[Discussion] Why Riot and We(community) can't accept the fact : "Jungle can finally carry a game"

XuWarrior·4/24/2014, 8:37:42 AM·1 votes·552 views

What I mean by that. at ForeCast I see "fighter junglers are too strong, that' why we don't see Tank junglers"So here i have few questions for discussion.

*Why we can't accept the fact , that Jungler can finally carry a game

*Why instead of nerf Fighter Junglers , buff TANK junglers

*Why again Riot want make from junglers 2nd supports ? Is it so bad that jungler can finally be STRONG . not that 2nd right after support ?

*Don't tell me junglers wreck ADC. I would say ADC have now items-wise problem.

My Personall opinin(maby im wrong) . Community not used to see Junglers can carry a game .

/discuss

3 Comments

Sir ArmaMalum4/24/2014, 12:09:20 PM2 votes

---I'm fine with junglers carrying a game, I am not fine, however, with junglers carrying a game solely because they farmed for 30 min. Any fighter in the jungler given a decent lead because of good ganks and counter jungling and overall skill should be able to carry a game and rightly so. They earned it. A fighter with Attack Speed steroid and reliable gap closer (Yi, Noct, Jax, etc.) that hasn't contributed except by running around in his own jungle and emerges ready to go 3v1 easily isn't a healthy interaction imho. Essentially I'm fine with junglers carrying, but I'm not fine with the key factor being time and not good play.

---See first paragraph

---I don't beleive junglers wreck adc's, I believe fighters wreck adc's as is their job. While marksman have been having a hard time recently I don't think it's a huge problem.

Hyrum Graff4/24/2014, 2:52:04 PM2 votes

*Why we can't accept the fact , that Jungler can finally carry a game

The issue here is that right now a jungler can -solo carry- the game. Yi can afk farm his jungle (and/or the enemy jungle) for 20 min, and then come out and 1v3. Since he can 1v3, it doesn't really matter if he's being a team player or not, and that is my problem. Junglers should be roughly equal in power to laners, IMO, not absurdly stronger than them.

*Why instead of nerf Fighter Junglers , buff TANK junglers

Because fighter junglers are too strong right now (see point above), and it's easier to nerf than buff.
I would, however, like to see tank jungler buffs (probably in itemization, not directly). Fighter junglers (well, FF) still need(s) a nerf, though.

*Why again Riot want make from junglers 2nd supports ? Is it so bad that jungler can finally be STRONG . not that 2nd right after support ?

I don't think Riot wants to do this. I think they want a variety of classes to be viable in the jungle, and currently fighters are so overpoweringly strong that if you didn't pick one it's basically GG in champ select.

*Don't tell me junglers wreck ADC. I would say ADC have now items-wise problem.

Junglers wreck everyone, adcs included.

My Personall opinin(maby im wrong) . Community not used to see Junglers can carry a game .

True, but I don't have a problem with a master yi in the jungle who's every bit as strong as master yi in lane. I have a problem when jungle yi can easily 1v1 lane yi. That matchup (jungle vs lane yi) should be decided based on who played better and got more fed, not the fact that jungle can build FF.

Marthian4/24/2014, 9:15:21 AM1 votes

on the first point, jungling is arguably pretty safe as long as you know what you are doing. You don't have to worry about pokes, all-ins, and in some cases, counter-jungling may put the enemy jungler at a disadvantage.

Some junglers do in fact, wreck ADCs, and can be tanky enough to not care. Shyvana and Vi can build tanky and still do a good chunk to adcs.