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WoW vs. GW2 vs. FFXIV -- help me decide. T_T

Niyumi··2 votes·15,254 views

So, I'm currently looking at these three games for something to do when the people I play League with aren't on. I enjoy raiding, sometimes PvP, and quests / events / fights / whatnot that involve more than just killing things.

With WoW, I played for 12 years, only ever taking a break when the 6.0 WoD prepatch hit, and made all my favorite classes two buttons. I heard a lot of good things about Legion and went back, but the game is still absolutely braindead. Been doing heroics and mythics, and I don't think I've even died once that wasn't a wipe. The game is just so stupidly easy, but I love the lore that's everywhere, and the art style isn't hyper realistic. I haven't tried the raids yet -- people tell me they're fun, but I'm suspecting it's more braindead content like everything else in this expansion.

  • + Lots of lore

  • + Lots to do

  • + Nostalgia

  • + Good art style

  • - Community worse than League's

  • - Stupidly easy

  • - Boring rotations

GW2, I bought when it first came out. Never played GW1, but I heard amazing things about it. As far as GW2 goes, I loved the combat system, and while the art style was too realistic and dark, it wasn't bad. There was a lot to do in the beginning, but then I ran out of things to do, and got bored. Fractals came out, and they were fun for a while, but then they got old too (there were like 5 back then). The lore was good (more narrative than WoW), the combat was fun, but everything was really easy still. Then raids came out, and I went back. The first wing was super fun, but no one pugged anything, and the people that did were God awful.

  • + Really fun combat.

  • + Really good PvP.

  • + Good story.

  • - No Trinity, limited mechanics.

  • - Not much to do.

  • - Too easy.

  • - No one pugs.

FFXIV is the one I've played the least, and never made it to max level. But, I hear it's absolutely amazing, and the end-game is great. There's a ton of story, the graphics are realistic but not dark, and the crafting is actually fun. What really turned me off is the 2.5s GCD and very simplistic rotations (which people tell me is a load of BS, especially at max level). I've been thinking of giving it another shot, but I donno.

  • + Beautiful.

  • + Great story.

  • + Fun crafting.

  • + Chocobos.

  • - 2.5s GCD.

  • - Simple rotations.

I've also tried Wildstar, Mabinogi, Maplestory (way back when), Runescape (even more way back when), ESO, SWTOR, BnS, TERA, Trove and a lot of other MMOs, but WoW always trumped them in the early days. Now that WoW isn't so good anymore, these other games just aren't enjoyable either, or get old quickly despite being fun. Are there any games out there that have good PvE, passable PvP (I like objective-based more than arena type), and a good story? Need something that will last a long time, so not a console game or a one-off Steam game.

27 Comments

paisy1 votes

I used to play FF14 a ton, only stopped playing because I pay for XBL too. I didn't have any MMO experience till FF14. What drew me in was its awesome art style and FF setting. Yeah the rotations are lame in the earlier levels but once you get higher it gets more fun. Ninja and Black Mage were probably the most interesting for me. I say give it another shot and level a character to at least 50 and judge it then, because that was the highest you could get without Heavensward. The max right now is 60 and a new expansion is coming soon.

Niyumi1 votes

Yeah, I've been looking at videos and whatnot, and people are saying that, if the GCD is an issue for you, play Ninja or Monk, potentially Dark Knight. The fights do look interesting too.

paisy1 votes

Ninja and Monk usually use skill speed so yeah that'll help. Looking at this post makes me wanna go back though lol we'll see. If you do try it out again then I wish you luck and hope you find long term enjoyment in the game.

Niyumi1 votes

I hope I find something enjoyable too. I'm really just kind of sick of League, but I have nothing else to play.

What's the community like in FFXIV? I hear it's fantastic. xD

paisy1 votes

It is actually really nice. I've met a couple of bad eggs but it was bound happen. It's something to look forward to.

Niyumi1 votes

Now if only my game would actually start. Keeps giving me an error whenever I try to connect to a data center. T_T

paisy1 votes

RIP, wish I could help. My data center was Zelera, the one people would jokingly make fun of because it has the lowest population.

