To the people calling s6 a tank meta

Marshbouy·Aug 27, 2016·129 votes·7,348 views

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Sahn UzalAug 27, 201666 votes

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BLACK REALM GODAug 27, 201639 votes

Tank = heavily armored highly mobile vehicle used in open warfare susceptible to tight spaces and flanking. In other words braum riding on a corki.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 27, 20166 votes

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Tank = heavily armored highly mobile vehicle used in open warfare susceptible to tight spaces and flanking. In other words braum riding on a corki.

dont think Corki has the calves for Braum to ride around on him

Glory ln DeathAug 27, 20168 votes

Good thing Corki has his ROFLcopter to carry Braum in.

arc95Aug 27, 201620 votes

item 3036 item 3071 item 3142 ... what's a tank?

blueberrypancakeAug 27, 201619 votes

Yohmuu's gets outscaled way too hard to be considered an anti-tank item after mid game

SinlaireAug 27, 201623 votes

True, but the flat pen gets added AFTER the armor reduction of Dominik's and Cleaver. which means that when used with at least one other %pen item it will maintain relevance even into late game at almost all points in time. this is by reducing a flat 20 after the largest numbers have been brought down and not before.

thus allowing it to maintain its efficiency.

GULAG 4 UAug 27, 20163 votes

Okay so I rip thru 70 armor, but the you're left with 180. Who the fuck is going to do jackshit thru that unless they're the ADC or master yisus?

SinlaireAug 27, 201614 votes

Aatrox Garen Gangplank Fiora Illaoi Irelia Jax Nasus Nocturne Olaf Riven Trundle Tryndamere Udyr Talon XinZhao Yasuo Zed

These guys usually dont have too much problem with that. everyone on this list is neither Yi nor an ADC and yet they all have multiple aspects of the list below that makes it so that that armor doesnt mattter.

gap closers
sustain
burst
escapes
armor penetration

you forget that 1 armor is 1% effective health and shredding 70 is like taking 70% effective health away. granted they still have 180% but when they're missing 70% of what they started with then the numbers are still brutal. especially since a large portion of that list have their own built in armor penetration or even execute to bring that number down further.

180 really isn't shit with multiple penetration items, good damage, and the proper champion for the fight.

why else do you think mages only have 3 penetration items and do just fine? item 3151 item 3020 item 3135 that's it. Edit: and item 3001 thanks for the reminder everyone. this damn thing is such a weird item.

AD users have twice the selection and yet do twice the bitching. item 3142 item 3147 item 3156 item 3033 item 3036 item 3071 it's amazing.

GULAG 4 UAug 27, 20162 votes

You're telling me zed and aatrox can ignore 180 armor with ninja Tabi? I said 180 after penetration which is reasonable. Read correctly before you start Downvoting. It's easier to get armor and half of the roaster doesn't have mr per level, that's why there are less Mpen items.

SinlaireAug 27, 201613 votes

you realize current zed build is item 3142 item 3147 and if he doesnt kill it in a rotation he just shadows out and walks away?

who the hell needs to stand there and fist fight a tank if you dont have to?

and of course aatrox can fight a 180 armor tank. It's a tank. all Aatrox has to do is NOT DIE and he just lifesteals to death. it's what he does. 500 armor doesnt matter to aatrox if they cant kill him.

I once turned my W onto heal mode, dropped aatrox onto baron, and walked away to make a bowl of cereal. Baron died when i got back several minutes later. That's why he's nerfed into the ground. aatrox can literally tank and kill anything as long as he doesnt die first because of that W.

My brother also laughed his ass of when i did it because he was right next to me. Didnt think i was serious until i came back with a bowl of frosted flakes to a dead baron.

GULAG 4 UAug 27, 20162 votes

Well many other champions can solo baron too... And he's innately squishy, he's not very tanky. If you 1v1 him as a tank of course you'll lose, he's a duelist.

