, fine. They can rip me off and change the product I purchased from them...Even though I think that's illegal as fuck.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I HATE being lied to.

Discuss.

TL;DR: Riot's lied to us twice, why are we allowing this?

7 Comments

aaronautumn1 votes

people change their minds all the time. that doesn't make them a liar. this thread seems really childish tbh.

i am disappointed with a lot of what riot's been doing lately, but this is not the discourse we need. make an actual suggestion instead of shouting "liar" and "this is illegal".

46104328_DEL1 votes

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people change their minds all the time. that doesn't make them a liar. this thread seems really childish tbh.

i am disappointed with a lot of what riot's been doing lately, but this is not the discourse we need. make an actual suggestion instead of shouting "liar" and "this is illegal".

"We will keep lore seperate from gameplay." "Lol, Gangplanks out because lore." is not changing your mind. It is a lie.

If they added "So, we changed our minds about never effecting the game," Then they need to bring back the lore, and the JoJ, and they need to tell us BEFORE they do it, otherwise, yes, it's called lying.

And yes, it IS illegal anywhere outside the net. It's called a bait and switch. If I pay for item A, and I am given Item B, then you have robbed me. It being on the net makes it a bit grey.

I love how you insult me, then don't say anything to their defense.

aaronautumn1 votes

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"We will keep lore seperate from gameplay." "Lol, Gangplanks out because lore." is not changing your mind. It is a lie.

that's the exact definition of changing your mind.

If they added "So, we changed our minds about never effecting the game," Then they need to bring back the lore, and the JoJ.

joj sucked, why would they bring it back? because 10 people are nostalgic?

And yes, it IS illegal anywhere outside the net. It's called a bait and switch. If I pay for item A, and I am given Item B, then you have robbed me. It being on the net makes it a bit grey.

read the terms of use

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46104328_DEL1 votes

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that's the exact definition of changing your mind. they changed the direction they chose to take the game in, what's so awful about that?

joj sucked, why would they bring it back? because 10 people are nostalgic?

read the terms of use

"B. Game Assets, Riot Points and Virtual Items. When using the Game, you may accumulate in-Game assets associated with your Account, including, without limitation, objects, artifacts, currency, items, equipment, and/or other value or status indicators (“Game Assets”) that reside on servers operated by Riot Games as data. You acknowledge and agree that such Game Assets are accumulated as part of your Account and therefore you shall have no ownership or other property interest in any of those Game Assets. You further acknowledge and agree that Riot Games has the right, but not the obligation, to delete, alter, move, remove, or transfer any and all Game Assets, in whole or in part, at any time and for any reason, with or without notice to you, and with no liability of any kind to you. Riot Games does not provide or guarantee, and expressly disclaims any value, cash or otherwise, attributed to any data residing on servers operated by Riot Games, including without limitation the Game Assets associated with your Account. If you have a valid, active Account, you may participate in our Riot Points service offering, which is a redeemable point system that operates like virtual currency (“Riot Points”) used to license certain Game Assets that can be used while playing the Game, including, without limitation, special champions, champion “skins,” and boosts (“Virtual Items”). Riot Points can be purchased online through the in-Game store or at retail in the form of a prepaid Riot Games Game Card. Please note that you must register your Riot Games Game Card in the in-Game store in order to access the Riot Points the card contains. Riot Points might also be provided to you by Riot Games as part of a promotion, or through other means, such as completing certain quests or achievements in the Game, or through Riot Games-sponsored contests or sweepstakes. You agree that you will be solely responsible for paying any applicable taxes related to the acquisition of, use of or access to Riot Points. Riot Points are sold or issued in bundles and the price may vary depending on the amount you purchase and where you are purchasing. As Riot Games feels necessary, in its sole and absolute discretion, Riot Games may limit the total amount of Riot Points that may be purchased at any one time, and/or limit the total Riot Points that may be held in your Account in the aggregate. Riot Games will notify you in the event that you near any such limit. Additionally, price and availability of Riot Points and/or Virtual Items are subject to change without notice.

i did not insult you. and i'm not trying to defend them, i just think that threads like this do nothing to promote quality exchange of ideas.

No, that is the definition of lying. If I say I'm going to give you 300 bucks, and then don't, and when you come asking say "Oh, I changed my mind." Did I change my mind? Or did I lie? Period.

And because YOU don't like JoJ, CLEARLY no one else did, Eh? Love your logic. Tell me, do pixies exist in your world to? Or just trolls?

I'll give you the ToS. You provided. Good show.

And yes. You're defending their shitty practices, and calling me childish. You may think Riot can do no wrong, but trust me, they can.

Edit: Also, classy, trying to hide "I didn't insult you, and I'm not defending them." Didn't count on me still being here, didja?

aaronautumn1 votes

just because i disagree with you does not mean i'm defending riot as a whole, i never said they can do no wrong. they've made a lot of terrible decisions but that isn't the topic at hand.

i disagree with your analogy. if anything, it's like someone saying "i won't give you 300 dollars" but instead they do. people have been asking for riot to be more involved in lore, so that's what they're doing now.

sure maybe i'm biased against JoJ, but since its removal, there have been many other outlets for storytelling. they're moving in a new direction, it's how it goes. if that's them lying to you then so be it.

46104328_DEL1 votes

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just because i disagree with you does not mean i'm defending riot as a whole, i never said they can do no wrong. they've made a lot of terrible decisions but that isn't the topic at hand.

i disagree with your analogy. if anything, it's like someone saying "i won't give you 300 dollars" but instead they do. people have been asking for riot to be more involved in lore, so that's what they're doing now.

sure maybe i'm biased against JoJ, but since its removal, there have been many other outlets for storytelling. they're moving in a new direction, it's how it goes. if that's them lying to you then so be it.

Then it's still lying. The difference being you telling them. Doing something you like doesn't make it right. I weep for the future if people don't know what lying is.. So, either, your parents never taught you right, or you're defending shitty practices.

Side note: Feel free to stop trying to be condescending whenever you want. It's just making you look bad. And if you don't want to discuss anything, and are ok with being lied to and jerked around feel free to, but do it elsewhere.

aaronautumn2 votes

it's a lie if they said it with the intent of not following through.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lie#Etymology_2

if you disagree with the dictionary definition, here's a more philosophical approach. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lying-definition/

changing your mind is not the same thing as lying. or are you insinuating that when they said "lore and gameplay won't be linked" they didn't mean it?

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