Encouraging suicide should always be an INSTANT ban

Auroramancer·Nov 14, 2016·221 votes·7,390 views

There is no excuse for a player to have any leniency after they tell a player "kys" or "kill yourself".

That should, always, no matter what, be an instant 2-week ban.

None of this "players who say this are usually caught eventually with other, more frequent toxic behaviors" bullshit.

No excuses. As soon as it happens, ban them.

Riot, you want your playerbase to take your Player Behavior and Moderation systems seriously, but you don't have zero tolerance policies for these kinds of messages and behaviors.

As of right now, encouraging suicide is not an instant ban, and that shows Riot does NOT have a zero tolerance policy regarding it.

Shameful.

309 Comments

KalariaNov 14, 201650 votes

At the risk of being downvoted to hell... I completely agree, a person that is depressed playing a game to cheer themselves up or trying to distract themselves and then gets told something like that can very well make them so much worse at least temporarily. (source I have depression myself) When I'm feeling depressed negative stuff always makes things worse. Yes you can mute them, but thing is if they have already said that, you have that stuck in your head now. Play with friends? Hope you have 4 friends, and if you're lucky enough to there's always the enemy team if you have /all chat on.

There is NO reason to ever tell someone that.

MuddafragotNov 14, 20165 votes

Aren't you just a saint, 'risking' downvotes.

KalariaNov 14, 20162 votes

Definitely not a saint, but If I get downvotes people can't see the depression side of the story =/ perhaps that the wrong way to phrase that

hunterspecNov 14, 201610 votes

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At the risk of being downvoted to hell... I completely agree, a person that is depressed playing a game to cheer themselves up or trying to distract themselves and then gets told something like that can very well make them so much worse at least temporarily. (source I have depression myself) When I'm feeling depressed negative stuff always makes things worse. Yes you can mute them, but thing is if they have already said that, you have that stuck in your head now. Play with friends? Hope you have 4 friends, and if you're lucky enough to there's always the enemy team if you have /all chat on.

There is NO reason to ever tell someone that.

i have depression, never killed myself over someone saying kys to me. bullshit

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 201622 votes

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i have depression, never killed myself over someone saying kys to me. bullshit

We can tell. Doesn't make it okay to do however.

hunterspecNov 14, 20164 votes

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We can tell. Doesn't make it okay to do however.

like I've said before:

I can tell someone irl to kys, won't get in trouble
give me one time someone killed themselves over someone saying "kys" in league.

you can't.

and ironically a guy got really pissed on the other team and told me and some other teammates to kill themselves. highly doubt any of us are going to....

LauchmelderNov 14, 201611 votes

A few weeks ago a brazilian teen strangled himself as punishment because his "friends" told him to after they lost a game.

Recent enough?

hunterspecNov 14, 20163 votes

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A few weeks ago a brazilian teen strangled himself as punishment because his "friends" told him to after they lost a game.

Recent enough?

proof? was this in league? is he dead?

JonxxNov 14, 20164 votes

He must've meant this.

http://www.riftherald.com/2016/10/18/13318870/accidental-death-brazil-league-of-legends

hunterspecNov 14, 20167 votes

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He must've meant this.

http://www.riftherald.com/2016/10/18/13318870/accidental-death-brazil-league-of-legends

"it seems that the group of friends would routinely pressure each other into choking themselves on webcam if they were to blame for the loss"

100% different from what I asked for but it was a nice try though.

and sorry but you are a fucking idiot if you think "choking yourself" is a good idea.

LauchmelderNov 14, 20168 votes

True, it's done by Idiots and isn't as direct. Now guess what happens if those guys would have said something like "kys".

VilliersNov 14, 20163 votes

That was his real life friends and it's no different than these idiotic 'challenges' people feel the need to create and spread through facebook and youtube. I'm sure they do stupid teenage shit over any game not just League, so that's pretty irrelevant.

i.e. Cinnamon challenge, passout challenge, drinking challenge, boiling water challenge, the fire challenge, the fainting challenge, the blood challenge, the poop challenge, or what was theirs called.. "The choking game" rofl. Anyone who succumbs to idiotic stunts just because it has the word challenge included in it deserves what's coming to them, and it was NOT a result of someone online saying kys.