SinlaireAug 27, 20164 votes

granted. but the conversation started by saying that Youmuu's is bad. I pointed out that its efficiency scales with other armor pen items. I was told that flat pen is still irrelevant to anyone not a marksman or Yi because of tanks, whereupon i pointed out every other champion in league that have no problems with armor/tanks.

Aatrox doesnt care about armor or tanks while not being Yi or a marksman because he's a drain tank duelist.

This entire string of conversation entirely revolves around some strange god worship of armor and tanks when there are 6 pen items in game and an ENTIRE CLASS that generally wins against them. Not including my list above that generally doesnt give much of a damn either.Flat pen is good in damn near any situation regardless of what anyone says. This current Fad with everyone rushing Dusk and Youmuu proves it before you even add in %armor shred.

tanks and Armor are not god. Lots of people in the roster can kill or circumnavigate them. i just find it funny that so many people want to point out exceptions to the rule or outliers rather than just accepting that if you cant kill a tank, you either fed or built wrong. That or your champ just doesnt do well against tanks and i dont know why you're trying anyways.

If it's not in the kit, dont blame it on the items.

ARequestOfDeathAug 27, 20163 votes

you forgot one magic pen item item 3001

Before you say it shreds mr, doesn't penetrate it black cleaver does that for armor and people still call it armor pen.

EndlessSorcererAug 27, 20165 votes

Alistar Me. My ability to survive for 7 seconds before dying makes me the most durable tank in the game.

The 2nd HorsemanAug 27, 20165 votes

Vayne I mean good luck surviving true damage

SinlaireAug 27, 20162 votes

Alistar ult reduces 70% of all damage taken for the duration. Even if Vayne does do true damage, she still only does 30% damage while attacking. The only benefit she gets is 30% damage that doesnt go through resists. Even vayne has hard counters like flat damage reduction, pink ward, and enemy fountain.

The 2nd HorsemanAug 27, 20163 votes

I'm gonna need some clarification here.

Did you know that no form of damage reduction can save you from true damage? Only way to stop it is invulnerability and I suppose being untargetable works too.
No Graves is hard countered by enemy wards, (come on just frigging punch the thing already) has to reload in the middle and end of killing one 3.If your post was sarcastically you're gonna need to get better at writing it sense on the internet, no one can hear your tone of voice

SinlaireAug 28, 20163 votes

consider me misinformed then. It was my understanding that even true damage was reduced by Alistar Ult.

vayne is countered by pink wards because it reveals her in stealth during her Ult+tumble

fountain was the joke because everyone gets stopped or killed by it.

consider that post a tangled mess of half truths and poorly executed puns.

DeathBot666Aug 27, 20166 votes

As a mid lane main...

I hate you.

Like seriously. There are 2 items for magic pen in the ENTIRE GAME!

And one of them is situational and has very little to it at all.

AeszarckAug 27, 20164 votes

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As a mid lane main...

I hate you.

Like seriously. There are 2 items for magic pen in the ENTIRE GAME!

And one of them is situational and has very little to it at all.

There are four plus a magic resist reducer. item 3136 item 3151 item 3020 item 3135 item 3001

exiledFromBadmenAug 27, 20163 votes

item 3036 I want to destroy this disgusting piece of pure hatred. Just like Vayne , this item allows no counterplay against ADCs and other AD champions. At least, item 3071 has to be stacked. Meanwhile, tanks can counter item 3135 with building more HP. Tanks could also counter old item 3035 .

In this season, tanks are forced to build more offensive items because they cannot tank, and they desperately look for more damage.

Glory ln DeathAug 27, 201617 votes

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EndlessSorcererAug 27, 201616 votes

The question is, which word?

"Tank" and "meta" are both rather frequently mis-used words.

MarshbouyAug 27, 20169 votes

Tank.

DealthAug 27, 201617 votes

Well earlier it was item 3025 item 3068 item 3065

Now it's more of a Jinx-every-single-game meta

MarshbouyAug 27, 20167 votes

That was an actual tank meta becasue those are tank items. now stuff like item 3812 item 3046 item 3748 item 3071 are being built on tankyish champions and people are calling it a tank meta. it's really a bruiser/carry meta.

