How it feels to like reworks of Champions done by Riot on these boards

{quoted} I was a dinger main during the time he was reworked. And I was one of the firsts to show just how OP he was after. He had to be nerf'd a few times to get back in line. He definitely was a good rework. having AP build almost all but taken away was almost liek a rework, but i think it was for good game health and I'm fine with yi as he is now. rework out bursts pre-rework. Its different, and harder to master, but I would definitely say her rework was a buff. rework made people start playing him again. I'd almost forgotten who he was. rework i have mixed feelings about. I loved sora as the mobile refil station she was, and tank-rakka was pretty legit. But I like the new silence more then the old, I like that the Q is a skillshot (though I think it is more repressive due to range than she used to be). I hate the new heal. Sora isn't the clutch-save she used to be.... Sora used to have a clutch-save (powerful) heal, and ult if needed, and target silence. Its what made her a play-maker. She doesn't feel like much of a play maker anymore. So I guess no, I didn't like her rework. Imh, i'm not sure you can call it a rework. Its just easier to understand her influence now. Good I guess. I have mixed feelings again. I liked the stationary ranged powerhouse feel. It was unique. I admit the new xer is more mobile and more capable in general, so it was a buff, but I prefer the old xer just because the uniqueness it had.

You're forgetting riots worst rework, Cass rework seems like a brilliant idea compared to this one. What rework am I talking about? The Twitch rework of course. He was a jungler that was extremely fun to play. They nerfed all his skills and stats except his range and called it a rework, which, after several buffs was stronger overall than he oncr was. However, he lost what him Twitch, his long stealth. He is stealth should've either been evelike or unchanged. His slow was also gutted in exchange for grtting two passive stacks on it. I"m still pissed about that rework, I played him pretty much exclusively for 3 months, went away on holiday only to come back to that piece of misery that bears his name guaranteeing he wil never return. The twith I knew and loved has been deleted. He isn't even a jungler anymore, at least cass' skills still do the same albeit with less damage on q and w( I dislike her rework too, don't grt me wrong) but at the very least she is still a midlane mage. /rant.

p.s. yes I'm still mad about something that happenrd ages ago I love the gamebut that change was just horrible.

No. Just remove that stupid passive already. Ultimately solved none of her problems. Still kept weak on purpose and now her identity is that of a semi-tank. What the actual fuck. A rework well done. I like this new champion, but.... where did Karma go? Well the plan WAS to nerf him after all... Don't even know why they bothered, she's almost back to where she started Still waiting on that one. Well I don't see him anymore, so I can't really say And the prize for most underused jungler since release goes to... Now he's easier to deal with it. That's a good thing. Gameplay update was nice. Let's fix NONE of the real problems and call it a day

You talk a lot about whether the rework was a buff or a nerf but really that doesn't seem to be the main point of a rework, buffs and nerfs work well with numbers alone. A rework is supposed to redo or realign the champ's identity and how he/she fits into that. A reworked champ should be fun to play (and hopefully than too weak or strong). Take . she was boring with her old kit, was as you said a mobile refill station. Now she has some interaction between her abilities and is more like an ambulance that plows down the enemies and heals up the allies. So while I agree with your points about these champs (pretty much) just remember that strength shouldn't be how a rework's success if judged

except her fill is almost the same after patch 4.21 she just feels more smooth to play. They basically just made her early game healthier, and her E less clunky. The passive is w/e, they gonna change it later I guess. but as for now she's fine.

and I don't think listening to the community is a good idea, since usually people like the most negative aspects of the champion( nidalee spears, sion's target stun, cassiopeia's ranged harass with Q)

But the suggestions were:

-Keep Cass the same -But make her a Poison DoT mage (which she wasn't) -Buff her in every regard

My favorite is when people claim a champ was secretly OP, and then complain about nerfs/no change

the thing is tho, if you can land his damage he NUKES. Im talking straight tank sion gaking you 100-0 if you're squishy especially if he gets rav

not really, since you'd spam them anyway, even if you had a different passive, like the live cass. if the passive supports something you'd do anyway there's basically no point in it because it doesn't affect your gameplay.

vayne doesn't getting movement speed for attacking for the sake of getting movement speed, she's a hunter, a stalker of the black magics, so it makes sense. Cassiopeia got ascended, and she's kinda exploring her new power during the game, the longer game goes, the more power she gets. I agree the passive rewards are kinda meh, but the passive itself makes sense. I hope they'll do something more interesting with it

{quoted} Sion is way better off now, deal with it.

Except that all he is now is a running (literally) gag that counters himself with everything he does.

He's far weaker now than he was previously. Riot just masked that with visually appealing abilities and a new look.