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Someone give me a new game to play.

Niyumi··2 votes·690 views

One where the company gives a fuck beyond how much money it makes, where the CEO doesn't sell out to an even greedier Chinese mega corporation, where the game is actually fair and actively balanced.

I'm just sick of fucking League and all the bullshit. I'm sick of Beck being a greedy little asshole trying to feel better about himself by hoarding money. I'm sick of the absolute disregard for fair gameplay and balance in favor of LC$ big play$ and money. I'm sick of the shitty quality and terrible scheduling that also comes from the game being F2P. I'm sick of the piss-poor community and all the PC ideals I need to have rammed down my throat. I'm sick of the terrible matching and Riot not caring about it...

But then, every game these days is shit-tier, and nothing is really fun for more than a couple hours, thanks to the gimme generation. Would be nice if there was at least one company out there that actually gave a damn about what they're doing.

So, I know another game I'd actually enjoy doesn't exist.

16 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Most of this ranting is all in your head, but you wouldn't believe me no matter how much evidence I give.

So I will leave it here.

EDIT: to answer your question there are plenty of board games and TCGs depending on your preference.

Niyumi1 votes

And, despite all the evidence I've thrown at you, with nothing to counter it on your side, you insist on believing and preaching that I'm wrong and just delusional.

Yet, I've interned and done work in the industry, and I know full well how things work, and how greedy a company Riot is.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

I have. You just don't accept it or seem to understand that companies need to make money to live.

If you interned you would understand this no. 1 rule of business.

Niyumi1 votes

See, there's a difference between making money and being a greedy fuck who needs to be slapped silly. Very few companies, if any, care about their product beyond how much income potential it has anymore. Wasn't always that way, but modern society enabled greedy, nasty people to rise up and get into power.

If a company actually cares about their product, and puts a lot of hard work and effort into it (even if it's not the absolute most lucrative method), yet still makes a ton of money... then that's fine. (Old Nintendo is a good example, before Iwata and Yamauchi died)

But if a company half-asses everything and tries all kinds of underhanded, slimy tactics to try and get people to pay even more money... then there's an issue. (Riot, EA, Activision, etc.)

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

I really tried to stay out of this avenue of conversation, but I am only going to say this once.

And truly listen.

Riot has done several things for free that the company that you continuously describe would not do.

They have:

  1. Hextech crafting so you get free stuff.

  2. A rune page system that works on time playes not money spent.

  3. The things you do pay for are solely for cosmetic value and add no tactical advantage (Insert particle invisibility joke here)

  4. The entire freaking ARAM map was the result of a popular custom map that got remade into a permanent map, free.

  5. This snowdown map reskinning of SR, free.

  6. Doing VUs of old champions, even the ones that aren't all that popular.

  7. The entire universe site.

Niyumi1 votes

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  1. Hextech crafting so you get free stuff.

You think any other company with chests / boxes / whatever do that just so you can get free stuff? No, Riot added this to further incentivize RP sales. You get hooked on it, and want to buy keys instead of waiting, or a new chest, or you wanna try for Hextech Annie / Vayne / Ward... it's not about the players getting free things at all.

  1. A rune page system that works on time playes not money spent.

With absurd IP costs on every rune and rune page, they want you to spend your IP here and use RP to buy champs you want -- or to buy IP boosts so that you can farm it a bit easier.

  1. The things you do pay for are solely for cosmetic value and add no tactical advantage (Insert particle invisibility joke here)

Sure, that is true. But, when a champion is popular, they become immune to any major nerfs, and are always kept brokenly strong in order to keep RP sales going for all the fairweather mains who go and buy the champ / skins. And that's where the F2P factor in balance comes in.

  1. The entire freaking ARAM map was the result of a popular custom map that got remade into a permanent map, free.

I wasn't playing when it was added, so I can't comment.

  1. This snowdown map reskinning of SR, free.

As with any other game that has seasonal events, things like this aren't done out of the good of someone's heart. It's done to hype people up and get them playing more, potentially spending more money if a cash shop is in the game -- especially if there are limited time items.

