Riot STILL hasn't released an official statement about PAX

Auroramancer·Sep 18, 2018·96 votes·16,544 views

For all the fuss we made, it seemed to die out after DZK was fired. DZK getting fired wasn't the main goal, it was for Riot to own up.

They still haven't.

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CLG earSep 18, 201850 votes

they said they stand by how they handled pax

anyone expecting them to make another statement to the contrary needs to get real

AuroramancerSep 18, 20181 votes

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they said they stand by how they handled pax

anyone expecting them to make another statement to the contrary needs to get real

I haven't seen their statement regarding this, or official confirmation that they stand by what they did.

Do you have a source for me to see for myself?

CLG earSep 18, 20182 votes

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I haven't seen their statement regarding this, or official confirmation that they stand by what they did.

Do you have a source for me to see for myself?

https://twitter.com/riotgames/status/1036057521675329538

AkaashSep 18, 201845 votes

Their official statement was Pax was justified. Rioters flaming manbabies was not.

Blackii7Sep 18, 201812 votes

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Their official statement was Pax was justified. Rioters flaming manbabies was not.

The actions were not. It is that simple.

rtbf221651412Sep 18, 201811 votes

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Their official statement was Pax was justified. **Rioters flaming manbabies was not. **

Yet one of the women (Froskurin) flaming passive aggressively while working for Riot is clearly still working there. Yet, nobody wants to touch that. Their words mean nothing if they play favorites.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9c3b25/froskurinns_thoughts_on_the_reddit_communitys/

TwitchInMyPantsSep 18, 20182 votes

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**

Yet one of the women (Froskurin) flaming passive aggressively while working for Riot is clearly still working there. Yet, nobody wants to touch that. Their words mean nothing if they play favorites.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9c3b25/froskurinns_thoughts_on_the_reddit_communitys/

Yeah blatantly calling everyone sexist for having a criticism of Riot and saying white men are awful when pretty much everyone in the esports community she works with is a white man or asian man or some kind of other white woman is pretty ironic

Those "sexist" white men are why you have a job and are everyone's voice into what happens in Chinese esports

AuroramancerSep 18, 20181 votes

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Their official statement was Pax was justified. Rioters flaming manbabies was not.

I haven't seen the official statement. Can you provide source?

Warlord RhinarkSep 18, 201828 votes

Combating sexism with sexism is great.

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[sg-ezreal]

SaibboSep 18, 20182 votes

what the hell dude!? It's not sexism if it's against men!! check your privileges [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Worst Brad JapanSep 18, 20184 votes

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what the hell dude!? It's not sexism if it's against men!! check your privileges [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Yeah but Riot also stopped gay and black guys from entering the event. That's clearly homophonic and racist

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/022/138/ollesafeee.jpg

The OasisSep 18, 20186 votes

It's been 6 years and I'm STILL waiting to hear why they fire Riot Nasus! We deserve and DEMAND answers!

HutchSep 18, 20186 votes

Hey, if they want a game without men, let them have it. There are plenty of other companies that won't discriminate against me because of the biology I was born with.

Quiet DudeSep 18, 20185 votes

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Hey, if they want a game without men, let them have it. There are plenty of other companies that won't discriminate against me because of the biology I was born with.

Realistically, would any company notice you were gone?

The VolcanoSep 18, 20182 votes

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Realistically, would any company notice you were gone?

A small indie company would.

IAintDariusSep 18, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9OmykgZE,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-09-18T15:29:52.836+0000)

Realistically, would any company notice you were gone?

Man you really love trying to belittle others out of butthurt

Quiet DudeSep 18, 20183 votes

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Man you really love trying to belittle others out of butthurt

It was honest question. Someone says they arent coming back, do companies really notice? Used to work at an Apple Store in my early twenties. People would get mad and say they wont come back. Its like, what are they trying to accomplish? What impact does that make? Has it had any? What ego makes them think they are so important that their lack of business will have any effect? But sure, you can read butthurt in my comment if you want. But I think you kind of know I'm right. Maybe that stings most of all. Is you don't like the comment I made, but its worse when you know I'm actually right.

