So Lee is "balanced" but Skarner gettin nerf ... yeah ofc it's fair (sarcasms on)

XuWarrior·7/1/2014, 8:50:15 PM·20 votes·1,246 views

It's not like i hate Lee or something . But for avarage player like me it has no SENSE . Lee can shut down most junglers now and he staying un-touched. Mean While you can kite skarner forver ever and he gettin nerf.

I would like to get deep explain WHY !?

They have the same speed clear . Lee is more moblie , brings alot utility + DMG . Skarner the same.. uhh

22 Comments

XuWarrior7/2/2014, 2:30:40 PM6 votes

Fnatic Cyanide quoute "There are three superior junglers in competitive LoL for months now and Riot nerfs Skarner ._."

Earl Eulrich7/1/2014, 10:20:49 PM5 votes

the sad truth is...noone (or at least only very few) will cry about a skarner nerf - while a Lee Nerf gets followed by ~10million "Lee Sin Mains" complaining. It´s all about politics, no reasoning involved at all.

Flemman7/1/2014, 9:11:42 PM3 votes

I think lee is the "renekton for jungle" in riot eyes (or something like that) so they don't touch him.

But, again, today lcs result where he was in 4 of the 5 wining comps, show us that riot really need to do something quickly to buff the other without buffing him too (cause he is now on a nidalee/kassadin level before rework :s)

The Red Warden7/1/2014, 9:29:40 PM3 votes

I still don't see why one of the most mobile characters in game gets that much damage, while having great sustain, durabity, and disables/displacement abilities. It just seems like his kit has everything a champion could ever need.

XuWarrior7/1/2014, 9:47:05 PM3 votes

" When we made changes to Skarner back in patch 4.10, we had to tune down some of his offensive power in favor of his sticky Skarner-ness. Now that the loneliest scorpion has made his way to the live game, we're seeing he's still doing a lot of damage on top of his disruptive play so we're dialing him back just a bit.

Q - Crystal Slash

PHYSICAL DAMAGE 20/32/44/56/68 ⇒ 18/28/38/48/58

BONUS MAGIC DAMAGE 20/32/44/56/68 ⇒ 18/28/38/48/58

BONUS MOVEMENT SPEED +3/4/5/6/7% per stack of Crystal Energy ⇒ +2/3/4/5/6% per stack of Crystal Energy "

MeanWhile Lee doing all better

Cerbearus7/1/2014, 8:47:11 PM2 votes

well considering Skarner's win rate is 53-55% and Lee's is 46-48%...

Oaklen7/2/2014, 12:12:07 AM2 votes

No idea, maybe they are scared because so many high end players got there via Lee Sin, and don't want to anger their top players?

Flagrock7/2/2014, 8:49:53 PM1 votes

The reason why everyone complains about lee sin is the reason everyone complains about Lucian and Renek. They are the safe picks. It's as simple as that. Cry all you want, but every single role has the "safe" champion that is going to be average at everything. The reason why everyone complains about Lee Sin, is there is NO comp that he's terrible at. People might say this is "bad" balance, but let's take a step back.

The issue is not champions being a "jack of all trades" in the specific role like Renek, Lucian, or Lee, the issue is they do everything decent to strong. It's enjoyable to play a safe champ like Lucian because he has everything, but with having everything he needs to do everything WEAKER than the other champs. People complain about Lee Sin being "op" and having everything, yet Elise has a similar kit and no one whines about her...

tl;dr: Lee Sin isn't op, he's just a safe pick because of his kit. Stop hating on champions with well rounded kits and hate on the fact that other champions aren't better balanced in their niches.

deadlychuck7/15/2014, 1:24:12 AM1 votes

I say screw it, take Lee Sin's energy away. Give him Focus or Chi, he gains 20 resource on hit but it's permanent. Activating a skill gives him 40% attack speed for two attacks still, but now he has 0 resource regen. If he wants to use skills he has to auto attack. He can still combo, but after comboing if he didn't use any attacks he runs out. His skill cap still stays pretty much the same, but he skill floor is then lowered. A bad Lee might actually run out of resource, but a good one will manage it and rarely run out.

If people want to complain about a lower skill floor then they can screw off, they are the people who ride on the back of an over loaded kit and don't deserve to actually be getting the wins they do.