SchoenbergNov 14, 20166 votes

Anyone who partakes in challenges such as the Cinnamon challenge has natural selection coming their way. Aside from this, harmless challenges are entirely fine and I do not go as far to call people idiots who do them unless they are based around some absurd topic... Like holding a pen in between ones breasts or some shit which I believe was somewhat of a fad recently. Anyways, these challenges rarely have any safety about them from what I have seen although it does make some people happy for whatever reason.

DeathBot666Nov 14, 20162 votes

I'm sorry his death isn't good enough for you. Maybe next time he'll wait until some random person tells him to KYS before doing it.

hunterspecNov 14, 20165 votes

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I'm sorry his death isn't good enough for you. Maybe next time he'll wait until some random person tells him to KYS before doing it.

no since he and his friends thought hanging themselves on webcam was a game, so no obviously it isn't.

DeathBot666Nov 14, 201611 votes

What kind of sick and twisted point of view is that? A kid is dead because someone told him to go hang himself after a game. So what if he wasn't trying to kill himself??? Who cares that his friends weren't being serious. Even if this case isn't good enough for you, there are plenty of people who are victims of cyberbullying. Just because this kid wasn't one of them doesn't mean the message is any less important. That kid is dead because someone on a video game told him to kill himself, and that kind of behaviour should NOT be tolerated.

PaladinNONov 15, 20167 votes

Your point? That it's okay to tell someone to kill themselves?

If some stranger said that to my face, he'd want to see the twitch in my shoulder, because a swing would come.

And those who find it acceptable to say that to someone over the internet should be removed instantly, because they have then excessively failed a very basic rule of social behaviour.

hunterspecNov 15, 20164 votes

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Your point? That it's okay to tell someone to kill themselves?

If some stranger said that to my face, he'd want to see the twitch in my shoulder, because a swing would come.

And those who find it acceptable to say that to someone over the internet should be removed instantly, because they have then excessively failed a very basic rule of social behaviour.

I believe you need to go to anger management if you are going to hit someone over that but feel free to since you'll be going to jail and he will NOT. LOL.

PaladinNONov 15, 20165 votes

We are all free to believe what we want, but that's not how it would work. A trip to the police station for a chat with the both of us, undoubtedly, but I wouldn't worry about jail. The term would be "unwarranted provocation". Worst case scenario would be a fine for either or both of us.

Luckily, I likely won't ever find out for sure, because here most people are well-raised and been given proper behavioral education by their parents. Meaning we don't go around randomly telling others to commit suicide.

hunterspecNov 15, 20163 votes

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We are all free to believe what we want, but that's not how it would work. A trip to the police station for a chat with the both of us, undoubtedly, but I wouldn't worry about jail. The term would be "unwarranted provocation". Worst case scenario would be a fine for either or both of us.

Luckily, I likely won't ever find out for sure, because here most people are well-raised and been given proper behavioral education by their parents. Meaning we don't go around randomly telling others to commit suicide.

a chat for punching someone in the face? lol. and he would pay a fine? for doing nothing against the law. lol. yeah ok dude, whatever you say.

PaladinNONov 15, 20168 votes

How nice of you to blatantly ignore the ethical point here.

I freely admit I don't know, because I've never been into that situation where I've felt the need to punch someone. Not where I've actually done it anyway. But if you think telling someone to commit suicide is perfectly legal and not against any law in any way, then it's not me who is misinformed.

EDIT: I actually did some googling on the matter: local law say fine or up to one year in prison for verbally offending someone, depending on severity and circumstances. I'd say telling someone to commit suicide is pretty severe, but that's ultimately not for me to judge.

Likely a fine for me and prison for him/her, if I were to guess. Though if the scenario ever happens, I'll let you be the first to know the outcome...

