[DEBATE] Would Nerfing Randuin's Omen Destroy this meta?

ChaosThief·May 25, 2014·1 votes·763 views

Hey all, I'm kind of a rookie, but I do have some reasons for this.

First off: is built on pretty much EVERYONE. It is a staple item to deal with anyone who is AD, especially basic attackers. 3000 cost may seem like a lot, but it really doesn't look like a ton. It gets 70 armor (15-25% damage loss(?) on physical attackers) and 500 health. It basically can turn most champions into a tank, and make them anti AD.

Am I correct or wrong?

From what I can tell, every tank gets . From what I can tell, early game this item alone makes anyone without a or do almost no damage, then they proceed to get full damage. Because of this, it appears they can't be killed and hurt like hell. Even some diamond players who stream and make youtube videos(sp4zie for example) would get this item as tankiness on someone like and proceed to do tons of damage.

Is this good or bad?

Finally, is this affected by certain champions who have received play in recent LCS matches? and have been played a lot in LCS, and because of this even in silver matches I run into a ton of .

Are these champions influencing the meta at all?

Finally, is there any other items that have a similar effect? is the closest I can think of, but that is for MR, and it doesn't give nearly as much.

I'm not very professional with this, but this is a debate. What are your thoughts on the state on this item? Is it in the right spot or in the wrong? Should all AD champions be forced to rush % armor pen because of this item? Why or why not?

I would like honest and actual opinions. Some perspective and logic behind every statement, not just "you're wrong because you're in silver, you can't talk" or anything like that. Give information to back it up.

7 Comments

WorgslargMay 26, 20141 votes

item 3068 is the closest imo, as it grants armor( much less, but still), and health.

I personally think it is not op, rather the other tank items like item 3065 item 3102

It is a staple for armor because of its high armor value, and decent hp value. For many fighters, it provides a valuable slow, and good slot value. if you are fitting one defensive item in a build, it is the perfect item.

ChaosThiefMay 26, 20141 votes

It seems OP because every opponent I play against uses it when playing anything but adc/mages, and if you don't have damage you don't do damage to the one holding this. It becomes frustrating because you need to rush armor pen, which is said to be a huge mistake.

Dax AyrtonMay 26, 20142 votes

Maybe not "OP", but it's wrong that it is chosen almost 100% of the time. The other two alternatives, Sunfire Cape and Frozen Heart, are rarely picked. In my opinion, each item should be situational, so that there should always be a scenario in which you would choose one.

: This should be picked more often for tanks that rely heavily on their abilities and have high Mana costs.
: This should be for that tank that needs a little extra damage and pushing potential.
: Finally, the Omen should be picked when there is a team with a fed ADC, or when there is more than one champ that relies on Attack Speed.

The problem is that no matter what situation the tank finds himself in, he'll choose Randuin's Omen nine times out of ten. With the nerf to Sunfire's damage, and the lack of health from Frozen Heart, and the powerful Movement Speed slow that comes with Omen, there really aren't a lot of reasons one would pick one of the other two.

I think we should remove Warden's Mail from Frozen Heart's recipe, and add a Giant's Belt, and buffing Sunfire Cape's damage. This would make each "niche" for each item more pronounced, and would make this option more meaningful.

Bubble Butt LuluMay 26, 20141 votes

In my elo range (plat) someone buys a SunfireCape almost every game. I personally don't have a problem with any of these items or think they are too strong. Frozen heart is good on certain champions like Ryze or good if the enemy is stacking attack speed.

ChaosThiefMay 27, 20141 votes

Seems easier to deal with if you ask me personally, I'm just sick of all the item 3143 I see. Sunfire is the second most picked, but mainly on characters it compliments, like Amumu or Renekton . There are some who pick it for being in the enemies' face though.

ProfDrDeathMay 27, 20141 votes

Randuin's problem is one that has to do with it having both high values for its resistance and its HP, as well as possessing the single strongest utility effect (AoE CC whose duration scales on tankiness). With that, it is like tailor-made for champions who only need those two stats (manaless champions) and who need to compensate for one of their supposed weaknesses (again, manaless champions, who are supposed to have less AoE lockdown CC).

I am of the opinion that Randuin's could use a change, like one or more of these:

Replace with and :
Adjusting the stats accordingly. This would make it stronger in its intended niche (anti-physical), but weaker as a general-purpose item. Would still leave the problem with the strong utility for manaless users.
Replace with :
Makes manaless users sacrifice a bit of gold-efficiency on a stat not useful for them, as well as weakening its general effectiveness. Would probably require the creation of another Armor/HP item (or changes in an existing one, like ?)
Increase cost:
Brute-force solution. Simply making it less attractive to buy (although I am not sure this would solve much.