To me, that sounds like True Butthurt- related to true damage and true stealth

ArakadiaSep 19, 20183 votes

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Hey, if they want a game without men, let them have it. There are plenty of other companies that won't discriminate against me because of the biology I was born with.

You are severely misunderstanding the purpose of that Pax room if you think Riot wants a game without men.

HutchSep 19, 20182 votes

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You are severely misunderstanding the purpose of that Pax room if you think Riot wants a game without men.

"You are severely misunderstanding the purpose of that "Whites Only Water Fountain" if you think Democrats want a country without people of color."

Prejudice takes many forms, and almost always tries to defend itself with the same arguments. Sexism, like racism, is wrong, PERIOD.

MadNoffSep 18, 20186 votes

The modern SJW era is confusing for everyone, even RIOT. Everyone just rolls the die and hope they got it right.

Nonetheless, I agree that what RIOT was fighting was not sexism. You can not fight sexism by being sexist, its counter-intuitive.

Had they simply stated that they want more women working at RIOT so they would be having a female-geared panel, everything would've been fine and dandy. Most guys wouldn't bother attending, most people aren't idiots.

But RIOT in their naive, knee-jerk reaction decided to make a spectacle out of banning men...in hopes of seeming "inclusive".

In the end, they just looked clumsy.

Now they dig their heels in the ground and refuse to budge, in some last-ditch attempt to delude themselves into believing that the idiocy at PAX was in the name of inclusivity. I hope they figure themselves out.

If I can offer some humble advice:

Having an inclusive organization will not happen overnight, nor will it happen in some grand transformation. It will be a slow process which will require RIOT to effectively champion the change both in its player base and internally. RIOT must grasp that inclusiveness does not mean one group gets excluded. You must include ALL groups in the organization while seeking to uplift the under-represented.

If you host a recruitment fair targeting women, don't exclude the other genders. If you recruit one man in that fair who is sensitive to the need for greater female representation in the organization then it's still a win for you. Your aim is not to increase the female body count, but rather to change the culture of your organization so that it embraces all genders.

Bael the RiserSep 19, 20181 votes

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Most guys wouldn't bother attending, most people aren't idiots.

Have you tried solo q on NA?[slayer-jinx-wink]

Busty DemonessSep 18, 20185 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/mF1384az-riot-if-you-will-not-apologize-for-pax

Relevant.

AirKingNeoSep 18, 20182 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/mF1384az-riot-if-you-will-not-apologize-for-pax

Relevant.

No, it isn't relevant. You're pulling a strawman argument.

Busty DemonessSep 18, 20182 votes

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No, it isn't relevant. You're pulling a strawman argument.

Riot said in this public statement that there would be no room for sexism in their company.

Riot pulled sexist exclusion at PAX.

Riot stood by their decision on sexist exclusion.

So either they flat out lied in their statement that was linked above, or they're so fucking stupid they believe sexism doesn't exist against men.

There's no two ways about it. They were hypocritical in their actions at PAX. So either they apologize or make a public statement saying "sexism against men doesn't exist" to indicate how freaking stupid they are. Being silent is equivalent to the latter.

AirKingNeoSep 18, 20183 votes

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Riot said in this public statement that there would be no room for sexism in their company.

Riot pulled sexist exclusion at PAX.

Riot stood by their decision on sexist exclusion.

So either they flat out lied in their statement that was linked above, or they're so fucking stupid they believe sexism doesn't exist against men.

There's no two ways about it. They were hypocritical in their actions at PAX. So either they apologize or make a public statement saying "sexism against men doesn't exist" to indicate how freaking stupid they are. Being silent is equivalent to the latter.

and that's precisely what I mean by strawman. You're saying they're sexist.

Busty DemonessSep 18, 20182 votes

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and that's precisely what I mean by strawman. You're saying they're sexist.

