Last call to not ruin Taric.

46104328_DEL·3/15/2016, 9:20:35 PM·4 votes·2,049 views

So, I know posting this on Circle-jerk central is a forgone conclusion, but Taric does not need a rework, and considering recent rework track records (Excluding Fiora and Sion, good job there.), it would ruin him completely.

Taric is very healthy and strong as is, working as a wonderful 'red mage' style champ, being good at everything, but great at nothing. He can tank, he can heal, he can stun, he can shred, he can buff, he does it all. The main argument FOR his rework is "Well, everyone else does everything better!" But does anyone do them all at once? Can Soraka shred armor and stun reliably? No. Can Sona do damage and tank? No. Can Leona buff, heal, or shred? No.

It feels like those fighting for a rework have never played the champ and don't understand what he is, and would likely never play him anyways, unless pro's started using him. You made this mistake two times already, and that's just in my limited opinion (Skarner and Poppy have been completely ruined and don't even resemble who they were anymore.), don't strike out.

42 Comments

Gunslinger7443/15/2016, 9:23:56 PM5 votes

The problem rito has is that there's nothing about his kit that makes him Taric, it's all very generic. A stun, a heal, an armor aura/shred. The end. That's the reason for the rework. A change like this is always scary for the players (god I remember when Shen's rework was announced...) But as long as they keep CertainlyT out of it, he'll be in adequate hands.

Stars Shaper3/15/2016, 9:23:37 PM3 votes

Well, there are some things:

  • Taric is ready to be deployed, calling now for not changing or how to rework him is way too late.
  • Riot stated lots of times that his kit will be similar though how he plays it will be different.
º Naddition º3/15/2016, 9:24:44 PM3 votes

I think the reason for the rework is not just about his abilities but also his playrate. Which is very, very low. Almost nobody is playing taric, urgot, or galio. Poppy was the same way until her rework and now shes pretty commonly played. And lastly, hes just not fun to play. I own taric and i think hes extremely boring to play as. He has a good kit but its no fun to use. I hope they keep his variable kit and make it more fun to use.

Chase Me Daddy3/15/2016, 10:13:16 PM3 votes

So first of before anyone says i don't know anything about Taric, here: http://prnt.sc/afqieu

Taric is in an state where he needs an rework. Noone can deny it, even those who play Taric. Even those who enjoy playing him.

Let's look back at season 2/3, what happened? Taric was a insane support that could 1v5 everyone with just items like Runic Bulwark or the old Aegis. His first ult was basicly mundos but for his entire team. He got beaten by the nerf hammer and did receive a new ult which is basicly still a total lackluster of stats.

Over this time he was in a state where people would wish you cancer just for even trying to pick him. Taric was a joke according to the community (same goes for Urgot and Yorick). In season 5/6 people saw that he is one of the most annoying toplaners in the game. And where are we now? In a state where Taric can run 1v5 with not brain function required. Seems like an endless circle doesn't it?

Taric atm is a point and click stun bot, heal bot, stat bot and can even run 1v5 with just armor and mr... And let's don't talk about his ingame model just shows how much he has aged over the years.

So what is left that makes Taric Taric? Concept and character. That is all, the rest is a bag of random stats for you or your team. No interaction. No plays. Nothing, just stats. His concept and character are the things that made me play this ball of stats. I waited until the day i can finally also enjoy his gameplay as a support. And it finally approaches. Now a champion doesn't need 10 minigames to be enjoyable, but he needs interaction. He needs to able to make plays and give the player some reward of doing something right. Taric doesn't do this. Even a Annie or Yorick can make better plays than Taric (now i know Yorick does need it too, because he suffers from similiar problems). The most complex thing about Taric is managing his passive which (guess what) remains pretty similiar with his relaunch.

And finally to the point why riot reworks champions. Because they are op? Because they are underplayed? Because they are up? Because they want the players that play the champions to suffer? No, to keep the game healthy and up to date. Is a point and click stun with just stats smashed onto it healthy gameplay? Is it? It isn't. Accept what riot does, give criticism or just keep on saying that the champion is ruined and stop playing him. His core will remain but his whole kit needs an overhaul. Champions always keep their essence in both kit and character. Still there is big or small ajustments needed. Please do us a favor and wait for his initial reveal. If you don't like his new kit give feedback on howto make him a champion enjoyable for you.

Well this got longer than i expected it to be. Just to give a little short version: champions like Yorick, Taric, Swain, Warwick etc. are all beeing reworked for the overall unhealthyness they bring to the game. I love champions like Yorick, Taric or Swain but even if i like those champions for what they are i can't deny that they are unhealthy and need their rereleases. Everybody just calm down and wait for Taric to hit PBE. Then we can talk about stuff like "this isn't Taric anymore", "you ruined my Taric" or "i really don't like...".