  1. Doing VUs of old champions, even the ones that aren't all that popular.

They do VUs, but not of any of the champs that are absolutely horrendous to play against. They rework the champs that no one plays, and makes money off of their rework, since they can market skins for the previously unpopular champ (since new players won't have skins for the "unfun" champs).

  1. The entire universe site.

And how the lore team was able to get the okay to do that is beyond me. Lore doesn't make money, so I imagine our wonderful CEO and our Chinese overlord were sweating when the lore team asked. But then, lore hounds have money too, so if they're kept happy with bare minimum effort, it might be lucrative.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

And your past paragraph epitomizes the futility of talking to you.

You will interpret any and all actions by Riot this way, using whatever excuse you can dream up.

Fine.

I won't waste time trying to reason with you anymore. For real this time.

Niyumi1 votes

No, I talk from DECADES of playing games, of working in the field, and all that.

I know how the companies work, and I know the difference between a company who cares and one who doesn't.

Unfortunately, people don't want to admit they've been lied to by all these development studios we have now, and instead just keep shoveling money into their pockets. I remember a time when we would have laughed our asses off if a game like League came out, or if F2P was even attempted, or if DLC was getting out of hand (back then they were called expansions though). We would throw them out of the industry, and continue playing the games that were actually good.

Things aren't like that anymore though.

Dolasaur4 votes

Very few companies, if any, care about their product beyond how much income potential it has anymore. Wasn't always that way, but modern society enabled greedy, nasty people to rise up and get into power.

Check out US oil barons and steel monopolies in the early 1900s. Check out the worldwide slave trade that was quite rampant throughout much of the world up until the late 1800s. Check out the British Empire causing wars with China because they wanted to sell opium to Chinese citizens (and actively pursued getting the populace addicted to opium). Check out the British Window Tax from the 1600s. My economic knowledge doesn't extend much past the last 400 years. But it's not like the world was ruled by lovely people before then either. You killed your brothers/sisters/cousins/uncles/etc. to grab power. And it's been like that for literally millennia.

Don't blame "modern society" for a concept that has existed for literally thousands of years.

Do you think game companies are only in for the money, and are doing everything the way they are because that's only what they want? People have to give them money to get what they want. This isn't like the 1980s when Nintendo could have four people make a game. Consumers these days want things like 3D graphics and large multiplayer online scenarios. That costs tooooons of money.

I'm sick of the piss-poor community and all the PC ideals I need to have rammed down my throat.

They're not ramming anything down your throat. You're continuing to play of your own free will. This isn't like a physical addiction where the nicotine/alcohol/opioid/etc. is really forcing your hand. You want to keep playing, so you keep playing. That's like saying "Mario keeps ramming mushrooms down my throat" or "Call of Duty keeps ramming guns down my throat". If you feel differently, then you should consider seeing a doctor to help you. (Yes, the community is a part of the game. I'm assuming you're not talking about the forums, because that would be entirely unrelated to the rest of your post.)

every game these days is shit-tier, and nothing is really fun for more than a couple hours

Don't act like you're not having fun. A couple hours? A quick skim of your op.gg showed you with over 1000 games. That's averaging out over 500 hours total. You chose to play that whole time. And if it's not fun anymore? Well, you already got your 500 hours of fun. And comparing to your early Nintendo days where you'd spent $60 for maybe 10-20 hours of content, I'm sort of assuming you haven't spent $1500-3000 on LoL. (You might have. But that's uncommon.)

Also, going back to the "modern society" comment... what? That happened with old games all the time too. Like the famous Atari E.T. game, where the company wanted money and only gave the dev like 4 months to make a game (so it ended up so terrible that everyone that knows game history at all knows about it). Super Mario Bros. 2 in the US? Just a random other Japanese game that Nintendo reskinned and called SMB2 because they didn't think the US could handle the real SMB2.

If you don't have fun for more than a couple hours, and everyone else around you is having lots of fun, then... it just means video games aren't for you. My friends watch football all the time, and I don't say "football should change so that I like it". I just say "I don't like football" and move on with my life.

That said, if you truly believe games from 20-30 years ago are the way to go... then go that way. I'm 100% sure you haven't played all of them. I'm 100% sure you haven't even played all the "good" ones. You could play games released up through 1999 for the rest of your life and not run out of games to play.