At what point did I claim they were sexist? I claimed their ACTIONS were sexist.

If they are going to do everything they can to eliminate sexism, they cannot be continuing (or starting) ANY sexist practices. Therefore, their actions at PAX were contradictory to their statement.

notFREEfoodSep 19, 20181 votes

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Riot said in this public statement that there would be no room for sexism in their company.

Riot pulled sexist exclusion at PAX.

Riot stood by their decision on sexist exclusion.

So either they flat out lied in their statement that was linked above, or they're so fucking stupid they believe sexism doesn't exist against men.

There's no two ways about it. They were hypocritical in their actions at PAX. So either they apologize or make a public statement saying "sexism against men doesn't exist" to indicate how freaking stupid they are. Being silent is equivalent to the latter.

Is it sexist to say that all male or all female environments have a different atmosphere than mixed-gender events?

Busty DemonessSep 19, 20183 votes

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Is it sexist to say that all male or all female environments have a different atmosphere than mixed-gender events?

No more than it is sexist to say that some fields will be more popular for one gender to partake in compared to the other.

You want more women in science, tech and engineering fields? Encourage them to do better than their male counterparts. Don't give them special treatment because then you're not hiring them for being better candidates.

notFREEfoodSep 19, 20181 votes

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No more than it is sexist to say that some fields will be more popular for one gender to partake in compared to the other.

You want more women in science, tech and engineering fields? Encourage them to do better than their male counterparts.

The backlash against the PAX event was because it was an opportunity only afforded to women/non-binary. If I go create a female-only scholarchip for computer science majors, wouldn't that be effectively the same thing? How do you simultaneously encourage women to enter a field that they are underrepresented in without creating opportunities that are just open to women?

Don't give them special treatment because then you're not hiring them for being better candidates.

But Riot wasn't doing this. In fact if you want to hire more female candidates then the correct way to do this is to increase the number of female applicants, which is exactly what Riot was trying to do with this event.

A lot of the anger being directed at Riot I feel is just blind rage. The talks, really the only things that were limited to women only, were focused around trying to get women excited about coming to work for Riot. They weren't meant for a general audience. Before PAX, Riot had already said that they would find a way to accommodate men wishing to get their resume reviewed (and from what I heard they stayed true to their word), and really that's the important part. Not being able to go to the talks sucks, but really, that's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. If Riot wants to do their part to correct the gender imbalance in the industry, then some level of exclusion would be needed. Calling Riot sexist because you didn't like their event excludes you from the conversation about what is an appropriate level of exclusion.

Busty DemonessSep 19, 20183 votes

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The backlash against the PAX event was because it was an opportunity only afforded to women/non-binary. If I go create a female-only scholarchip for computer science majors, wouldn't that be effectively the same thing? How do you simultaneously encourage women to enter a field that they are underrepresented in without creating opportunities that are just open to women?

But Riot wasn't doing this. In fact if you want to hire more female candidates then the correct way to do this is to increase the number of female applicants, which is exactly what Riot was trying to do with this event.

A lot of the anger being directed at Riot I feel is just blind rage. The talks, really the only things that were limited to women only, were focused around trying to get women excited about coming to work for Riot. They weren't meant for a general audience. Before PAX, Riot had already said that they would find a way to accommodate men wishing to get their resume reviewed (and from what I heard they stayed true to their word), and really that's the important part. Not being able to go to the talks sucks, but really, that's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. If Riot wants to do their part to correct the gender imbalance in the industry, then some level of exclusion would be needed. Calling Riot sexist because you didn't like their event excludes you from the conversation about what is an appropriate level of exclusion.

I bolded the portions that are problematic. The problem with both of those is that they're on the idea base of "there's a gender imbalance that NEEDS corrected".

Some fields will attract more men than women and vice versa. That's natural and will happen no matter what. Pushing for a 40/60 balance in all of those is only going to cause problems when trying to hire people qualified for the job.