DemothHymsideNov 15, 20163 votes

It's hard to prove, and it greatly depends on where you are when it happens, and DA discretion. But if someone is provoking you, and you hit them, the law may exonerate you from wrong doing, depending on what was said and the circumstances.

IPromiseTomorrowNov 15, 20162 votes

Respect for what you said and did to express your thoughts.

Brain Errör 404Nov 14, 20164 votes

It's funny... the thing with clinical depression is some of them play the game (like myself) simply to waste time, even though there is no enjoyment there for me. At the same time, I find myself more frustrated than not, and normally get verbally abused. Due to my depression, I'm prone to extreme irritability and violent outbursts.

It's hard to control, which is why I try, as much as possible, to keep to myself off the in game chats. But the minute somebody attacks me, I get super defensive.

So I agree with you. Having any kind of negativity with a depressed person in your game is grounds for some serious destruction. You should always be careful what you say to people online as you don't know their frame of mind. If you have to say anything, anything at all, keep it all relative to the game and try to keep personal affairs out of it.

The amount of time people tells me I'm a failure at life and how much that really hurts me because of my depression, is too many to count.

CabruhNov 14, 201616 votes

You can't say people don't take that crap seriously. "kys" is usually accompanied by other hurtful comments and really is toxicity. I mean, league is like any other game. If it's that disrespectful to tell someone to kill themselves in a game of chess, sports, or anything else, it's disrespectful in league. Not saying all people take it seriously, but it really is offensive to a lot of players, and in essence, it can lead to more flaming.

If "kys" is found with any other hurtful comments, it really should be bannable. I hate players who think it's ok to just make it personal all of a sudden when we are playing a game that has nothing to do with real life.

bad arcade kittyNov 14, 201610 votes

that's just words nobody should be banned for words chat restriction is the proper punishment for verbal abuse

and yes, nobody takes that "kys" crap seriously anyway

p.s. sticks and stones etc, do they even teach that verse to children any more, so many pretending that their feelings were hurt around nowadays that it is barely tolerable

AuroramancerNov 14, 20168 votes

nobody should be banned for words

same argument can be made for any other words and phrases that are toxic. that argument also projects onto increasing punishment tiers. a chat restricted player who doesn't reform shouldn't be escalated to a ban, amirite? that's what your argument translates to

CowseedNov 14, 20164 votes

It's called the mute button son.

LeetriNov 14, 201612 votes

Unless you mute your entire team every single game right as the game starts, it's already too late. You don't tell someone who got shot to put on a bulletproof vest, do you?

Dominick DestineNov 14, 201610 votes

No.

The system is already incredibly draconian, it does not need to be more draconian no matter how badly you leftists/feminists want. Riot has drawn the line and (hopefully) the line will not be placed in a more extreme position.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 201620 votes

you leftists/feminists want

I did not know that only leftists and feminists wanted people to stop encouraging suicide.

Please tell us more.

Toru ItaiNov 14, 20164 votes

telling people to "kys" does not encourage suicide.

LeetriNov 14, 201624 votes

It literally means "kill yourself", how is that not encouraging the act of killing yourself?

Dominick DestineNov 14, 20162 votes

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I did know that only leftists and feminists wanted to control people's interactions/behavior

Yes, that is correct.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 201613 votes

But aren't you doing that right now by changing my quote?

Hmm?

Dominick DestineNov 14, 20161 votes

When you brazenly take something out of context, you open the door for me to correct you, justifiably so.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 20168 votes

M'kay.

But hear me out.

Your treatment of my "mistake", forcibly changing my quote so you can respond to it, is, how can I say it?

Draconian.

Towards the statement. You are being draconian. In a very draconian way.

Dominick DestineNov 14, 20161 votes

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Your treatment of my "mistake", accurately changing my quote so it is not misrepresented, is, how can I say it?

Correct.

I agree.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 201612 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=o0aFvbkj,comment-id=0004000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-14T16:25:48.515+0000)

Evelynn and the word Draconian are sexy.