Niyumi1 votes

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... Don't blame "modern society" for a concept that has existed for literally thousands of years.

I'm not talking about oil companies or governments. I'm talking about game companies. In the beginning, they cared about what they do -- you brought up Nintendo, they kept on caring even into the modern era, Iwata lost a lot of potential revenue for sticking to his principles. Companies like EA and Ubisoft were tiny, and most people kind of avoided them. But then, F2P started gaining traction with little kids, and the greedy companies all jumped on ship since people are a lot more gullible now.

Do you think game companies are only in for the money, and are doing everything the way they are because that's only what they want? People have to give them money to get what they want. This isn't like the 1980s when Nintendo could have four people make a game. Consumers these days want things like 3D graphics and large multiplayer online scenarios. That costs tooooons of money.

Costs tons of money if you hire 50,000 people to do a job four or five could do, sure. When you have no other options and want to play video games though, you just have to swallow your pride and hand over that money to slimy suits who give you half-assed garbage. You can't choose to play Nintendo, SEGA, Capcom and all that and laugh EA out of the industry, now you either play Cash Grab # 1 or Cash Grab # 2.

Don't act like you're not having fun. A couple hours? A quick skim of your op.gg showed you with over 1000 games. That's averaging out over 500 hours total. You chose to play that whole time. And if it's not fun anymore? Well, you already got your 500 hours of fun. And comparing to your early Nintendo days where you'd spent $60 for maybe 10-20 hours of content, I'm sort of assuming you haven't spent $1500-3000 on LoL. (You might have. But that's uncommon.)

Oh the game is fun, sure (and that's why I play), but I can't stand all the bullshit Riot (Beck, really. The developers themselves are fine, minus Meddler and the other cronies) pulls.

Also, going back to the "modern society" comment... what? That happened with old games all the time too. Like the famous Atari E.T. game, where the company wanted money and only gave the dev like 4 months to make a game (so it ended up so terrible that everyone that knows game history at all knows about it). Super Mario Bros. 2 in the US? Just a random other Japanese game that Nintendo reskinned and called SMB2 because they didn't think the US could handle the real SMB2.

Yes, it did happen. And we laughed those games out of the industry, and stuck to the good games. Now we don't have the ability to do that, since the good games are so far and few between.

If you don't have fun for more than a couple hours, and everyone else around you is having lots of fun, then... it just means video games aren't for you. My friends watch football all the time, and I don't say "football should change so that I like it". I just say "I don't like football" and move on with my life.

Thing is, I used to love almost every game that came out (and I still do, really), but when you rehash the same concept year after year, or when you put out some half-assed game that's just a thinly-disguised cash grab, it's really not all that fun. I can go back and play any of the old games and still love them, but I have to forget the levels and everything before I really have fun with them.

That said, if you truly believe games from 20-30 years ago are the way to go... then go that way. I'm 100% sure you haven't played all of them. I'm 100% sure you haven't even played all the "good" ones. You could play games released up through 1999 for the rest of your life and not run out of games to play.

I've been playing games religiously for 23 years. Pretty sure I've played all the ones I like at this point.

Psyrik3 votes

Try a Board Game. Or better yet get Tabletop Simulator ($12 on g2a) and play every and any board game pretty much ever made for free (besides the 16 DLC games)! Board games dont have crummy CEOs and money agendas and are always a good bit of fun.

3 Games Id recommend on there: -Scythe (Strategy / Resource / Combat) : one of the 16, $8 DLC games on TableSim but worth every penny -Spector Ops ( Strategy / Stealth)

  • Dominion (Deck Building Card Game)

(DLC is free to play for players, only the Host has to own the DLC)

Niyumi1 votes

I don't really like board games. Tried several, but they just don't really stick.

IcyPepper2 votes

League of Legends.

Laughing Fish1 votes

Trust me, you will love this game: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c5/AliensColonialMarinesBox.png/250px-AliensColonialMarinesBox.png

legionnaire991 votes

paradox is whose game I play when I'm not playing league but get ready to set some time one campaign take about a month irl time:P

midnight oil241 votes

Heroes of the storm.

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