In regards to scholarships being male/female only: What about the scholarships for anyone? Did those suddenly disappear because we put up a bunch for only one gender? Are we taking away scholarships for everyone because not enough minorities are taking the extra ones?

Here's the fact many like to ignore: Even within the same demographic of race/gender, some will require more effort to be the most qualified candidate. The important part is that everyone has the ability to be the most qualified candidate, even if it means a little more work as an individual.

We don't need to exclude, ever. There is no imbalance that NEEDS corrected. It's like saying "we gotta get more boys into playing with Barbie Dolls". It's utterly stupid.

notFREEfoodSep 19, 20181 votes

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I bolded the portions that are problematic. The problem with both of those is that they're on the idea base of "there's a gender imbalance that NEEDS corrected".

Some fields will attract more men than women and vice versa. That's natural and will happen no matter what. Pushing for a 40/60 balance in all of those is only going to cause problems when trying to hire people qualified for the job.

In regards to scholarships being male/female only: What about the scholarships for anyone? Did those suddenly disappear because we put up a bunch for only one gender? Are we taking away scholarships for everyone because not enough minorities are taking the extra ones?

Here's the fact many like to ignore: Even within the same demographic of race/gender, some will require more effort to be the most qualified candidate. The important part is that everyone has the ability to be the most qualified candidate, even if it means a little more work as an individual.

We don't need to exclude, ever. There is no imbalance that NEEDS corrected. It's like saying "we gotta get more boys into playing with Barbie Dolls". It's utterly stupid.

And thus you show your true colors.

Some fields will attract more men than women and vice versa. That's natural and will happen no matter what.

This right here is sexist. The vast majority of jobs are not inherently more or less attractive to a certain gender; it's that the jobs are dominated by one gender and thus get associated with that gender. Want to know why secretaries are typically female? It's because it was one of the few jobs that women were hired for. This image is then reinforced via media typically showing women as secretaries. So tech is something that females don't typically work in because it has become a stereotypically male job. That is a problem. In Riot's case, I would argue that it is vital that their lore and story teams have a healthy balance.

But you seem to be stuck on the idea that creating a more diverse workforce means you hire less qualified candidates. You could do that, or you just try to get more people with the background you want to apply, so that you can find a perfectly well-qualified candidate with your desired background traits. That's exactly what this event aimed to do.

Here's the fact many like to ignore: Even within the same demographic of race/gender, some will require more effort to be the most qualified candidate. The important part is that everyone has the ability to be the most qualified candidate, even if it means a little more work as an individual.

So Riot didn't take anything away from you with this event either. It wasn't even announced until after ticket sales were closed and the announcement said that it was specifically aimed at females and non-binary. How is this any different than a scholarship only open to women?

Gendered scholarships aren't a new thing, so they don't activate your knee-jerk response, but they're really no different than what Riot did with a gendered recruiting event.

At the crux of the issue is that you have a fundamental disagreement with Riot about the need to have a more diverse workforce, not that the event was limited to women only. You're just hiding behind the banner of "Riot's discriminating against men" in order to hide your less palatable opinions.

Busty DemonessSep 19, 20182 votes

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And thus you show your true colors.

This right here is sexist. The vast majority of jobs are not inherently more or less attractive to a certain gender; it's that the jobs are dominated by one gender and thus get associated with that gender. Want to know why secretaries are typically female? It's because it was one of the few jobs that women were hired for. This image is then reinforced via media typically showing women as secretaries. So tech is something that females don't typically work in because it has become a stereotypically male job. That is a problem. In Riot's case, I would argue that it is vital that their lore and story teams have a healthy balance.

Okay. So why do we not have tons of people advocating for women in construction or mining? Oh, wait, that doesn't fit your narrative.

You're also showing a severe lack of knowledge regarding "dominated". "Dominated" means that the group that is most popular within the field is actively pushing out all other groups. Wait, that's illegal. So there is no field that's truly "dominated" by anything.