Glad we understand each other. ;)

Dominick DestineNov 14, 20162 votes

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We understand each other.

That could legitimately be one of my actual posts so I cannot argue with it.

Evelynn and the word Draconian are sexy.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 14, 20168 votes

Explains why you main her.

Also put me on the hall of fame because you can't argue with something that I said.

President Swa1nNov 14, 20163 votes

Why is it so incredibly draconian to want people to stop encouraging suicide?

Dominick DestineNov 14, 20164 votes

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Why is it so incredibly draconian to want people to stop encouraging suicide?

Leftists/feminists believe that "HURT FEE FEES" is a valid argument. It is not. Libertarians/right wing philosophy posits that it is incorrect for authority to heavily regulate human interaction. The correct response to someone saying something you don't like is for you not to associate with that person (I.e. in this case: put them on ignore), not for authority to intervene as if adults were children and they were the nanny.

That being said; I will always follow Riot's summoner code, but that does not mean I cannot make comments disagreeing with the hyper draconian system they have implemented.

President Swa1nNov 15, 20165 votes

Firstly, neither leftists and feminists nor libertarians and right wingers are inherently the same group of people.

Secondly, one does not 'associate themselves' with another when reading a message someone has sent to them. It is out of their control whether that person says it to them or not. Many people on the verge of suicide can be triggered by something as small as a 'kys' or general negativity. It is an emotional issue.

This brings me to the next point: it IS possible to get hurt emotionally. As much as you disagree with it, people get hurt emotionally and, surprise, it doesn't feel good. It hurts. People can get hurt by words.

Dominick DestineNov 15, 20162 votes

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neither leftists and feminists nor libertarians and right wingers are inherently the same group of people.

Irrelevant.

The argument is ideological and reality does not bend to your emotion.

one does not 'associate themselves' with another when reading a message

Except when you realize you can put people on ignore.

You remember that part, right?

This brings me to the next point: it IS possible to get hurt emotionally

"Hurt Fee Fees" is not an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXiAayQ8KRA You = Teemo.

People can get hurt by words.

What was that thing about sticks and stones? the last part? uhhh Oh yeah, words will never hurt me.

Even children know this.

President Swa1nNov 15, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=o0aFvbkj,comment-id=00040003000000010000,timestamp=2016-11-15T01:32:14.954+0000) What was that thing about sticks and stones? the last part? uhhh Oh yeah, words will never hurt me.

Even children know this.

Are others not hurt by words? You may not be, you may not think people should be, you may not think people are, but they are and if it is a common thing to be emotionally hurt by something people should not do it.

Dominick DestineNov 15, 20161 votes

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Are others not hurt by words?

If someone is mentally ill sure, but punishing everyone else because of the mentally ill is nonsense. Just put the guy on ignore and play the game which is the whole point.

You are a leftist/feminist so you are obsessed with draconian systems. Libertarian/right wing philosphy is your diametric opposite. The desire for authority to hyper regulate human interaction is a disgusting concept.

President Swa1nNov 15, 20164 votes

Calling those that take offense from offensive statements 'mentally ill' is quite ignorant. If what you say is true, what is the name of the mental illness that these people have? And would you agree that the majority of people are mentally ill in that case? And if so, wouldn't mental illness be normalized, and thus NOT be classified as an illness, but a regularity?

I am a leftist, but again, I don't see how it's 'hyper regulation' to stop people from offending each other and telling each other to kill themselves.

Noam BraumskyNov 15, 20166 votes

Where does the summoner's code state that encouraging one to end their existence is not an offense? I'd love to see it.

DenimistNov 14, 201610 votes

i once remember one of my teammates (ashe ) saying i will kms i am so bad at everything,and i wrote "dont do that i love you" then she wrote the dialogue to /all chat... boy that was the most honors i got in a single game .

and i agree, any form of "kys" excluding "get executed before rengar kills you" should be an instant 1/2 days ban, or at lleast a punishment