Magical Player1 votes

Wow is the best MMORPG long standing history the really only downside to it is the dated engine

Niyumi1 votes

Yeah, the dated engine kind of limits what they can do with the game, and all the fights are more or less rehashes of one another. It is a good game, and I played it for upwards of 12 years, but the combat is just so boring now. 1>2>3>3>3>3>1>3>3>1>2>3>3>3>3>3>... or 1>1>4>1>3>1>2>1>2>1>2>1>3>1>2>1>2>1>4>1>3>1>2>1>2>...

Magical Player1 votes

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Yeah, the dated engine kind of limits what they can do with the game, and all the fights are more or less rehashes of one another. It is a good game, and I played it for upwards of 12 years, but the combat is just so boring now. 1>2>3>3>3>3>1>3>3>1>2>3>3>3>3>3>... or 1>1>4>1>3>1>2>1>2>1>2>1>3>1>2>1>2>1>4>1>3>1>2>1>2>...

Lol, I macro'd entire boss fights onto 1 key quite literally 1 click mechanics :D

Niyumi1 votes

Yeah, I never used macros, but people who did could do the same damage as me, and it's kind of sad.

Magical Player1 votes

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Yeah, I never used macros, but people who did could do the same damage as me, and it's kind of sad.

no need for dps races after world 1st is done after that just build a macro and know the move steps gg

Catastrop1 votes

GW2....although you might hate the class balance in PvP(or in general), I know I do, but it's still a great game. Lots of lore, great scenery, cool classes and quaggans!!!

Just to note however, rotations vary depending on class you're playing. If you play something like an Engi, it will require some serious keyboard gymnastics.

Niyumi1 votes

Oh I loved the PvP in GW2, and the classes are interesting, but there just wasn't a whole lot to do. : / The raid was fun, but no one ever puged it, and you're bound to it on your whole account, meaning you can only run it once a week. I could run fractals all day, but they get boring after a while.

And yes, Engi is my favorite class, and I play the piano on my keyboard while playing it. xD Hammer + Grenades + FT + TK + Mortar. D/D Ele is my second favorite, followed by S/A + Hammer Revenant.

Catastrop1 votes

Ah, I know how you feel with the no pugging thing. It's pretty much the reason why I could never take an interest in Raids beyond a few Spirit Vale runs. However, they have since added 3 new Raid wings since Spirit Vale, and they're a bit more friendly to pugs...well besides Slothasor, but that's one encounter. Also, the most recent one has what is easily some of the best boss fights, I personally haven't been able to experience them for myself yet but they look amazingly fun from WoodenPotatoes vidoes on the wing. Seriously, look up Samarog, he's like the coolest monster ever.

On the topic of Fractals, they also added a new Raid-like one in the Nightmare Fractal. It's replaced Mai Trin Boss Fractal as the 100 scale and even has a challenge mote which is the Raid-like scenario. The reason I say Raid-like is because it has no enrage timers but boy is it still pretty fun and challenging. It's the sole reason I'm finally able to play condi healer Tempest(as soon as I get the gear that is).

I suspected Engi was your favourite class, unfortunately I don't the know the joys of the class as it's 2hard4me. I'm Elementalist all the way, followed by Mesmer and Necros/Thieves. Although, and this where my PvP balance comment comes into play, Ele in PvP is pretty much just a healbot these days. It kind of changed with last week's balance pass, when they buffed off hand dagger, however with no Cele amulet anymore it's kind of hard to really make it work like the old days.

Niyumi1 votes

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Ah, I know how you feel with the no pugging thing. It's pretty much the reason why I could never take an interest in Raids beyond a few Spirit Vale runs. [...]

Back when I played GW2 a lot, the only thing people would pug is the first two bosses in SV. Nothing else was ever pugged, and any time I tried to, people would freak out and leave. People just aren't that into raiding outside of guild runs -- and the account-wide lockouts don't really help. >.>

On the topic of Fractals, they also added a new Raid-like one in the Nightmare Fractal. It's replaced Mai Trin Boss Fractal as the 100 scale and even has a challenge mote which is the Raid-like scenario. The reason I say Raid-like is because it has no enrage timers but boy is it still pretty fun and challenging.

Haha, I'd have to farm up AR gear then. xD Highest fractal I've done is 50.

Truly Prideful1 votes

The answer is always to join Black Desert Online.