But you seem to be stuck on the idea that creating a more diverse workforce means you hire less qualified candidates. You could do that, or you just try to get more people with the background you want to apply, so that you can find a perfectly well-qualified candidate with your desired background traits. That's exactly what this event aimed to do.

No, you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying regarding hiring for diversity before qualifications.

There are plenty of cases where minorities were hired because they were minorities, not because they were more qualified. That is unfair to those who did more to qualify themselves for the job.

In other words, you should hire the most qualified person. If that happens to be a minority, so be it. If a lesbian black woman is the most qualified tech person applying for the job, HIRE HER!

So Riot didn't take anything away from you with this event either. It wasn't even announced until after ticket sales were closed and the announcement said that it was specifically aimed at females and non-binary. How is this any different than a scholarship only open to women?

Gendered scholarships aren't a new thing, so they don't activate your knee-jerk response, but they're really no different than what Riot did with a gendered recruiting event.

Because unlike Scholarships, which still have options for everyone else, Riot didn't provide any. Additionally, even if they promised PAX that men would have a chance, it still doesn't appear that way.

At the crux of the issue is that you have a fundamental disagreement with Riot about the need to have a more diverse workforce, not that the event was limited to women only. You're just hiding behind the banner of "Riot's discriminating against men" in order to hide your less palatable opinions.

There is never a NEED for diversity. Diversity is something you and many others are putting ahead of "being the best applicant/worker". In other words, you're suggesting hiring should go towards diversity before qualification. All that does is cheat out those who legitimately earned their qualifications. You would be the type of person to pass up a veteran tech with loads of the experience you wanted for a fresh out of school student who couldn't code his way out of a paper bag because said student filled minority quotas.

notFREEfoodSep 20, 20181 votes

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Okay. So why do we not have tons of people advocating for women in construction or mining? Oh, wait, that doesn't fit your narrative.

You're also showing a severe lack of knowledge regarding "dominated". "Dominated" means that the group that is most popular within the field is actively pushing out all other groups. Wait, that's illegal. So there is no field that's truly "dominated" by anything.

No, you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying regarding hiring for diversity before qualifications.

There are plenty of cases where minorities were hired because they were minorities, not because they were more qualified. That is unfair to those who did more to qualify themselves for the job.

In other words, you should hire the most qualified person. If that happens to be a minority, so be it. If a lesbian black woman is the most qualified tech person applying for the job, HIRE HER!

Because unlike Scholarships, which still have options for everyone else, Riot didn't provide any. Additionally, even if they promised PAX that men would have a chance, it still doesn't appear that way.

There is never a NEED for diversity. Diversity is something you and many others are putting ahead of "being the best applicant/worker". In other words, you're suggesting hiring should go towards diversity before qualification. All that does is cheat out those who legitimately earned their qualifications. You would be the type of person to pass up a veteran tech with loads of the experience you wanted for a fresh out of school student who couldn't code his way out of a paper bag because said student filled minority quotas.

Quite frankly, you're rude.

You deliberately set up strawmen and misconstrue my statements all in a vain effort to show that diversity is bad. You've continually asserted that diversity means you hire less qualified applicants and implied that Riot is trying to do precisely that, yet that's not what I've been saying. You don't need to hire random people off the street to meet a diversity quota. If you can make the diversity of your applicant pool match the mix that you'd like in your company, it will happen naturally, with every employee being fully qualified. I'm not here to change your mind, but rather give you insight into why Riot held the event and why what you're asking of Riot is something that they would see as running contrary to their values.

Just about the only thing that you got right is that I'm pushing a narrative, but that's everyone in this thread. You especially have decided to push the narrative that Riot greatly wronged men with this event. And I'm saying that if you truly feel wronged, then you either are just going off of your knee-jerk response or you fundamentally disagree with Riot on the value of diversity. I think it's pretty obvious where you fall.

Busty DemonessSep 20, 20182 votes

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Quite frankly, you're rude.