The NervousNinja4/26/2016, 11:57:53 PM2 votes

Amen. The rework has been just terrible. And I agree with all your points. Riot, please take Taric back from me, so I stop having to play him in ARAMs....

AMADEUSdotEXE3/15/2016, 9:26:26 PM2 votes

We don't even know what they're doing with taric yet...? Besides, I think Taric might be a little more fun aside from stun > ult > whack ADC

redniwediS3/15/2016, 9:35:10 PM2 votes

The only reason Taric is even competitive at the moment is because of his point and click stun, which always makes him useful when assassins become popular. Everything else he can do can be done better by other champions, and yes this is a very important problem.

Riot, and a lot of people, don't want him to be some jack of all trades support, we want him to have a unique identity. In his current state he is definitely usable, but once the assassins die down so will Taric. There's simply no niche for him outside his almost impossible to avoid stun. He may be able to do all of these things that other supports can do, but since he can do all of this he is not allowed to excel at anything.

I love current Taric, and occasionally play him jungle or top because why not, but he should be allowed to do so much more than walk up, buff allies, and stun people. That is not what a healthy playstyle is. There are two types of champions, mechanics based and knowledge based, but both sets should have a bit of the other. It takes some knowledge to properly use a Zed or Master Yi, and it does take some mechanical skill to play Annie or Anivia. Taric, however, has the lowest mechanical skill requirement in the game. Anyone with some capability of outplaying you will beat you unless you outright overpower them with raw stats. No one in their right mind would argue that this is healthy.

Also, starting your post with an insult toward anyone who may disagree with you is simply not a good way to get your points noticed. If you want your opinion to change anyone's mind you first have to allow your own mind to change. You simply won't convince anyone if you ignore any criticism toward your own viewpoint.

Calabok3/15/2016, 9:44:50 PM2 votes

Wrong

He will be reborn a new queen

Tohob3/15/2016, 9:38:05 PM1 votes

i own and play Taric and i think he could use some love. he's ancient. he could really use work on all of his abilities except for his heal, which i feel is his most well-made ability. his stun, while great, is a very boring point-and-click stun, his W and R are basically the same ability and they aren't very interesting or all that good. his passive has already been reworked a couple of times and it still isn't quite what it should be. i'm glad to see him on the rework list, and honestly i feel it'd be impossible for riot to make him any worse than he is now

Shroom Junkie3/15/2016, 10:23:04 PM1 votes

Taric is like a tanky Sona only less interactive and so rarely does anyone play/main him for it.

He has a pretty awkward passive, that makes him want to spam abilities, or at least desperate them, for more damage even though he's a support-tank, a heal almost as crappy as Sona's and to only one person, a boring, and sometimes almost unnoticeable W passive, though admittedly the active is pretty useful early game which in the meta right now pretty much decides the game unless the winning team screws up, his dazzle is extremely boring and can't exactly set up many plays or do much as its so slow people can dash out of range before it hits them, - and almost everyone has a dash nowadays - or set up some kind of countermeasure(Jinx grenades, for instance), his ult just gives random raw stats to his allies, which granted is pretty good, but its boring and odd.

League of Legends is going into an interactive faze and point-and-click and unnoticeable passives just don't do it for'em anymore. Why do you think people like Taric, old Poppy, Warwick, etc. aren't/weren't played very much? Because they're boring and most of them are simple stat-bombs that either get behind and do nothing, or get ahead and can't be beat.

GaymerBoy3/15/2016, 11:00:01 PM1 votes

Speaking of Taric, coming from a Taric main, can anyone tell me if this trailer for him is real??? I was just released today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muBpfX5_IiA

LordGeovanni3/16/2016, 4:07:33 PM1 votes

if tarics auras were large enough to effect any one then he may be popular Specifically his armorshared aura and when he uses it to shatter enemy armor even though the range says a few units it doesnt even effect half the indicated range so you miss alot of damage and armor shread moving around a fight and picking up the kill you should have had every now and then after the the enemy adc kills our adc and your adc killed the enemy support and almost killed the enemy adc you could be about tahm kenches attack range away and the w active will miss

OurLestrade3/15/2016, 9:30:46 PM1 votes

Hell I love Taric and I still think he needs a rework. Here's to hoping that they keep him as the support duelist that he is at the moment, I want to beat up all those MLG Yasuos and Zeds when they go for their routine visit bot :P