KoggyStyleAug 27, 20161 votes

^this, if you build pure tank you are going to have a bad time. damage has been enforced by rito. there is however outliers that are still viable full tank.

MarshbouyAug 27, 20163 votes

~~rito~~keystones

I heard whispers that they are planning on making tanky champions with engage and CC more rewarding to play AKA buffs.

MonkeyMadnessAug 27, 20164 votes

I agree people are misusing the word "tank". Yasuo with tank items is not a tank. It's just op (ty keystone masteries).

HOWEVER, we are absolutely in a tank meta. Look at the highest winrate junglers for this season: Hecarim, Amumu, Sejuani, Zac, Skarner, Volibear. And in the toplane, maokai and malphite were pretty strong all season. And as for this bullshit tanksassin meta, while not true tanks, the meta was definitely shifted toward tanky damage dealers that could abuse the fervor and/or grasp of the undying keystone masteries.

MarshbouyAug 27, 201612 votes

All the champions you just listed are either -not a tank -have a tiny playrate -were part of the short period of time when there was a tank meta

MonkeyMadnessAug 27, 20161 votes

Oh really? Hec had a tiny playrate? interesting...and if you are going to tell me he's not a tank, then good luck getting out of silver.

MarshbouyAug 27, 201618 votes

bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh. he's not a tank. he's a bruiser

MonkeyMadnessAug 27, 20161 votes

Please continue to think that. I wish you the best in your AD hecarim games.

A champ that builds trinity force does not a bruiser make.

MarshbouyAug 27, 201618 votes

A normal hecarim build includes item 3078 item 3742 item 3053 . those are bruiser items.

MonkeyMadnessAug 27, 20161 votes

Interesting theory. Wrong but still interesting. Hecarim initiates with a hard cc gap closer, splits the enemy team and isolates/eliminates squishy targets, and soaks up damage. Sounds like a tank's job to me...

Sure, he does more damage than a "conventional" tank, but at this point, there is no such thing. All tanks have a way to deal damage to ensure that they don't become irrelevant.

Also, with regard to the other champs I cited

All the champions you just listed are either -not a tank -have a tiny playrate -were part of the short period of time when there was a tank meta

Not even sure what the last point means, so I'll skip it. Literally every champ on here had at least a reasonable play rate. http://champion.gg/statistics/ Use that link. Some don't have very high play rate atm due to nerfs etc, but all were high playrate/winrate for a significant duration this season. Of the champs I listed, the following are listed as tank by riot: Hecarim, Amumu, Sejuani, Zac, and Volibear. Oh wait, that's all of em...Not sure where you're getting your info.

MarshbouyAug 27, 201613 votes

Interesting theory.

It's reality.

soaks up damage.

i seem to see more hecarims jumping on the enemy ADC than you know what. no. you are an idiot. i refuse to talk to you.

Sahn UzalAug 27, 20166 votes

Supporting OP Here.

MarshbouyAug 27, 20164 votes

As in me? if so thank you.

Sahn UzalAug 27, 20163 votes

You're welcome :^)

MonkeyMadnessAug 27, 20161 votes

Good job at addressing fewer than half my points. Hecarim and all the champs I listed are considered tanks by riot's standards, and are played as tanks in the current meta. Literally all of them. To deny this is factually incorrect. And your refusal to to see this proves that it is not I who is the idiot.

MarshbouyAug 27, 201610 votes

I didn't answer them because they weren't worth answering. I'm not an idiot, you are. I can't begin to explain why either, you wouldn't understand either.

listed are considered tanks by riot's standards

Volibear

you are hilarious.

MonkeyMadnessAug 27, 20162 votes

Fact: I'm Plat and I main tank junglers. You are Silver, and you main fkin teemo. I clearly have more experience on this topic than you, so please just stop. I normally hate to pull rank, but people as toxic as you need to be put in their place.

also

listed are considered tanks by riot's standards

Volibear

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Volibear Dat secondary role...