You deliberately set up strawmen and misconstrue my statements all in a vain effort to show that diversity is bad. You've continually asserted that diversity means you hire less qualified applicants and implied that Riot is trying to do precisely that, yet that's not what I've been saying. You don't need to hire random people off the street to meet a diversity quota. If you can make the diversity of your applicant pool match the mix that you'd like in your company, it will happen naturally, with every employee being fully qualified. I'm not here to change your mind, but rather give you insight into why Riot held the event and why what you're asking of Riot is something that they would see as running contrary to their values.

Just about the only thing that you got right is that I'm pushing a narrative, but that's everyone in this thread. You especially have decided to push the narrative that Riot greatly wronged men with this event. And I'm saying that if you truly feel wronged, then you either are just going off of your knee-jerk response or you fundamentally disagree with Riot on the value of diversity. I think it's pretty obvious where you fall.

Strawman? Misconstrued your statements?

You think it's sexist for some things to be more popular for men than women and vice versa. Did you not read the line about pushing for boys to play with Barbie Dolls? Do you think that Mattel needs to push for boys to play with Barbie dolls because "girls dominate the market for them"? If anyone is using a strawman here, it's you. What I was getting at is forced diversity being a problem, not diversity itself. I don't see you advocating for more female construction workers and miners even though men "dominate" those industries.

I'm fully aware of Riot's intentions within their choices. That does not change that their actions were extremely contradictory to a public apology where they said they'd do better and completely exclude sexism. Not "sexism against women", but sexism. Their actions and choices are contrary to the values they said they'd uphold and it's black and white that they're holding double standards on all of this.

You've continually misused words that are not only improper for the context but for the sole purpose of attempting to make an attack on me. You've made piss poor arguments that deflect from the underlying point I've made because you're either choosing to ignore it or simply not seeing it. I think you need to seriously reevaluate the logical processes you're using because this is the sort of mental gymnastics that leads to decisions like Riot's.

Dr PoroSep 18, 20184 votes

Lifehack: just say that you're non-binary and you can get into the room. No one knows you're lying because they can't assume your gender.

KFCeytronSep 21, 20181 votes

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Lifehack: just say that you're non-binary and you can get into the room. No one knows you're lying because they can't assume your gender.

Also known as "being in the closet."

RanmaruSep 19, 20183 votes

I agreed with it at first, But now it's just to the point of upvote farming

AuroramancerSep 20, 20181 votes

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I agreed with it at first, But now it's just to the point of upvote farming

Meh.

Idgaf about upvotes, they aren't currency, I'm not validated by them, I was more just posting to gauge where the rest of the community was on this issue.

Colonel JSep 19, 20183 votes

They don't need to.

AuroramancerSep 20, 20181 votes

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They don't need to.

Ah yes, a company need not release a statement about a sexist practice they implemented with regard to career development workshops,

How tolerant of you.

Ash LockheartSep 18, 20182 votes

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For all the fuss we made, it seemed to die out after DZK was fired. DZK getting fired wasn't the main goal, it was for Riot to own up.

They still haven't.

Why would you think a company making Millions a year is going to care about your feelings? They only react to losing money, not from people posting complaints. If you can get there core audience to not spend anymore time and money on there game then you will get a response, but if your just going to post then no one is going to care.

Linna ExcelSep 18, 20182 votes

Riot is happy to be breaking the letter of the law because they know they'll get away with it. Excluding people based on their gender is not cool. Frankly I don't care what the genetic make-up of riot is averaging, as long as they do a good job and not treat people poorly.

Oohaha SharkbaitSep 18, 20181 votes

What happened lol?

CeazaruSep 18, 20181 votes

They're not going to. They pretty much informed us that they support their exclusionary practices at PAX. The only reason reason they got rid of DZK is because He went to far with the Suicide joke to them.

2nd ChanceSep 19, 20181 votes

The angry mob tunnel focused on DZK until he got fired, so both they're ignorantly happy from the issues that lead to that and Riot solves the issue without having to do much damage control

All while leaving loose ends like this ignored

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