But of your choices, I really enjoyed GW2 the most. Love WvW and exploring the world. The story they keep adding to is nice and the artstyle is fantastic. I just really like all the little things like the jumping puzzles and stuff.

Niyumi1 votes

I don't really enjoy sandboxes, or I would give BDO a try. But, with no real end-game content, no raids or anything, I'd get bored really quickly.

And yeah, I love jumping puzzles too. xD

Ambient Snow1 votes

Wow is fun, but can get boring real quick because WOW basically has a issue where every thing is simplistic for the casual gamer,

FFXIV is fun because it has a indept story line and you only have to make 1 character that can be EVERY job and EVERY class in the game, so you're not having to re roll a new character and play through the same crap every time you want to try out a new class or job.

never played GW2

person I love Wow cause wow had pvp and battle grounds but man did it suck having to play the low lvl zones every single time I wanted to try a different class. and they kinda ruined their raiding system via making it super casual friendly

FFXIV is great cause its super rewarding and you can lvl up solo quing quests, or you can go find parties for zone quests and bosses. or you can just do dungeons. in their world queue. end game content and gear looks great and is quick and easy but adds challenge. and the story line is epic. you really get in touch and enjoy the feels

Also ffxiv is 4 dollars cheeper

Ambient Snow1 votes

Simple rotations is changing, with the next expansion, Yoshi has even said that the Classes are getting re worked so they won't be as mind numbing 1234

Niyumi1 votes

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Wow is fun, but can get boring real quick because WOW basically has a issue where every thing is simplistic for the casual gamer,

Yeah, and that's why I'm bored of WoW right now. It's just too... simple. Nothing is really challenging at all anyway, and now the classes are boring too. >.>

Skelenth1 votes

Warframe is good if you just want to waste your life. It's pretty good at that.

Guild Wars 1 has a way better story than Guild Wars 2 (at least that's my opinion), partially because it's already completed. (Just don't start in Elona, except you like to grind for progress). But: You can neither jump nor swim. Otherwise, the overall game is pretty awesome.

Niyumi1 votes

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Warframe is good if you just want to waste your life. It's pretty good at that.

I tried Warframe, don't really enjoy it. Shooters aren't really my thing unless they have a lot of story like Metroid, Mass Effect and all that. Warframe is also just WAYYYY too grindy.

Just Jangle1 votes

{quoted}

So, I'm currently looking at these three games for something to do when the people I play League with aren't on. I enjoy raiding, sometimes PvP, and quests / events / fights / whatnot that involve more than just killing things.

With WoW, I played for 12 years, only ever taking a break when the 6.0 WoD prepatch hit, and made all my favorite classes two buttons. I heard a lot of good things about Legion and went back, but the game is still absolutely braindead. Been doing heroics and mythics, and I don't think I've even died once that wasn't a wipe. The game is just so stupidly easy, but I love the lore that's everywhere, and the art style isn't hyper realistic. I haven't tried the raids yet -- people tell me they're fun, but I'm suspecting it's more braindead content like everything else in this expansion.

  • - Stupidly easy

  • - Boring rotations

Yet i bet you have not defeat a mythic +10 in time, hit at least 2.2k rating in arena PvP or at least kill 1 raid boss in mythic.

Probably if you stoped being so casual you would actually find a challenge.

Niyumi1 votes

What's the point if I'm falling asleep before I even get there? The combat just isn't fun anymore with how simplified it is, and the fights aren't hard either (they never have been in WoW)... so it's all just kind of boring.

Just Jangle1 votes

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What's the point if I'm falling asleep before I even get there? The combat just isn't fun anymore with how simplified it is, and the fights aren't hard either (they never have been in WoW)... so it's all just kind of boring.

So then again, ever tried a CHALLENGING difficulty? With what you just said i can tell you have never left LFR, because mythic raiding is really challenging.

Niyumi1 votes

No, I haven't done Mythic yet because I'm terrible at making friends, and I can't find a guild that will take me along. That, and I can hardly stomach playing the game for more than an hour or two before I start falling asleep. But, if Mythic is anything like Heroic raids from Wrath to MoP (supposedly the same tier of difficulty), then they'll also be a joke. The content in WoW was never hard, but the classes were interesting enough to make it fun. Now that the classes are braindead, there's not a whole lot that interests me outside of the lore.

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