MarshbouyAug 27, 20168 votes

people as toxic as you need to be put in their place.

You are a very funny man.

Juggernauts

Nasus Darius Mordekaiser Illaoi Trundle Olaf Garen Shyvana Udyr Dr. Mundo Volibear Yorick

taken directly from http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list by riot stattik. I think that outclasses your "wiki"

MonkeyMadnessAug 27, 20161 votes

Interesting theory again. Please take a screenshot of anything in the client that refers to these champions' roles as "juggernaut". Oh wait, you can't because no such classification exists.

Also, hate to break it to you, but League follows the same holy trinity class system as any conventional mmo. You have supports (and/or healers), dps, and tanks. Obviously these categories are broad and have many specializations, but every champ in the game falls into one of these three categories by design. Juggernauts fall very obviously into the tank class. The link you gave me is even called "subclass list". Your own evidence serves to contradict you, yet you continue insisting upon your correctness.

MarshbouyAug 27, 20169 votes

I'm finding it really hard to respond to this because it is making me laugh so hard.

Interesting theory again. Please take a screenshot of anything in the client that refers to these champions' roles as "juggernaut". Oh wait, you can't because no such classification exists.

did you really just dismiss my official riot data by saying "it's not in the client". That's silly.

Also, hate to break it to you, but League follows the same holy trinity class system as any conventional mmo. You have supports (and/or healers), dps, and tanks. Obviously these categories are broad and have many specializations, but every champ in the game falls into one of these three categories by design. Juggernauts fall very obviously into the tank class.

You are correct, but by calling juggernauts "tanks" is ridiculous, that's why they are referred to as subclasses. if you call Volibear a tank (high damage low CC) you are naturally comparing it to Nautilus (low damage very very high CC) which is ridiculous.

AdriqnoheeAug 27, 20161 votes

"Tanky damage dealers" AKA bruisers.

MonkeyMadnessAug 27, 20161 votes

Ya but you are kidding yourself if you think tank yasuo and tank ekko build bruiser. They can pretty much go full tank and abuse base damage and keystones. A bruiser is a champ like wukong that usually builds 2 or 3 damage items and a couple tanky items and relies in innate survivablity.

AdriqnoheeAug 27, 20163 votes

A character is not defined as a bruiser based on his items, what defines its classification is the play style that the champion presents, bruisers are off-tanks damage dealers whose job can range from initiator to divers and each champion can build it their own way to accomplish said goals, which is why you have Wukong building mostly full damage and Hecarim with a single trinity force doing the exact same thing (jumping on the back line and disrupting them, while also being capable of starting fights on their own), then you have champions like Irelia, Olaf and Vladimir, whose job is to follow up on a engage to eliminate high threat targets, and while the 3 of them do the same thing, Irelia accomplishes it with a single trinity force, while Olaf doesn't even need a single damaging item and Vladimir is building Ap, so no Yasuo and Ekko are not tanks, they are bruisers that require very few damaging items to be effective, (Yasuo is arguable since his core items are phantom dancer and frozen mallet, two very combat focused items), if you consider Ekko a tank just because of his build, then you should also include Irelia on that list, because their build path is extremely similar. There are no "tank" items in the game, there are only offensive items, defensive items and utility items.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 27, 20168 votes

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I agree people are misusing the word "tank". Yasuo with tank items is not a tank. It's just op (ty keystone masteries).

HOWEVER, we are absolutely in a tank meta. Look at the highest winrate junglers for this season: Hecarim, Amumu, Sejuani, Zac, Skarner, Volibear. And in the toplane, maokai and malphite were pretty strong all season. And as for this bullshit tanksassin meta, while not true tanks, the meta was definitely shifted toward tanky damage dealers that could abuse the fervor and/or grasp of the undying keystone masteries.

OMG THANK YOU " keystone masteries " people keep crying about champs being op but no one wants to look at the damn mastery system that changed and it has the biggest impact.

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